VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 FinalA2] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Rowszix]

It is either a bug or an hidden variable but if you have bflagdomone the scene don t trigger even if you are k9 with enough exec

I actually just checked the code for the label that is triggered after the Veronica conversation and it checks if nodartgame or bflagdomone are true and when yes it skips the harem scene. So its no hidden variable. I guess the conversation with Veronica just takes the same time slot as the harem scene.
But it also seems to put revolutionunlockv to true if revolution is not unlocked yet, earlier in that conversation. So a third path into revolution, even though Veronica disagrees with it hard. Also when not on good Revolution path, Claudia will always have the evil version of her room, regardless of corruption and if Kane is K9 and has exec point he will get Liam as a slave in his home.

Kinda confusing, I think the evil room version doesn't really suit uncorrupted Claudia. But Kane/Claudia will still get control over Liam if her room is chosen.

Also does anybody has an idea why selecting Juliette and Claudias room is giving us dgame -1 ? Why is it bad for Kane to choose Juliettes room ?

Im not arguing over whether they're morally right, just that as a business (evil or good) if a competant person has problems doing the work then they're no good to you.

I didnt say they didnt kill slaves, I say they didnt just kill slaves. They do alot of creative shit to some of these slaves while keeping them alive.

I get your point. But think about this. One conversation with Callista and Veronica made tremendous progress with her research. They keep the best botanist hidden in solitude because he would never accept their ways, instead of giving him a team to work with and making his researchs much faster. If the Karlssons wouldnt have build a system based on fear and brutallity they could have a much more succesfull research department. Now they wasting one of the worlds most gifted minds again. This is why I think they are kinda incompetent in doing what they acutally want/need to do, to ensure the survival of the world/humanity. Alexander, Veronica and Dominique maybe have doomed the world by not letting all the great minds of the world work together, just because they enjoy torturing people too much .

And again he is PK1. That basically is a fast track to death. Also Liam knows how dangerous his knowledge is. I am pretty sure he doesnt really see a chance for his own survival. But happy to disagree about this . I personally think the room showed us that Liam is smart man, who truly understands the world he lives in and with more backbone than most characters, both subs and doms.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

I actually just checked the code for the label that is triggered after the Veronica conversation and it checks if nodartgame or bflagdomone are true and when yes it skips the harem scene. So its no hidden variable. I guess the conversation with Veronica just takes the same time slot as the harem scene.
But it also seems to put revolutionunlockv to true if revolution is not unlocked yet, earlier in that conversation. So a third path into revolution, even though Veronica disagrees with it hard. Also when not on good Revolution path, Claudia will always have the evil version of her room, regardless of corruption and if Kane is K9 and has exec point he will get Liam as a slave in his home.

Kinda confusing, I think the evil room version doesn't really suit uncorrupted Claudia. But Kane/Claudia will still get control over Liam if her room is chosen.

Also does anybody has an idea why selecting Juliette and Claudias room is giving us dgame -1 ? Why is it bad for Kane to choose Juliettes room ?


I get your point. But think about this. One conversation with Callista and Veronica made tremendous progress with her research. They keep the best botanist hidden in solitude because he would never accept their ways, instead of giving him a team to work with and making his researchs much faster. If the Karlssons wouldnt have build a system based on fear and brutallity they could have a much more succesfull research department. Now they wasting one of the worlds most gifted minds again. This is why I think they are kinda incompetent in doing what they acutally want/need to do, to ensure the survival of the world/humanity. Alexander, Veronica and Dominique maybe have doomed the world by not letting all the great minds of the world work together, just because they enjoy torturing people too much .

And again he is PK1. That basically is a fast track to death. Also Liam knows how dangerous his knowledge is. I am pretty sure he doesnt really see a chance for his own survival. But happy to disagree about this . I personally think the room showed us that Liam is smart man, who truly understands the world he lives in and with more backbone than most characters, both subs and doms.

I had the mod and didnt know the juliette room was -d

You are correct, if they were a moral organization, they'd probably accomplish more things and wouldnt have to realy on aliens to help them. But once Alexander took the lead, it became the evil organization it currently is. That being said, I thought the Cole solution was fairly inventive. He punished Cole and kept him away from Callista while having him work for the company. Sidenote, I am surprised that Cole didnt go mad being in solitude for so long.

I dont think we're that far off. But when we see him refusing to divulge what veronica told him to keep to himself, I'd say that he has survival instincts. My current theory is that he realizes that Claudia isnt a karlsson, so she wouldnt punish him nearly as bad as juliette dom or olivia would.

 

[harsha_26]

Veronica is one of my favourite characters acutally, because she is so extremly two faced. On one side she wants to follow Astrids example and do something good. But on the other hand she also very much enjoys being sadistic.
The very first scene with her we see a guy hanging and beggin for water. Then she gifts two people to Alessandra. She also seems to very much enjoying Seth being tortured in the first expirment scene with him.

I think being on dom path Veronicas participation in a lot of darker stuff is less visible. But again of the 4 main sisters she is still the nicest on a personal level.

I beg to differ on niceness. Dominique (good) can be good with you on a personal level with you, although it's more of a player taste. But. yes, veronica romance is more of a deeper level compare to other sisters. The "stacy" is the reason. Not the veronica.

 

[Rowszix]

I had the mod and didnt know the juliette room was -d

You are correct, if they were a moral organization, they'd probably accomplish more things and wouldnt have to realy on aliens to help them. But once Alexander took the lead, it became the evil organization it currently is. That being said, I thought the Cole solution was fairly inventive. He punished Cole and kept him away from Callista while having him work for the company. Sidenote, I am surprised that Cole didnt go mad being in solitude for so long.

I dont think we're that far off. But when we see him refusing to divulge what veronica told him to keep to himself, I'd say that he has survival instincts. My current theory is that he realizes that Claudia isnt a karlsson, so she wouldnt punish him nearly as bad as juliette dom or olivia would.

I mean she just drugged him to fail guaranteed ... so I am not sure how much better he thinks Claudia is. If it would have been a fair game, and he would need to do it with his actual strength, I agreed with you, but there never was a chance. It was just for the amusment of Claudia.

Also I dont even think they need to be a moral organization. Just not so extremly evil . Liam worked for them but at some point he just couldnt take it anymore. Cole doesnt plan to make the world a happy place, just less fucked up. So bascially closing the death camps and stop with cruel human experiments would have actually been enough to make more people willingly work with them, especially if the world itself it at stake.


Thats it for the Juliette/Claudia choice. The other two dont change dgame at all. I mean -1 is most likely not really that important, i just see no reason why it changes here at all. Also checked the code if there are other versions of this decision, but no. It always give -1 dgame regardless of any former decisions/relationships/sponsorships.

I beg to differ on niceness. Dominique (good) can be good with you on a personal level with you, although it's more of a player taste. But. yes, veronica romance is more of a deeper level compare to other sisters. The "stacy" is the reason. Not the veronica.

You are right. I kinda always forget about Dominique good romance. If I allign with ther it mostly Junko and not her for me.

 

[harsha_26]

I mean she just drugged him to fail guaranteed ... so I am not sure how much better he thinks Claudia is. If it would have been a fair game, and he would need to do it with his actual strength, I agreed with you, but there never was a chance. It was just for the amusment of Claudia.

Also I dont even think they need to be a moral organization. Just not so extremly evil . Liam worked for them but at some point he just couldnt take it anymore. Cole doesnt plan to make the world a happy place, just less fucked up. So bascially closing the death camps and stop with cruel human experiments would have actually been enough to make more people willingly work with them, especially if the world itself it at stake.

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Thats it for the Juliette/Claudia choice. The other two dont change dgame at all. I mean -1 is most likely not really that important, i just see no reason why it changes here at all. Also checked the code if there are other versions of this decision, but no. It always give -1 dgame regardless of any former decisions/relationships/sponsorships.

I don't think you have to worry about that D point lol, D or S points are important yes but as long as you have maximum (but miss some) it is good I think.

 

[Rowszix]

I don't think you have to worry about that D point lol, D or S points are important yes but as long as you have maximum (but miss some) it is good I think.

It was less worrying and more wondering, why we would lose one here. Most of the time I can understand the reasoning for the point changes. This one just didnt make sense to me.

Edit: talking about points. I would really like to know how many sgame points we will need for the best outcome, so I can plan how many I can sacrificed for more points for Jake and Zach. The number of them is really high this time. Over 40 are possible by start of Game 6.

 

[NukaCola]

I'm enjoy being evil too much. I love this gameThis is one of a rare game that actually let you being evil. I'm a type of person who always cheer for the villain in movie and tv show so this is awesome .
There better be good evil ending where Kane control all or along side Dominique/Juliette/Evil Olivia and keep the current way of life. I'm sorry dad. but its what it is.

 

[Gamer8n8]

The game is just dragging a lot, at this point. This sub games, that too literally 10 games .. just not engaging enough, they look silly and way too repetitive !! The story takes the backseat amidst all these kinks .. you can say that's the point of the adult game, it is what it is .. I feel, this game started off soo good ., building up the world and characters but it just didn't take off from there ... so many new characters introduced, many little revelations but with not much depth and one too many paths make it all look a bit messy !! One other major thing that's very disappointing for me is the writing involving Olivia ... She gets so much build up in the first half of the game, almost everyone is in awe of her. Her growing up with callista, preparing to take her place in the empire, her being elena's daughter and her being very smart and knowing almost everything but playing coy .. but there's just not one strong scene after that initial setup with her to justify she is The One .. I am still waiting for them scenes. There has to be some scenes with her, tackling issues smartly and strongly within and assert her position and make her look like she is the boss but so far, it feels like she is just there in the background !! Anyway, hoping for the strong final act after these game show.

 

[Blackreaper]

She doesnt fuck Kane, but she sits on his lap on a throne on one scene and gives Kane a handy before amy interrupts with a bj in another. She also comments that the reason they're not fucking yet is because she wants to do it some place special

Thank you for letting me know.

 

[slaveatif]

Adding male domination in this game will finish the beauty and popularity of the game

 

[harsha_26]

I'm enjoy being evil too much. I love this gameThis is one of a rare game that actually let you being evil. I'm a type of person who always cheer for the villain in movie and tv show so this is awesome .
There better be good evil ending where Kane control all or along side Dominique/Juliette/Evil Olivia and keep the current way of life. I'm sorry dad. but its what it is.

Don't worry about dad (cole), he won't even care about you unless you become king in future. That's not genuine love from a father. So, yeah evil dom it is.

 

[Maviarab]

only mentioned in passing and never appeared in the story (that we know of).

Incorrect. The living sister meets Olivia in 8.2 in the dusty market town, gives her the pyramid (flashback to younger Olivia). Again, marked on my own sheet (both names)

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

for those that played juliette's room, was it zach in there and what did they do to that whiny bastid?

 

[Stan5851]

Speaking of which, do you guys think Amara survived or not?

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[MilesEdgeworth]

Speaking of which, do you guys think Amara survived or not?

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If this was real life, aint no way. But game wise, that would legit break Kwame and it would kill Dom's public facade of being the "good sister." It'll likely be something that slightly annoys Amara until the next punishment.

Im probs in the minority, but the worse that she treats amara, the less attracted to Dom that my protagonist is.

 

[hkennereth]

Incorrect. The living sister meets Olivia in 8.2 in the dusty market town, gives her the pyramid (flashback to younger Olivia). Again, marked on my own sheet (both names)

Well, your sheet shows Karin as "Miss Kimberly???", which I understand implies this isn't confirmed yet. Maybe it was confirmed by the dev somewhere, maybe you have strong reasons to believe that... but that isn't confirmed in the game yet, or it wouldn't have the question marks there, correct? That's what I meant.