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Some guy quoted me and told me how I missed the obvious WT mod on the first page, but the thing is it specifically works for s2 they already wrote it
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Liam was supposed to be killed for betraying the group but veronica saved him likely due to yvette's influence because they need him for the revolution. Doesnt matter how skiled a person is if you cant trust them ( see cassandra this update).So finally had the time to finish my evil dom playthrough. And I must say, Liam is like he best guy on the cast right now. He is a man with morality, intelligence and doesnt care to play stupid games that are rigged against him. Kanes bullshit about a guy would still try it, even if he knows he only can fail is just dumb. A wise man knows when a fight is worth fighting and when not. Holy shit, I think this shows how dumb and incompetent the Karlsson group actually must be if they bascially sent a guy with his abilities and character strength just to die in there stupid game show. I mean we dont even know if he not acutally had a giant, fucking, mega cock and it was just altered by the Doc
This also makes me kinda sad, that we cant play a complete no bullshit defying sub Kane that doesnt want to play games. We sometimes get answers like this, but much to rare in my opinion. That could be a K1 playthorugh I would actually enjoy because no matter how hard they try to break him ... they just cant.
Also K9 Kane basically owns Liam afterwards sooooooo maybe evil Kane can betray the fake Revolution, because his hate for the people who imprisoned him is stronger than his desire to rule within their system and prefers to bring chaos and build his own empire from there. A evil dom Kane with a glass of wine in his hand and his personal harem at his feet, just enjoying a show of revolting slaves slaughter their former masters would make a fine ending.
Normally I'd agrree with knowing your limits, but if it's pissing off your tormentors not to try, it's not really worth it. At least with Jake you can see that he's over the bullshit.
Speaking of Jake, this update is Kane's first journey to the darkside. Most of the shit done in this game is due to the influence of others, but sending jake to his death knowing what was done to him is the first time that the decision is all on the player and how ruthless they are going to be.
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She doesnt fuck Kane, but she sits on his lap on a throne on one scene and gives Kane a handy before amy interrupts with a bj in another. She also comments that the reason they're not fucking yet is because she wants to do it some place special
Is there proper drama surrounding that event? Does a good Olivia react to Kane's evil?
The handy scene and the comment are linked to evil path meaning a evil Olivia seems ready for some fun. No info this patch about a good Olivia
You cannot get this scene with a good Olivia.
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I think I'll opt to not add the "Secret Sub" links for now. The way I see it, all characters end up messing with the servants at some point or another, but doesn't suggest me a link that "this person is in the story because of their relationship with this other", which is what I prefer to see indicated on the chart. Maybe that could change in the future, but I'll leave it out for now.Hey, yeah maybe it would be better to just not displaying their ranks at all, since they can change very often and depending on player choice.
About SecretSub:
Alessandra gets Angelica and Amy involved in her secret dominating games. Amy not so much as a dom right now, but she can be K3 through this and Angelica as another Domme for Kane (And maybe a domme for herself in the long run
Edit: Ohh and there is of course the Revolution. This is kind of a secret faction of characters that must not really be involvd directly with each other, so maybe give them a color coding or a tag or something, to show that they are involved in revolution.
Out of my head this would be: Junko, Kyomi, Otto, Raven (I think), Astrid, Yvette, Stefan (at least we get a dialog hinting this with him and Kane), Cole (throug that also most likely Callista?)
As for the "Revolution", considering the names you had listed, I think I'll assume for now that everyone that went to meet Cole at his station is part of the group. I added an icon to indicate them, as this sometimes coincides with other pre-existing "factions" that I was using colors to indicate. I would love to hear if anyone can verify the names I marked; I'll update them as necessary.
I should have all of these reflected in the char now. Thanks a lot for the feedback.
Hey, thanks for the feedback. I found that trying to add a line between Elena to Channel would be too complicated there, so I opted to just add that info on Channel's card as text.
Regarding Gemini, from playing the game I found that she's barely under Dominique after being introduced in story, before she's either given to the MC as a servant, or she's... no longer in the story. So I added her under the MC instead in an "optional servants" group. It makes more sense to me.
The original post has been updated with the changes described here, and some others. Thanks Maviarab for your spreadsheet, it was very helpful. Please let me know if there is anything incorrect or that could be added.
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What makes you think Veronica saved him? He was working under her, why should anybody but her decide how to handle him? He also didnt betray the company, He just had problems with experiments on humans. Its most likely Veronica send him to the game show to kill him. She doesnt support the revolution. She knows about it and isnt stopping it. Most likely just because she doesnt want to fight Astrid and Yvette. But thats all. Also she wouldnt even need him, we know from the flashback with Alexander that she already can deactivate the chips and end the Karlssons reign.
And you cant compare Cassandra and Liam. Cassandra is basically a middle manager, Liam is one of the best programmers in the world... Sacrificing competence for loyalty is one of the biggest problems of dictatorships throughout history.
Veronica says she is all about the greater good but how many people that maybe could have changed the fate of the world has she sacrificed because they had at least some moral problems with the Karlssons over the years?
Veronica is too stuck into her ways to understand that maybe she was always part of the problem. She starts to change and questioning herself after Kane saved Maria, but she was and ever will be the one sister that is most responsible for holding up the status quo.
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This is by the way the Veronica answer from the question from the test in the prison. The question is basically exactly Liam situation. So I assume Veronica thought it was necessary to kill him, and a big reason why I think she was it herself who sent him into the game show to be killed off.
And Liam pissing them off doesnt really Matter. They already made him PK1. He knows he is basically dead. He knows he would have failed and they would just humiliate him about it. He just choose to keep the little dignity he has left. If they kill him for that, so what? The whole programm and the game show are just for entertaining VIPs by torturing and Killing the participants. He knows that he is already a dead man walking with no chance of survival. He doesnt know about the revolution/fake revolution powers. So no reason to play along in a rigged game.
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Great work man, about the SecretSub stuff, maybe another tag could be a good solution? Kind of like a knows about SecretSub tag. The girls who dominated secretSub Kane were: Alessandra, Alyssa, Claudia, Celeste, Patricia and Angelica. Mia was involved in some play but still more as a sub. She doesnt really know whats happening. Again, maybe not really necessary for what you wanted to do, but just wanted to give more feedback for your great sheet.
Edit: Ohh and Alexanders sisters are still missing. I know they didnt played a big role yet, but maybe you think they were worth mentoning.
And btw. when you forgot to add the parent line from Alexander to Olivia, I thought about how fucking funny it would be if Olivia actually wasnt the daughter of Alexander and Elena. So basically the true daughter died and Callista just replaced her with some orphan girl. I know it is bullshit but the irony would be fantastic and it could give us some great scenes of Olivia taking control and then enslaving and dominating Elena and the Karlssons sisters without breaking the incest rule
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I'll give some thought to the SecretSub stuff, and see if I can find a good way to mark that. I did add the sisters though; I kinda forgot about them since they are only mentioned in passing and never appeared in the story (that we know of).Great work man, about the SecretSub stuff, maybe another tag could be a good solution? Kind of like a knows about SecretSub tag. The girls who dominated secretSub Kane were: Alessandra, Alyssa, Claudia, Celeste, Patricia and Angelica. Mia was involved in some play but still more as a sub. She doesnt really know whats happening. Again, maybe not really necessary for what you wanted to do, but just wanted to give more feedback for your great sheet.
Edit: Ohh and Alexanders sisters are still missing. I know they didnt played a big role yet, but maybe you think they were worth mentoning.
And btw. when you forgot to add the parent line from Alexander to Olivia, I thought about how fucking funny it would be if Olivia actually wasnt the daughter of Alexander and Elena. So basically the true daughter died and Callista just replaced her with some orphan girl. I know it is bullshit but the irony would be fantastic and it could give us some great scenes of Olivia taking control and then enslaving and dominating Elena and the Karlssons sisters without breaking the incest rule
I think the women Olivia meets in the flashback with the pyramid is one of the sisters.I'll give some thought to the SecretSub stuff, and see if I can find a good way to mark that. I did add the sisters though; I kinda forgot about them since they are only mentioned in passing and never appeared in the story (that we know of).
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Thank you, you've been helpful.Hello everyone
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You mean that scene where we have fun with those three ladies, right?You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
this happens after you talk with Katsumi in the pits, after Jake and Liam are thrown down.
And the scene with our these girls for the harem plays before the VIP-Room-Selection.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
On this path i'm with jules and more evil as the Devil himself^^
What I know is, you cant have "bflagdomone". So i think, on Veronica path, this scene will not play...i have tried it with URM...k9-execpt>=1 and with Veronica as Sponsor...this scene will not happen...
I hope this can help you.
PS: This is my first post in this forum and in one of the best games here, no less. English isn't my first language. I hope that's okay.
I understood that it was because of the meeting with Veronica (near the tree), but it wasn't clear which of the flags or variables was “to blame” for this. Now that the "culprit" flag has been identified, it has been helpful. However, I still do not see any "sacred meaning" in this peculiar restriction. The same Svetlana initially goes to any K9 Kane (good or evil). It does not matter which of the Karlsson sisters are his sponsors.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content.
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Judging by the Dom content (spoilers that Tess posted earlier), probably the only thing I haven't gone through yet is my "light paladin" save (game show refusal + romance with V and the reward scene from Nurse Rayes). But that's a matter for tomorrow... oh, damn, it's morning again...
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In my view, that path felt too rushed. And I agree with tess giving warning to that scene. I felt evil dom kane is not in that level to take that decision. Anyway, I kept two paths as my preferential canon 1 & canon 2 paths. One is with Jake room+liam(fake revol)+red boots and one with Dominique+liam(fake revol).
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Even though as a staunch supporter of evil dom paths and girls like Evil Dominique and Juli, I always loved Veronica Romance too when playing as Good Dom Path. But it is really a hard journey to travel with her. She have enough sweet moments like her difficult childhood, connection to stacy with kane, she inviting him to her private space room etc.
But at last, She is ofcourse karlsson's sister and pragmatic for a reason.
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Unless im misremembering, Liam was slated to be executed but Veronica put him in the game. Only reason she would even give a shit is her mother asked her for a favor which is the same thing that Kane figured. She might be neutral but she will do stuff for her mother.
As for sacrificing competence for loyalty, competence means nothing if the person isnt willing to work for you.
It matters very much. They don't just kill slaves, he could very well get turned into dumbo, or something worse. So probs not the best strategy to piss off his captors.
Ok just checked the dialog you are right, that Veronica had objetions how he is treated. But is was about him being in the game show. It is unclear what she wanted to do with him. Otto speculates about that she maybe wanted him to be locked away, but it is also possible she just wanted him killed. Otto also warns Kane that Veronica might try to interfere with getting Liam safe.
If a person with very basic morals isnt willing to work for you because of that morals, then something might be wrong with you, not the person
.About them not just killing slaves ... yes they do
.The whole K1 area is basically about that. K1s are treated as complelty disposable and just kill for fun people.
Juliette basically does it all the time.
The whole programm is basically designed to kill the participants for the entertaiment of the VIPs, on sub route this is pretty obvious and Claudia even says it out loud. The last game of the show is meant to kill mostly everybody who survived until this point.
Speaking of Claudia, if corrupted on sub route, she can also just kill one programm participant just because she feels like it.
Liam worked for them ... he knows how they treat people. He knows with a PK1 rank and being part of the game show he is basically already dead.
Veronica is one of my favourite characters acutally, because she is so extremly two faced. On one side she wants to follow Astrids example and do something good. But on the other hand she also very much enjoys being sadistic.
The very first scene with her we see a guy hanging and beggin for water. Then she gifts two people to Alessandra. She also seems to very much enjoying Seth being tortured in the first expirment scene with him.
I think being on dom path Veronicas participation in a lot of darker stuff is less visible. But again of the 4 main sisters she is still the nicest on a personal level.
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Im not arguing over whether they're morally right, just that as a business (evil or good) if a competant person has problems doing the work then they're no good to you.Ok just checked the dialog you are right, that Veronica had objetions how he is treated. But is was about him being in the game show. It is unclear what she wanted to do with him. Otto speculates about that she maybe wanted him to be locked away, but it is also possible she just wanted him killed. Otto also warns Kane that Veronica might try to interfere with getting Liam safe.
If a person with very basic morals isnt willing to work for you because of that morals, then something might be wrong with you, not the person
About them not just killing slaves ... yes they do
The whole K1 area is basically about that. K1s are treated as complelty disposable and just kill for fun people.
Juliette basically does it all the time.
The whole programm is basically designed to kill the participants for the entertaiment of the VIPs, on sub route this is pretty obvious and Claudia even says it out loud. The last game of the show is meant to kill mostly everybody who survived until this point.
Speaking of Claudia, if corrupted on sub route, she can also just kill one programm participant just because she feels like it.
Liam worked for them ... he knows how they treat people. He knows with a PK1 rank and being part of the game show he is basically already dead.
I didnt say they didnt kill slaves, I say they didnt just kill slaves. They do alot of creative shit to some of these slaves while keeping them alive.