VN Ren'Py Karlsson's Gambit [v0.8.31 FinalA2] [Grym Gudinna Games]

[MilesEdgeworth]

OMG we finally get our first kane death this update? Pity I won't see it. Hopefully screenshots will come later

 

[Rowszix]

Both of you need to be on the evil path and you need to have agreed to "be" with her from her earlier questions. It's a bug that shouldn't be there if you're on the good path. Apparently they know about it and are fixing it (but haven't).

If everything lines up (evilx2, etc.) you end up in a courtroom scene w/ Olivia, Alessandra, Jake, and a few others.

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Kane being evil is not a condition, just demoness Olivia or k1mistress. Both are flags from the K1 prison scene. Where Olivia get control over the K1 prisoners. So yeah you can get the scene with good Kane. Also makes sense, since Kane can decide to do good in the scene.

OMG we finally get our first kane death this update? Pity I won't see it. Hopefully screenshots will come later

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[NewGuy2022]

Sorry to correct you :

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Kane being evil is not a condition, just demoness Olivia or k1mistress. Both are flags from the K1 prison scene. Where Olivia get control over the K1 prisoners. So yeah you can get the scene with good Kane. Also makes sense, since Kane can decide to do good in the scene.

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No worries about the correction but I don't think you can get the goldilocks flag unless you match Olivia's ethos (good/evil). I could be wrong on that but I don't think so. Evil Olivia isn't nearly as interested in a Good Kane as a partner; a slave? Sure but that's not what goldilocks measures.

 

[Rowszix]

No worries about the correction but I don't think you can get the goldilocks flag unless you match Olivia's ethos (good/evil). I could be wrong on that but I don't think so. Evil Olivia isn't nearly as interested in a Good Kane as a partner; a slave? Sure but that's not what goldilocks measures.

Yes you can actually. I have just tested it with my Fuck that bitch savegame . Its my good dom kane fights against evil Olivia playthrough. Just skipped through the whole episode and you get the Olivia romance scene there too. Olivia actually warns him to be not too soft and Kane asks himself if she means good when saying soft. Fun thing is, that I bascially never got any points for the sisTeam variable or the other variable that is about Olivia liking Kane. But yeah the goldilock scene is happening regardless of previous decisions/alignments.

Edit: There are actually three variable for Kane/Olivia sisTeam, princesseyes and sis_bro_p.
Here some screenshots of the variables at the start of my episode 8 save game:



So yeah those stats dont really matter at all for the goldilocks scene to happen.

Does it make sense for good Kane to romance evil Oliva or vice versa, most likely not... but the game allows it.

 

[NewGuy2022]

Yes you can actually. I have just tested it with my Fuck that bitch savegame . Its my good dom kane fights against evil Olivia playthrough. Just skipped through the whole episode and you get the Olivia romance scene there too. Olivia actually warns him to be not too soft and Kane asks himself if she means good when saying soft. Fun thing is, that I bascially never got any points for the sisTeam variable or the other variable that is about Olivia liking Kane. But yeah the goldilock scene is happening regardless of previous decisions/alignments.

Edit: There are actually three variable for Kane/Olivia sisTeam, princesseyes and sis_bro_p.
Here some screenshots of the variables at the start of my episode 8 save game:
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So yeah those stats dont really matter at all for the goldilocks scene to happen.

It's been a minute for me; sounds like I mixed up goldilocks with princesseyes

 

[NukaCola]

Anyone know what choice and at what chapter I need to make to open Alessandra secret sub route?

 

[Akkarin69]

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[Silver_Crow117]

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well Tess is pretty much testing a death scene with the scene.. so it’s not going to be as developed as how some may want it… and k1 are supposed to be just extra scenes anyways for dead ends nothing more… als find it more interesting to see how Kane knowing is mother is alive will shape in the next part since Tess Character revealed it for the first time to sub Kane specifically k1

 

[MilesEdgeworth]

Anyone know what choice and at what chapter I need to make to open Alessandra secret sub route?

Don't remember the chapter but its the scene where you go to visit olivia but alessandra intercepts you, when you massage her, you have to choose to massage her feet.

well Tess is pretty much testing a death scene with the scene.. so it’s not going to be as developed as how some may want it… and k1 are supposed to be just extra scenes anyways for dead ends nothing more… als find it more interesting to see how Kane knowing is mother is alive will shape in the next part since Tess Character revealed it for the first time to sub Kane specifically k1

I doubt Kane will care enough to want to do anything about that reveal. He's either trying to save himself from the lower rungs, or he's in sexual heaven.

 

[Stan5851]

Well, what can I say, I've played 0.8.3 for the first time (so far, only 1 pass out of 10 of my save files.). It's late morning now, and my eyes are getting heavy, so there won't be any big reviews or analysis of all the nuances in this post.

However, I would be grateful if someone could tell me why my K9 Kane with 1 executive pts never got that exclusive bonus scene in the mansion, screenshots of which Tess has posted more than once. I played with URM and tried to keep track of what was happening, and I can say that the in-game successful check for the necessary conditions (K9 and 1 exec pts was done more than once), but in fact, nothing happened.

The first playthrough was GreyDom (32Good/7evil, romance with Liv, V and Dominique (evilromance). The race was won, Gemini belongs to me ...Lily is mine too.Does anyone know what the problem might be?

 

[Rowszix]

Anyone know what choice and at what chapter I need to make to open Alessandra secret sub route?

Don't remember the chapter but its the scene where you go to visit olivia but alessandra intercepts you, when you massage her, you have to choose to massage her feet.

This is correct, should be in chapter 4 as dom. But climbing up from K4 or K3 to K5 or K6 in the first Olivia ranking scene should also trigger the possibility for secretsub. In the Alessandra one on one pool scene you can decide if you want to follow it or not.

well Tess is pretty much testing a death scene with the scene.. so it’s not going to be as developed as how some may want it… and k1 are supposed to be just extra scenes anyways for dead ends nothing more… als find it more interesting to see how Kane knowing is mother is alive will shape in the next part since Tess Character revealed it for the first time to sub Kane specifically k1

Ähhm but you just said its basically extra scenes, so do you think it will actually be acknowledged that he knows outside of K1 scenes? And if K1 is meant as a dead end it also doesnt really change that much, except if you go K1 route for the game show and then move up after the game show again. It would be easier to just reveal that Callista lives to all sub Kane ranks before it becomes relevant again.

 

[akki_sky]

Well, what can I say, I've played 0.8.3 for the first time (so far, only 1 pass out of 10 of my save files.). It's late morning now, and my eyes are getting heavy, so there won't be any big reviews or analysis of all the nuances in this post.

However, I would be grateful if someone could tell me why my K9 Kane with 1 executive pts never got that exclusive bonus scene in the mansion, screenshots of which Tess has posted more than once. I played with URM and tried to keep track of what was happening, and I can say that the in-game successful check for the necessary conditions (K9 and 1 exec pts was done more than once), but in fact, nothing happened.

The first playthrough was GreyDom (32Good/7evil, romance with Liv, V and Dominique (evilromance). The race was won, Gemini belongs to me ...Lily is mine too.Does anyone know what the problem might be?

If you are talking about scenes with our slave/harem then got that in my evil path. I also played only that path, yet to play other paths. Problem could be if you are playing good path then you must have got scene of Veronica showing you around, I didn't see it in my evil path. So we must be getting one of this two scenes.

 

[NukaCola]

This is correct, should be in chapter 4 as dom. But climbing up from K4 or K3 to K5 or K6 in the first Olivia ranking scene should also trigger the possibility for secretsub. In the Alessandra one on one pool scene you can decide if you want to follow it or not.

Ähhm but you just said its basically extra scenes, so do you think it will actually be acknowledged that he knows outside of K1 scenes? And if K1 is meant as a dead end it also doesnt really change that much, except if you go K1 route for the game show and then move up after the game show again. It would be easier to just reveal that Callista lives to all sub Kane ranks before it becomes relevant again.

Thanks. I don't like Alessandra enough to go replay from chapter 4 but I will keep this in mind if for whatever reason I decide to start another new playthrough.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

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Ähhm but you just said its basically extra scenes, so do you think it will actually be acknowledged that he knows outside of K1 scenes? And if K1 is meant as a dead end it also doesnt really change that much, except if you go K1 route for the game show and then move up after the game show again. It would be easier to just reveal that Callista lives to all sub Kane ranks before it becomes relevant again.

I mean… you can still get out of k1 still… so the flexibility is still there… lol and I think it’s better this way since it gives unique moments to certain rankings for sub Kane… especially k1 (but eventually Kane at every level will know) and this death scene was to test certain things… it’s not gonna go crazy the 1st time around

 

[Stan5851]

If you are talking about scenes with our slave/harem then got that in my evil path. I also played only that path, yet to play other paths. Problem could be if you are playing good path then you must have got scene of Veronica showing you around, I didn't see it in my evil path. So we must be getting one of this two scenes.

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harsha_26 something tells me that you definitely got that exclusive scene. Any ideas how else to get it, besides the evil path?

 

[Rowszix]

I mean… you can still get out of k1 still… so the flexibility is still there… lol and I think it’s better this way since it gives unique moments to certain rankings for sub Kane… especially k1 and this death scene was to test certain things… it’s not gonna go crazy the 1st time around

Sure, I just think it would be easier to not really adress it that he knows it during the rest of the games. And then at the end of episode 8 or start of 9 just make the Callista reveal to all sub Kane ranks. So it's easier to not deal with yet another big fork, or maybe just put 1 or 2 dialog changes in. I mean sub Kane has no agency at all right now. So knowing it doesn't really change anything for him except knowing that his mother abandonend him in a hell hole...
I mean I would be positivly suprised if it really changes anything in the near future, I just don't really expect it.

And I get what you want to say about not going crazy but I still feel just a game over screen is kinda cheap (mostly because there are no game overs earlier in the game. If there were game overs like this from the start, it would feel more natural. Good example for what I mean would be "Shadow over Blackmoore", which has tons of intresting game overs ). But yeah, if Tess wants to handle the early death scenes like this, that's her decision. It's just hella anticlimatic in my opinion.

 

[hoochimama]

This time went for K4 to K3 with a good sub Kaine and evil olivia and I'm finding the sexual tease between sub Kaine and Olivia a lot more interesting than on the dom Kane path where they were basically fine with getting naked and sexual right next to each other from the getgo. There were a couple of scenes with olivia getting trained by or working out with kiyomi/other vipers along with kane & friends that were pure tease & denial for that ("she's so close, will she or won't she?").

Does Olivia ever tug or suck anyone other than Kane? Aside from getting her pussy licked by random dudes I've only spotted her briefly touching Seth's dick and putting Zach's cockcage between her tits during those viper workout sessions. Any full on BG sex?

At K3 (and I assume all the other sub ranks) it's a bit of a shame how some characters like Veronica say you actually enjoy being a sub/getting dommed, doesn't seem to allow you much of a roleplaying opportunity to just say all that shit is being forced on you.

 

[Silver_Crow117]

Sure, I just think it would be easier to not really adress it that he knows it during the rest of the games. And then at the end of episode 8 or start of 9 just make the Callista reveal to all sub Kane ranks. So it's easier to not deal with yet another big fork, or maybe just put 1 or 2 dialog changes in. I mean sub Kane has no agency at all right now. So knowing it doesn't really change anything for him except knowing that his mother abandonend him in a hell hole...
I mean I would be positivly suprised if it really changes anything in the near future, I just don't really expect it.

And I get what you want to say about not going crazy but I still feel just a game over screen is kinda cheap (mostly because there are no game overs earlier in the game. If there were game overs like this from the start, it would feel more natural. Good example for what I mean would be "Shadow over Blackmoore", which has tons of intresting game overs ). But yeah, if Tess wants to handle the early death scenes like this, that's her decision. It's just hella anticlimatic in my opinion.

I think the k1 scene is fine for what it is, testing the waters, not going full throttle, that’s normal for a creator introducing “dead ends” like this just to see how the reception is, so I’m not putting that much stock into it, so I didn’t personally disapprove of it.

but that’s just me and honestly I kinda like the differences of knowing a certain thing based on criteria… for know k1 Kane is the only one the knows Callista is alive, in which being more opportunities for something unique to happen that you might not see in the other rankings… I mean k1/2 different than k3 and k3 will be different than k4 in the future… and just cuz he has no agency now doesn’t mean he won’t have it in the future…

 

[f96zonetrooper]

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However, I would be grateful if someone could tell me why my K9 Kane with 1 executive pts never got that exclusive bonus scene in the mansion, screenshots of which Tess has posted more than once. I played with URM and tried to keep track of what was happening, and I can say that the in-game successful check for the necessary conditions (K9 and 1 exec pts was done more than once), but in fact, nothing happened.

The first playthrough was GreyDom (32Good/7evil, romance with Liv, V and Dominique (evilromance). The race was won, Gemini belongs to me ...Lily is mine too.Does anyone know what the problem might be?

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[Rowszix]

This time went for K4 to K3 with a good sub Kaine and evil olivia and I'm finding the sexual tease between sub Kaine and Olivia a lot more interesting than on the dom Kane path where they were basically fine with getting naked and sexual right next to each other from the getgo. There were a couple of scenes with olivia getting trained by or working out with kiyomi/other vipers along with kane & friends that were pure tease & denial for that ("she's so close, will she or won't she?").

How far does Olivia go sexually with men other than Kane? Aside from getting her pussy licked by random slaves I've only spotted her briefly touching Seth's dick and putting Zach's cockcage between her tits during those viper workout sessions. Does she ever tug or suck anyone other than Kane? Any full on BG sex?

At K3 (and I assume all the other sub ranks) it's a bit of a shame how some characters like Veronica say you actually enjoy being a sub/getting dommed, doesn't seem to allow you much of a roleplaying opportunity to just say all that shit is being forced on you.

Aside from pegging guys or getting licked there is nothing for Olivia with other guys yet (aside from trampling and stuff). Not even with sub Kane. And yes the game sometimes implies that K4 or lower rank Kane is a sub. Answers were he can actually call out bullshit or defy somebody are extremly rare and very often not received well. Most dommes seem to want complete obedience, not intelligent slaves. Veronica is a rare exception here in the first clinic scene, in which Kane actually can confront her that getting obedience through pain is pretty cheap and she agrees with him ... but afterwards it is basically always getting obedience through pain or threat of downranking which implies his death longterm .
You could argue that Dominique wants a more intelligent Kane in the Junko pet route, but I think that is more intelligence + extreme obedience to her. And good Olivia tells him that she likes it when he actually speaks his mind sometimes, but only when she is kinda sure nobody listens to them right now.
Even though it is still very rare that we see thinking from him where he actually enjoys something, exceptions are of course when his dick is actually involved, but that could also just be natural reaction to stimulation . The big outliner here is the Veronica sub romance scene that he definetly enjoys.

I think the k1 scene is fine for what it is, testing the waters, not going full throttle, that’s normal for a creator introducing “dead ends” like this just to see how the reception is, so I’m not putting that much stock into it, so I didn’t personally disapprove of it.

but that’s just me and honestly I kinda like the differences of knowing a certain thing based on criteria… for know k1 Kane is the only one the knows Callista is alive, in which being more opportunities for something unique to happen that you might not see in the other rankings… I mean k1/2 different than k3 and k3 will be different than k4 in the future… and just cuz he has no agency now doesn’t mean he won’t have it in the future…

Happy to disagree here with your first point. But overall the K1 stuff is not what I really enjoy. Not the biggest fan of dying and stuff . I mostly watch it for my completionist brain. I just hoped it would invovle more infos about what is happening besides his death, but yeah maybe that will change in the future.

And I guess he will get agency later in the game and of course it is an intresting twist that K1 Kane actually has more informations than any higher ranked Kane. The question is just if anything will happen with this information.