VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 FinalA2] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[MilesEdgeworth]

Wait. Is it possible to got Alessandra secret sub path as K9? Because I'm replaying now and don't see the option.

no

 

[harsha_26]

harsha_26 something tells me that you definitely got that exclusive scene. Any ideas how else to get it, besides the evil path?

Yes, Veronica somehow blocks the harem scene. It is because the time spending with Veronica, you miss out other scenes and won't get sufficient executive points to get the harem scene or even if you get, the time spending with veronica is a penalty and time lost in spending time with harem. And also the scene will be even more harder to access if you didn't choose to be a gamehost.

 

[Rowszix]

Wait. Is it possible to got Alessandra secret sub path as K9? Because I'm replaying now and don't see the option.

No the Dom way to get it is during the outdoor pool scene with Olivia and Alessandra. When you massage Alessandra you have to pick her feet, then she basically asks you if you like to be submissive in the bedroom. When you say yes ==> SecretSub.
The other way is to start as K3/K4 and getting promoted into dom route. Then there is a indoor pool scene with Alessandra (that girl really likes pools) in which she basically wants you to submit to her. If you do it ==> SecretSub.

She will always make you K7 regardless of your current rank later. And yes that means if you are K5 you will be K7 but also if you are K9 you will be K7. I guess it was done for the housing, so Tess didnt need to create the same scene with different locations. But feels kinda weird, because Alessandra tells you she wants you to become strong outside of your relationship, but deranks you ... .

I like SecretSub a lot but not so much because of Alessandra but rather Angelica . SecretSub can be both kinda harsh and pretty gentle depending if you romance Alessandra or want to become her pet. My only real critique of SecretSub path outside of the deranking is that Alessandra still is super degrading towards Kane. I mean I get that Tess most likely has a massiv degrading fetish, but I think it would have hit harder if Alessandra would be more supportive and less demanding. Like Kane will rule the world, but will always be kneeling for her. I feel it would show much more confidence of her if she accepts him as the only male (except Alexander) who is equal to her, but just can't resist to server her in the end. I mean dominating a pathetic worm is much less impressive than dominating the literally King of the world .

The more this game moves along the more useless that Juliette feels on the dom path. I imagine she's highly visible on the sub path probs works well with my theory

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Since i wont be replaying right away does whoever gets turned down by olivia wind up getting all three rooms?

To your question: No, you always only get two rooms, except if you get the court room scene.
To your spoiler: I still feel more like it's Alessandra since she only seem to have significance on SecretSub. But yeah Juliette would be also my second guess.

 

[harsha_26]

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Which rooms you selected in evil dom? You let of juli Or Claudia? I think for evil dom, leaving Dominique room would be ideal. We don't get gemini but Dominique will be more upset you don't take the fake revolution room. And also being with Juli room is important for evil dom tootoo as juli is kind of main girl in evil dom.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Which rooms you selected in evil dom? You let of juli Or Claudia? I think for evil dom, leaving Dominique room would be ideal. We don't get gemini but Dominique will be more upset you don't take the fake revolution room. And also being with Juli room is important for evil dom tootoo as juli is kind of main girl in evil dom.

Juliette is so unimportant at this point that I choose dom for gemini and the thief guard and claudia for the fake revolution plot. You dont really get anything from juliette other than the chance to be evil which meh

 

[harsha_26]

Is callista being alive really important information for Kane at this moment. If anything, it distracts him from whats currently important for him.

I can understand why it is right time for that k1 scene, but it is too soon for him to know this truth if he is in other ranks, especially evil dom of k9. There might be a chance that he may feel momma love suddenly and might become soft man lol. He need to become more evil before the truth reveal, so that callista's emotional reaction to evil dom would be an epic moment.

 

[harsha_26]

Juliette is so unimportant at this point that I choose dom for gemini and the thief guard and claudia for the fake revolution plot. You dont really get anything from juliette other than the chance to be evil which meh

Yeah right, but you can maintian two evil dom paths, because juli scene is connected to New Paris path (if you are interested in it).

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

To your question: No, you always only get two rooms, except if you get the court room scene.
To your spoiler: I still feel more like it's Alessandra since she only seem to have significance on SecretSub. But yeah Juliette would be also my second guess.

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[harsha_26]

No the Dom way to get it is during the outdoor pool scene with Olivia and Alessandra. When you massage Alessandra you have to pick her feet, then she basically asks you if you like to be submissive in the bedroom. When you say yes ==> SecretSub.
The other way is to start as K3/K4 and getting promoted into dom route. Then there is a indoor pool scene with Alessandra (that girl really likes pools) in which she basically wants you to submit to her. If you do it ==> SecretSub.

She will always make you K7 regardless of your current rank later. And yes that means if you are K5 you will be K7 but also if you are K9 you will be K7. I guess it was done for the housing, so Tess didnt need to create the same scene with different locations. But feels kinda weird, because Alessandra tells you she wants you to become strong outside of your relationship, but deranks you ... .

I like SecretSub a lot but not so much because of Alessandra but rather Angelica . SecretSub can be both kinda harsh and pretty gentle depending if you romance Alessandra or want to become her pet. My only real critique of SecretSub path outside of the deranking is that Alessandra still is super degrading towards Kane. I mean I get that Tess most likely has a massiv degrading fetish, but I think it would have hit harder if Alessandra would be more supportive and less demanding. Like Kane will rule the world, but will always be kneeling for her. I feel it would show much more confidence of her if she accepts him as the only male (except Alexander) who is equal to her, but just can't resist to server her in the end. I mean dominating a pathetic worm is much less impressive than dominating the literally King of the world .


To your question: No, you always only get two rooms, except if you get the court room scene.
To your spoiler: I still feel more like it's Alessandra since she only seem to have significance on SecretSub. But yeah Juliette would be also my second guess.

My bet is on Dominique. There is a tension around Alessandra vs Dominique, And Alessandra is better than planning murder plots (for that matter why plans) than dominique. And Kane will have a chance to save Dominique or not.

 

[harsha_26]

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Alessandra is always important to the whole game no matter you path you choose, she works more in background but her importance to the story matches more or less to the veronica. Dominique also kind of important with cole and her rivalry with alessandra. I feel like Juliette is the least important upto this point. She haven't done anything direly important to the story. Just like a dumb evil bitch only surviving because she is karlsson.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Alessandra is always important to the whole game no matter you path you choose, she works more in background but her importance to the story matches more or less to the veronica. Dominique also kind of important with cole and her rivalry with alessandra. I feel like Juliette is the least important upto this point. She haven't done anything direly important to the story. Just like a dumb evil bitch only surviving because she is karlsson.

Dominique no longer has cole and her rivalry with alessandra is one sided and she's on the wrong side of it. Juliette's rivalry with the dekocks feels like its just starting. Meanwhile most of Dom's storylines are pretty much over at this point.

 

[Rowszix]

Dominique has much more going on, FakeRevolution, Kwame storyline, the Zoo, Junko Pet etc.
Also we don't know if the death is caused by another Karlsson right? Alessandra knows much more about the gambit then most of the other sisters (except Veronica and Olivia). So I think her making some kind of *illegal* move to change the gambit and then gets taken out by Callista or someone else who actually ensures that the gambit goes on. It could be used as a prop to show the sisters that they have to play by Alexanders rules.

 

[harsha_26]

Dominique no longer has cole and her rivalry with alessandra is one sided and she's on the wrong side of it. Juliette's rivalry with the dekocks feels like its just starting. Meanwhile most of Dom's storylines are pretty much over at this point.

Care to remind me what is the reason behind Domi-Ales rivalry? I kind of forget.

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Care to remind me what is the reason behind Domi-Ales rivalry? I kind of forget.

Dom tried to do something unknown to alessandra, mustve been pretty bad because Veronica didnt seem to be debating it

 

[harsha_26]

Dominique has much more going on, FakeRevolution, Kwame storyline, the Zoo, Junko Pet etc.
Also we don't know if the death is caused by another Karlsson right? Alessandra knows much more about the gambit then most of the other sisters (except Veronica and Olivia). So I think her making some kind of *illegal* move to change the gambit and then gets taken out by Callista or someone else who actually ensures that the gambit goes on. It could be used as a prop to show the sisters that they have to play by Alexanders rules.

Don't under estimate alessandra, she can plan the murder even of her sisters, without pointing fingers at her. I never seen such an intelligent evil bitch in any other game. If only Juli had that intelligence, Evil Dom would have been amazing.

 

[harsha_26]

Dom tried to do something unknown to alessandra, mustve been pretty bad because Veronica didnt seem to be debating it

So, It's hasn't been revealed to the players yet? Could be the reason that she kidnapped cole and that somehow goes against gambit plan running by alessandra?

 

[Rowszix]

Don't under estimate alessandra, she can plan the murder even of her sisters, without pointing fingers at her. I never seen such an intelligent evil bitch in any other game. If only Juli had that intelligence, Evil Dom would have been amazing.

Mhh because of all her scheming I think she could be the one. We know that Veronica basically knows everything about her plans. And we know that she tries to talk her out of it. If Alessandra goes one step too far and bascially angers some powers in the background it could be her end.

I kind of really like the idea of Callista killing her. Make a big reveal that Alessandra is the masked Sister and having another talk with Callista. Then let Callista tell her that her usefuless is at an end and or she has broken the rules of the game. I think somebody who is not one of the sisters making a bold move like this could really increase the tension.

So, It's hasn't been revealed to the players yet? Could be the reason that she kidnapped cole and that somehow goes against gambit plan running by alessandra?

Mhh Cole is gone for a long time right? So was it actually Dominique who kidnapped him or did she just take over?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

So, It's hasn't been revealed to the players yet? Could be the reason that she kidnapped cole and that somehow goes against gambit plan running by alessandra?

She didnt kidnap cole. Cole wound up in that cold place because he agreed to go there in exchange for Alexander not hurting callista or Kane. Dom was just the only one that alexander told about Cole

Dominique has much more going on, FakeRevolution, Kwame storyline, the Zoo, Junko Pet etc.
Also we don't know if the death is caused by another Karlsson right? Alessandra knows much more about the gambit then most of the other sisters (except Veronica and Olivia). So I think her making some kind of *illegal* move to change the gambit and then gets taken out by Callista or someone else who actually ensures that the gambit goes on. It could be used as a prop to show the sisters that they have to play by Alexanders rules.

Dom has stuff going on but other than the fake revolution, none of it is important enough that the story couldnt go on without her.Hell, claudia could probably take over the fake revolution now that shes about to get Liam.

Mhh because of all her scheming I think she could be the one. We know that Veronica basically knows everything about her plans. And we know that she tries to talk her out of it. If Alessandra goes one step too far and bascially angers some powers in the background it could be her end.

I kind of really like the idea of Callista killing her. Make a big reveal that Alessandra is the masked Sister and having another talk with Callista. Then let Callista tell her that her usefuless is at an end and or she has broken the rules of the game. I think somebody who is not one of the sisters making a bold move like this could really increase the tension.


Mhh Cole is gone for a long time right? So was it actually Dominique who kidnapped him or did she just take over?

Veronica seems to like her, i dont think she takes out alessandra unless she absolutely has to. Not to mention Veronica found out theres more stuff that she actually doesnt know.

 

[Rowszix]

She didnt kidnap cole. Cole wound up in that cold place because he agreed to go there in exchange for Alexander not hurting callista or Kane. Dom was just the only one that alexander told about Cole

Dom has stuff going on but other than the fake revolution, none of it is important enough that the story couldnt go on without her.Hell, claudia could probably take over the fake revolution now that shes about to get Liam.


Veronica seems to like her, i dont think she takes out alessandra unless she absolutely has to. Not to mention Veronica found out theres more stuff that she actually doesnt know.

Nah with the Veronica stuff I meant a lot about her plans is not as secret as Alessandra want them to be. I dont think Veronica will take her out at all. But it could be a hint that Alessandra is playing a dangerous game that could backfire.

And sure, Dominque could be the one but I just think she has much more story involvment then Alessandra, who seems to be more working from the background. But yeah if it would just be about who has the least involvment it would be most likely Juliette.

Also asking myself who would take over the dead sisters spot in the board. We still dont know who the secret seventh member is, just that they would vote (most likely) against the masked sister. If Elena gives up her spot before the sister dies for Olivia, she could of course be reestablished, but I guess some of the survining Sisters wouldnt really like another mother/daughter pairing on the board. Of course the spot could just be vacant for some time.

 

[harsha_26]

Nah with the Veronica stuff I meant a lot about her plans is not as secret as Alessandra want them to be. I dont think Veronica will take her out at all. But it could be a hint that Alessandra is playing a dangerous game that could backfire.

And sure, Dominque could be the one but I just think she has much more story involvment then Alessandra, who seems to be more working from the background. But yeah if it would just be about who has the least involvment it would be most likely Juliette.

Also asking myself who would take over the dead sisters spot in the board. We still dont know who the secret seventh member is, just that they would vote (most likely) against the masked sister. If Elena gives up her spot before the sister dies for Olivia, she could of course be reestablished, but I guess some of the survining Sisters wouldnt really like another mother/daughter pairing on the board. Of course the spot could just be vacant for some time.

Why I don't think Juliette because, Tess in the olden days, when Demon path is not even introduced but in her plans already, used to tell fans that there will be romance with her and there will be a ending with her for evil dom. And "Karlsson will be killed in episode 10" is a plan always in those days also and it is evident that there will be no choice for kane to save her and death is inevitable. So killing her in episode 10 would be a dick move.

Yeah, i know plans are changed now and Juli solo romance wont be a option for Evil Dom and there will be a chance to save that karlsson in episode 10. But, still, I think tess already wrote the important plot default points already before the development and she won't change them.

My bet is still Dominique.