VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 FinalA2] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[Maviarab]

veryone not named Veronica

Ohh jeesh...another one....

 

[Meiri]

Ohh jeesh...another one....

Oh, even her but she seems to have plot armor in that regard.

 

[harsha_26]

Punishing all the Karlssons i'd say is guaranteed specially in that bring down the karlssons path, but individually punishing some? That's harder to say because pretty much everyone not named Veronica probably deserves some punishment.

Yeah but does tess will create that content? Its more 'may be not' than may be..

 

[Stan5851]

You analysis is good but I hope there will be a choice for Kane to punish Elena first. She is dangerous even if she is in good path.. I hate her how she treated sub Kane even though she is the best friend of Callista.

Also, who will decide who deserve it or not.. For example, I hate alensandra the most in karlssons.. Even more than Juliette for what she done to that old man and diana.. Will there be any choice to punish alensandra? It's all speculations. Only tess knows..

That will be up to my Kane (and possibly Olivia...if I let her). As for Alessandra, I'm not sure which Diana you're talking about, as there is no character with that name in the game. And if we're talking about the old man, the only one who comes to mind is Harry Von Reinach, but it wasn't Alessandra who tortured him, it was Phoebe and Celeste.

As for "speculation and only Tess knows", of course, this is my personal opinion and my thoughts about it. But I was much less categorical in my assumptions than you are with yours:

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Because your words definitely cannot be statements (which is what they appear to be) and can at most be called assumptions and guesses, because, as you correctly pointed out, only Tess knows what will actually happen next with the Karlssons.

 

[Stan5851]

By the way, I think Mav already wrote here earlier that, overall, the entire storyline is quite coherent and develops consistently, which is clearly noticeable if you go through the Dom and Sub routes simultaneously and in parallel. Based on this, my assumption that the fate of the Karlssons will be decided within the framework of the overall storyline (and will not depend on the type of route chosen by the player) fits good into the logic of the overall storyline.

everyone not named Veronica probably deserves some punishment.

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[jadepaladin]

That will be up to my Kane (and possibly Olivia...if I let her). As for Alessandra, I'm not sure which Diana you're talking about, as there is no character with that name in the game. And if we're talking about the old man, the only one who comes to mind is Harry Von Reinach, but it wasn't Alessandra who tortured him, it was Phoebe and Celeste.

As for "speculation and only Tess knows", of course, this is my personal opinion and my thoughts about it. But I was much less categorical in my assumptions than you are with yours:

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Because your words definitely cannot be statements (which is what they appear to be) and can at most be called assumptions and guesses, because, as you correctly pointed out, only Tess knows what will actually happen next with the Karlssons.

Diana is the woman that Veronica brings Alessandra way early on.

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[Stan5851]

Diana is the woman that Veronica brings Alessandra way early on.

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[Maviarab]

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She did on mine

 

[anne O'nymous]

By the way, I think Mav already wrote here earlier that, overall, the entire storyline is quite coherent and develops consistently, which is clearly noticeable if you go through the Dom and Sub routes simultaneously and in parallel.

More globally, it develop consistently whatever Kane's K rank.

Based on this, my assumption that the fate of the Karlssons will be decided within the framework of the overall storyline (and will not depend on the type of route chosen by the player) fits good into the logic of the overall storyline.

I'm less affirmative on this.

The background story is consistent, but there's already clear nuance that appear between a Kane that will reach the top, and a Kane that will perhaps never be something else than K ranked.

I have 9 playthrough, with Kane as K9, K7 and K4. While the story is consistent, but it's not equal in all routes. None of the top characters make a real difference between K9 and K7, but some clearly express their disappointment to see him only be K4.
They aren't surprised that he perform really well (K9), he will be a good leader, whatever they mean by this; it does not imply that he'll lead the Karlsson group, being ranked Z4, or even just M would already made him an exception. But at the opposite, him performing averagely (K4) force them to expect that he'll find the right mistress, one that would be open to his possible advice; him being submissive does not imply that he's stupid.

There's also the personal relation with the four sisters (for both Kane and Olivia), that will probably have an influence on who will have the most influence on the board. Without forgetting Elena own little project, that make the relation between Kane and Olivia also being an important factor.
While we don't really know about Alessandra's view of the future, and perhaps not about Juliette's one (I don't know, I avoid her as much as possible), we still clearly know that there's at least between five and eight plans in progress:

• The original Gambit made by Alexander, we know nothing about it;
• Dominic's Renew project, to which Veronica collaborate;
• Dominic's Cole project, that is linked to the Renew project, but possibly something different since Dominic never shared it with Veronica;
• Veronica's own project, that goes at the exact opposite of the Renew project;
• Elena's Princess Eyes project, that would at least interfere with Dominic and Veronica plans, at most cancel them;
• The Gambit Queen's plan, we just know that it's to interfere with Alexander's Gambit;
• If she isn't the Gambit Queen, then should be added Callista own plan;
• If Callista isn't the Gambit Queen and if it's not her plan, there's also the Quiet revolution.

All this lead to an uncertainty regarding the end of the story. With the five firsts plans, the Karlsson group will survive. With the two following, we don't know, but with the last one, the Karlsson group would disappear.
Now, perhaps that the outcome is frozen, that all the projects but one will fail independantly of Olivia and Kane actions. But if it happen that it's the case, then I'll be really disappointed at the end of the story, because our choices as player would have then be limited to present us a different way to reach an immutable destiny.

 

[Stan5851]

More globally, it develop consistently whatever Kane's K rank.




I'm less affirmative on this.

The background story is consistent, but there's already clear nuance that appear between a Kane that will reach the top, and a Kane that will perhaps never be something else than K ranked.

I have 9 playthrough, with Kane as K9, K7 and K4. While the story is consistent, but it's not equal in all routes. None of the top characters make a real difference between K9 and K7, but some clearly express their disappointment to see him only be K4.
They aren't surprised that he perform really well (K9), he will be a good leader, whatever they mean by this; it does not imply that he'll lead the Karlsson group, being ranked Z4, or even just M would already made him an exception. But at the opposite, him performing averagely (K4) force them to expect that he'll find the right mistress, one that would be open to his possible advice; him being submissive does not imply that he's stupid.

There's also the personal relation with the four sisters (for both Kane and Olivia), that will probably have an influence on who will have the most influence on the board. Without forgetting Elena own little project, that make the relation between Kane and Olivia also being an important factor.
While we don't really know about Alessandra's view of the future, and perhaps not about Juliette's one (I don't know, I avoid her as much as possible), we still clearly know that there's at least between five and eight plans in progress:

• The original Gambit made by Alexander, we know nothing about it;
• Dominic's Renew project, to which Veronica collaborate;
• Dominic's Cole project, that is linked to the Renew project, but possibly something different since Dominic never shared it with Veronica;
• Veronica's own project, that goes at the exact opposite of the Renew project;
• Elena's Princess Eyes project, that would at least interfere with Dominic and Veronica plans, at most cancel them;
• The Gambit Queen's plan, we just know that it's to interfere with Alexander's Gambit;
• If she isn't the Gambit Queen, then should be added Callista own plan;
• If Callista isn't the Gambit Queen and if it's not her plan, there's also the Quiet revolution.

All this lead to an uncertainty regarding the end of the story. With the five firsts plans, the Karlsson group will survive. With the two following, we don't know, but with the last one, the Karlsson group would disappear.
Now, perhaps that the outcome is frozen, that all the projects but one will fail independantly of Olivia and Kane actions. But if it happen that it's the case, then I'll be really disappointed at the end of the story, because our choices as player would have then be limited to present us a different way to reach an immutable destiny.

The problem is that what you have written is mostly nonsense, and I can see that you have obvious confusion and disorder in your mind about what is actually happening in the game. You should definitely read, for example, Maviarab 's posts or those of other regular participants of this thread (including mine) to understand what is really going on in this game. I also recommend that you familiarize yourself with all the additional materials linked in the OP.

Yes, I could discuss this with you and even explain in detail where you are wrong, but I found that you are on my blacklist (and have been on it for a long time), and removing people from it has never been part of my plans.

 

[harsha_26]

That will be up to my Kane (and possibly Olivia...if I let her). As for Alessandra, I'm not sure which Diana you're talking about, as there is no character with that name in the game. And if we're talking about the old man, the only one who comes to mind is Harry Von Reinach, but it wasn't Alessandra who tortured him, it was Phoebe and Celeste.

As for "speculation and only Tess knows", of course, this is my personal opinion and my thoughts about it. But I was much less categorical in my assumptions than you are with yours:

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Because your words definitely cannot be statements (which is what they appear to be) and can at most be called assumptions and guesses, because, as you correctly pointed out, only Tess knows what will actually happen next with the Karlssons.

Not my intention to give statements. It's just my bad english. Sorry for that.

 

[harsha_26]

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Sorry man, for me Alesandra behavior with slave old man for thirst and How Veronica and Alesandra behaved with diana is more hatred for me compare to jules. Jules just torchurs physically more but Alesandra plays with people's emotion weakness for survivial too. So, how she behaved with Diana is also consideration for me to have hate on her compare to Jules. But yes, this is all something Kane doesn't seen. But that doesn't mean people like Alesandra should be escape freely. Same with Elena too.

 

[anne O'nymous]

The problem is that what you have written is mostly nonsense, and I can see that you have obvious confusion and disorder in your mind about what is actually happening in the game. [...] but I found that you are on my blacklist (and have been on it for a long time), [...]

With such charming personality, I wonder why you ended triggered like a baby. But don't worry, I'll let your highness parade in peace in his castle.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

By the way, I think Mav already wrote here earlier that, overall, the entire storyline is quite coherent and develops consistently, which is clearly noticeable if you go through the Dom and Sub routes simultaneously and in parallel. Based on this, my assumption that the fate of the Karlssons will be decided within the framework of the overall storyline (and will not depend on the type of route chosen by the player) fits good into the logic of the overall storyline.

So on a Sub path for example, whether you align with Dominique and Juliette vs aligning with Olivia won't change the overall outcome of who controls the company? A secret sub Kane who is doing everything that Alessandria tells him vs a Dom Kane aligned with Olivia? Or a Dom Kane who has opposite alignment with Olivia? To be fair, there is less impact so far on what a Dom Kane can have on the sisters (or much of anything really) so far. But I'm not sure I'd say it's clear that the ultimate outcome of the Karlssons will be standardized regardless of what Kane's position and choices are.

Or do you just mean alive vs dead when you say "fate" since this was posted after people were talking about punishing the sisters?

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Im surprised people are mad at Alessandra and Jules for their transgressions yet ignore the fact that Dom is still torturing a woman for shit her husband did while lying to her husband about his family being safe

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Pretty much everyone in this game is evil.
Even Veronica since she made a chip designed to torture people at will for control and gave them out to be deployed so that she has a check against everyone else if she decides to turn them off. And she made the "pain on contact" fluid and gave it out.

I don't think taking the approach of "I don't like this character because they're evil" is a good way to go about things in this game. If you do you're left with what, Astrid, Zach, Jake, the k-ranked women, Mia, Raven, and Claudia based on player choice?

Dystopian world settings tend to have shady morality as a general rule.

 

[Meiri]

Im surprised people are mad at Alessandra and Jules for their transgressions yet ignore the fact that Dom is still torturing a woman for shit her husband did while lying to her husband about his family being safe

Juliette did nothing wrong, she is just keeping the lions fed.

 

[The_Man_With_No_Name]

Juliette did nothing wrong, she is just keeping the lions fed.

She really is the best.

 

[Stan5851]

Or do you just mean alive vs dead when you say "fate" since this was posted after people were talking about punishing the sisters?

That's right, that's exactly what I mean.

 

[harsha_26]

Im surprised people are mad at Alessandra and Jules for their transgressions yet ignore the fact that Dom is still torturing a woman for shit her husband did while lying to her husband about his family being safe

Well, Let's hope revolution will takeover karlssons and Kwawe can punish DomKane then lol..