VN Ren'Py Abandoned Kindread: The Redburns [Ch. 5] [Inkalicious]

[anwar]

Any walkthrough available?

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

OK time to give this a try... Note my opinions are opinions and not everyone will agree with me and that's ok.

• First off Love the concept, apocalypse as a setting where the supernatural are not sexual.
• Also I LOVE that fact that there are different body sizes for the mother and daughter.
• Saying that, the size of the daughters tits change sizes... Sometimes they are medium sized others they are HUGE.
• Player named character. A warning sign of a generic, blank, hallow, shallow character.
• Faceless main character. A warning sign of a generic, blank, hallow, shallow character. So people can imagine themselves as the character, While that isn't bad... I personally do not enjoy it.
• So the plot is trying to give the main character some flavor, but the flavor is of a perv. While that isn't wrong, I personally don't like role playing an arrogant, pervy, and stupid character. Ohh and add pathetic to the list.
• The writing seems to be proper grammar and syntax. Nice Job.
• Saying that, the writing feels juvenile to me. Like this game is targeted at young boys who have never really interacted with women. Personally I like women to act like women... Same goes for the main character who doesn't act like a man either.
• There feels like a lack of player agency. This feels like a story and not a game.
• So the incest patch is that you are their brother/son. The writing for this doesn't feel natural. Mom wouldn't act like that to her son, sister wouldn't act that way to her brother. The son would act that way to either of them as well.
• If the incest patch isnt installed, then the mom doesn't make any sense. If you are just a random dude boy that are grouping with them, then the usage of guilt wouldn't really mean as much. Also it treats you as a family, so without the patch this goes from dumb, to confusing and inconsistent.
• 3 frame animations are disappointing. Use more stills or make fluid animations, but not cheap 3 frame animations.
• Huge dick is see as worship worthy. You only see this in porn. Talk to a man with a huge dick, or a women who has taken one... I guess this is a porn game, but it's one thing to have exaggerated tits/dick and another to worship them in dialogue.

I don't want to be mean to the creator, but I'm disappointed. This is not a game, this is basically an almost linear visual novel. We dont get to choose anything. What happens If I don't want to fuck my mom... or my sisters? To bad, you HAVE to. Your actions have no consequences since you end up at the same spot no matter what you pick. Play good girl gone bad, and see how this type of game should be. Player chooses to be a creep or not. Player chooses who to fuck knowing that it will piss off the other person. Also the incest is not done well. There is no fixing this games problems anymore.



I can see people loving this game, but to me 2.5/5 which I will round up to a 3. Only play if you like incest and you don't mind people acting out of character.

Ok, I feel like this post is not gonna get a lot of support so I'll say I don't disagree with some of those points. In fact, I was thinking some things really made the game more depressing than hot at times, when I played the earlier version.

However, there are romance bits and I think the game can have some form of happy ending. Even if the main character is sort of unlikable. Or was, I'm waiting to know if the game gets "happier" or unfortunately it will be too upsetting to me. I also agree that non incest doesn't make a lot of sense.

Everything else I sort of don't agree though. I think the game's well written, interesting characters. Pretty hot scenes (even if the context isn't always ideal). The rest I either think is a good thing to me or don't mind. Can't really blame you, I guess I would prefer more choices over who I fuck and how nice/mean to them I can be. I don't think it makes the game bad though.

I honestly think this is a very good game, just not what I'm personally looking for, maybe. Hoping I find out I'm wrong eventually though. Still keeping it on my radar.

Obviously how much of a creation is a game and how much is a novel will vary, both by creator and creation. That said, the general feel of the game should clue you in to what to expect. I'm not disagreeing with anyone's points in particular; I'm just expressing an opinion of where it seems the disconnect may be coming from.

I realize that a visual novel is technically a game, but for the purposes of my comments here:

• visual novel: a creation that is somewhere around 60%–80% novel and only 20%–40% game
• game: any creation that is less than 60% novel, with the balance being a game
• kinetic novel: a creation that is no more than 20% game, possibly having no gaming at all

So if a thread's description mentions important choices, don't expect a kinetic novel. If the description seems to indicate a lot of management mechanics (relationship levels, health, money, etc.), I would tend to think it was not a visual novel, either.

For instance, Lust Epidemic does not have the [VN] label; while there is definitely an overall story, there is way too much actual gaming (wandering, acquiring / finding items, following a series of steps, etc.) for it to really be considered a visual novel. Long Live the Princess is another great example. I think both of these games are great, but neither of them are really a visual novel. In fact, I believe there are several games on F95 that are mislabeled with [VN] when they shouldn't be. (Just my opinion, ofc.)

Conversely, creations like Yakuza Girls or Amore Tech have no or virtually no choices or resource management. IMO they are both solidly kinetic novels (I also believe Amore Tech should have the [VN] label removed since it doesn't have enough choice to really qualify as a virtual novel. Anyway, moving on.)

When there is a very heavily story-driven game, but choices are sprinkled throughout and/or there is a moderate (but not excessive) amount of micromanagement needed, it's probably a virtual novel.

So, in a situation like Kindread, I think a lot of the frustration some express may boil down to the fact that, while a visual novel is still technically a game, it's easy to forget the novel part of it. If there's not enough interaction, people tend to think of it as not being interactive enough, when it's really not supposed to be that much of a game.

When choices are made, so long as they have an impact (even if only eventually), it still feels like a game. But a visual novel is in reality supposed to feel more like something between a kinetic novel and a Choose Your Own Adventure book from days of yore. Based on the description of Kindread, I wouldn't expect that many gaming elements.

 

[inkalicious]

Hello and welcome to the Kindread FAQ.

I'll add to this as time goes on, but hopefully it'll answer some of the recurring questions that are appearing again and again and again. Recurring so hard.

How many Chapters will there be?
I don't know. The whole volume is written, but Chapters are decided by

• Ending on a good cliffhanger or a significant plot shift
• Available time to produce the images

Chapters are not an equal length or contain the same number of choices.

Is there an Android version?
I don't make one, but others do. If they do, it'll be added to the OP.

Differences between the Standard and Family Editions?
The Standard Edition has the MC as part of a small group.
The Family Edition has the MC as the son/brother in a family unit with his mom and sister.

If you play the Standard Edition, you should understand that they are not strangers or simply just friends.
They are a tight-knit group who knew each other before and have now lived through the end of the world together. They are still experiencing a daily struggle to stay alive, together. They love each other, but the mc has caused... issues.

Which one is canon?
My first intention was to write a family-orientated story, but very soon I realised that I was more interested in the player forming their own thoughts of the group (Neighbours? Teacher and students? Landlady and stepkids?)
The split in editions happened as it was proving difficult to manage both options within one version.

In the Family Edition, the younger girl sometimes uses her Mom's name
This is intentional as she thinks it shows maturity to treat her Mom as a peer. However she'll use 'Mom' by accident, in emotional moments or when she's wanting something.

He is such a dick!
Yes. That's the whole point. At the beginning.
I play a lot of VNs and, at the time of writing, they focused on the horny unstoppable MC wooing/corrupting the love interests by spying, sneaking, accidental fumbles, playing with them in their sleep. Spoilers now... The VN's starting point is that you've done all the sneaking, snooping etc. but instead of wooing them, you now are regarded as a creep and perhaps even as a danger. So while you're still thinking with your dick, the girls have their own agenda and circumstances rapidly change. However, have you got what you wanted and can you keep it?

This isn't a VN, choices don't matter.
Hopefully you're looking back from later Chapters and wondering 'Huh? Obviously choices matter.', and you're right. However in the initial Chapters your story was mainly driven by the other characters motivations.
I'm also a big fan of subtle changes, however there are major choices and you might not see the results until much later.

But it seems pretty linear.
I'd love to give you all the choices in the world, but I think you'd appreciate that I focus on producing plot lines and paths that make more sense and are used more.
The aim of this VN is to get the girls. And keep everyone alive. Unless you like them ripe... but not in the good way.

Harem ending?
The aim of the game is to get the girls. However... Not every girl you meet/insert your penis into will be available for a harem. People come and go.
For this reason I'm not saying it's a harem game. If I do that, and a random girl gets munched by the undead, it'll all be "YOU LIED TO US! I CAN'T HAVE A HAREM WITH JUST HER LITTLE TOE!"

Releases are taking soooooo long. Why?
This is a hobby and it's just me. If I'm lucky, I only have a few hours during the week to work on this. I'm going to keep going, but the pace is dictated by work, life and work.

When's the next update?
There are no release deadlines.
I've given deadlines before and that simply seemed to encourage Fate to aim its glittery chocolate starfish at my plans. I'll update when I feel there's update material, but no release deadlines. No siree.

Can I throw a dollar at you?
Thank you. However there's no need, although I really appreciate the thought.
If you're still feeling generous, I have a Buy Me A Coffee page and you can find it

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I also have a Patreon page, but please do not pledge to it. I do not collect funds from it and all of the content is available here on F95.

 

[Wesieboy56]

do we have to put in the incest patch at every new version ?

 

[inkalicious]

do we have to put in the incest patch at every new version ?

Afraid so. It replaces specific dialogue for that version.

And yep, I could've coded it, and did.
There were early versions where you could assign relationships, etc, but feedback said it was too much hassle (though everyone's doing it now) and I also hated the dialogue knots I would create just to make it work with and without sexy family bonding time.

 

[Wesieboy56]

Afraid so. It replaces specific dialogue for that version.

And yep, I could've coded it, and did.
There were early versions where you could assign relationships, etc, but feedback said it was too much hassle (though everyone's doing it now) and I also hated the dialogue knots I would create just to make it work with and without sexy family bonding time.

thats fine just making sure, thanks for the update

 

[JohnJG]

This is one of the best on this site. The scenario of Zombie post apocalyptic is all very familiar, but the well developed dialogue and character relationships make it well above average. It's well paced and the humour helps.

The developer can take his time with this, because the result is well worth the wait.

 

[loewe]

Not a fan of nipple piercings, but this game is way awesome. Definitely a fan already.

 

[DA22]

Hello and welcome to the Kindread FAQ.

I'll add to this as time goes on, but hopefully it'll answer some of the recurring questions that are appearing again and again and again. Recurring so hard.

How many Chapters will there be?
I don't know. The whole volume is written, but Chapters are decided by

• Ending on a good cliffhanger or a significant plot shift
• Available time to produce the images

Chapters are not an equal length or contain the same number of choices.

Is there an Android version?
I don't make one, but others do. If they do, it'll be added to the OP.

Is there a walkthrough?
There is a walkthrough and it's released to patrons (more on patrons later).
Here are some things revealed in the thread. Serious spoilers ahead....

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Incest patch or not?
This is up to you. The incest patch is self-explanatory and it'll create a family unit of mom, daughter/sister with the mc as son/brother.
If you play without the patch, you should understand that they are not strangers or simply just friends. They are a tight-knit group who have lived through the end of the world together. They are still experiencing a daily struggle to stay alive, together. They love each other, but the mc has caused... issues.

In the incest patch, the younger girl sometimes uses her Mom's name
This is intentional as she thinks it shows maturity to treat her Mom as a peer. However she'll use 'Mom' by accident, in emotional moments or when she's wanting something.

This isn't a VN, choices don't matter.
Hopefully you're looking back from later Chapters and wondering 'Huh? Obviously choices matter.', and you're right. However in the initial Chapters your story was mainly driven by the other characters motivations.
I'm also a big fan of subtle changes, however there are major choices and you might not see the results until much later.

But it seems pretty linear.
I'd love to give you all the choices in the world, but I think you'd appreciate that I focus on producing plot lines and paths that make more sense and are used more.
The aim of this VN is to get the girls. And keep everyone alive. Unless you like them ripe... but not in the good way.

Releases are taking soooooo long. Why?
It's just me and, if I'm lucky, I only have a few hours during the week or a bit of the weekend to work on this. I'm going to keep going, but the pace is dictated by work, life and work.
NO MORE RELEASE DEADLINES. *ahem* Sorry, that was more for me than you.
I've given deadlines before and that simply seemed to encourage Fate to aim its glittery chocolate starfish at my plans. I'll update when I feel there's update material, but no release deadlines. No siree.

Can I throw a dollar at you?
Thank you. I really appreciate the thought, but I'm not accepting any funds right now.
I do have a Patreon page, but please do not pledge to it. It's simply there to honour commitments to original patrons. I do not collect funds from it.

Thank you, enjoyed your game and had wished I had read it before my last play. Only slight thing I missed, but see now that I might have made a wrong choice earlier. Was the option when they were waiting after the cafe for the son to make a dominant move and give to the mom by fingering her or eating her out instead as the other way around. You can also dominate and give. On the whole enjoyable update though. Thanks.

 

[Aeneasc]

Most of you don't know me because I'm lazy af and don't post stuff frequently, however, I played hundreds of games by now but feel that I have to recommend this one to everyone that is into mother-son stuff.

Off course, this zombie apocalypse stuff is a well known scenario. Fockn zombies everywhere, trapped girls and a MC that uses his chance to corrupt them - nothing new. However, the point is that I (personally) feel that this game is quite well made. In the beginning the whole incest corruption stuff develops quite slowly since the MC fucked up badly and everyone is worried because of his fucked up perv mind, however, the corruption process regarding his mom feels somehow oddly 'natural' since she acts quite strict and wont just simply allow MC to move on to hardcore stuff. Because of that every babystep of corruptions feels really intense.

I'm not really convinved of the sister content tho, things happen way to fast and I don't like that she is such a perv, but if you are into some really nice mother-son content you should really play this game!

 

[DA22]

Most of you don't know me because I'm lazy af and don't post stuff frequently, however, I played hundreds of games by now but feel that I have to recommend this one to everyone that is into mother-son stuff.

Off course, this zombie apocalypse stuff is a well known scenario. Fockn zombies everywhere, trapped girls and a MC that uses his chance to corrupt them - nothing new. However, the point is that I (personally) feel that this game is quite well made. In the beginning the whole incest corruption stuff develops quite slowly since the MC fucked up badly and everyone is worried because of his fucked up perv mind, however, the corruption process regarding his mom feels somehow oddly 'natural' since she acts quite strict and wont just simply allow MC to move on to hardcore stuff. Because of that every babystep of corruptions feels really intense.

I'm not really convinved of the sister content tho, things happen way to fast and I don't like that she is such a perv, but if you are into some really nice mother-son content you should really play this game!

Well as an excuse, she nor he do have many other targets for their hormones they could trust. This does make it more believable I would say. Further agreed with your remarks.

 

[DrDerpington]

...I'm not really convinved of the sister content tho, things happen way to fast and I don't like that she is such a perv...

Dude, seriously you lack imagination.
Teenagers think about sex almost all the time. Now imagine what happens when you are sex starved teenager while rest of the world goes to shit and you are left only with your sibling. Thinks are guaranteed to turn into strange direction.
I think sister has very believable attitude.

Anyway its a really good game.

 

[Catherine♡]

Wtf, the girl (Sam) is mad at Mc one day and in the another day is sitting on his lap with her breasts sticking out? What I don't understand here?

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

Wtf, the girl (Sam) is mad at Mc one day and in the another day is sitting on his lap with her breasts sticking out? What I don't understand here?

I don't think she was ever actually mad at the MC. I think she was feeling guilty about her habit of molesting the MC in his sleep, so she became irritable and would burst out in anger at the MC. But she wasn't really mad at him; after all, she was doing worse to him than he ever did to her.

 

[TheCrimsonRevenger]

Dude, seriously you lack imagination.
Teenagers think about sex almost all the time. Now imagine what happens when you are sex starved teenager while rest of the world goes to shit and you are left only with your sibling. Thinks are guaranteed to turn into strange direction.
I think sister has very believable attitude.

Anyway its a really good game.

Respectfully, if you think it's "guaranteed"...I...I really hope you don't have any RL siblings. lol.

Semi-plausible if all parties involved were deeply disturbed to begin with? Sure. I can get on board with that.

Much, much more plausible if it's a Step/Adopted Sister. Which is how I prefer to think of it.

 

[DrDerpington]

Respectfully, if you think it's "guaranteed"...I...I really hope you don't have any RL siblings. lol.

Semi-plausible if all parties involved were deeply disturbed to begin with? Sure. I can get on board with that.

Much, much more plausible if it's a Step/Adopted Sister. Which is how I prefer to think of it.

So you think there is absolutely no way to things turn weird during fucking APOCALYPSE, when you can die at any moment??!!
Dude, seriously, dont try to apply "common sense" (normal logic) in apocalypse fiction. Its similar to people seriously claiming "I would rather starve to death than to eat insect or rat meat!" People, who claimed that, have never suffered real hunger in their life. Also people eat insects and rats around the world and they are still fine. That's why that kind of logic is really hollow.

 

[JeffMyNamess]

inkalicious I fucking love you man. Amazing shit.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

So you think there is absolutely no way to things turn weird during fucking APOCALYPSE, when you can die at any moment??!!
Dude, seriously, dont try to apply "common sense" (normal logic) in apocalypse fiction. Its similar to people seriously claiming "I would rather starve to death than to eat insect or rat meat!" People, who claimed that, have never suffered real hunger in their life. Also people eat insects and rats around the world and they are still fine. That's why that kind of logic is really hollow.

I agree. I think the characters' responses to each other are totally possible. WTH knows what kind of things run through your brain in those situations, especially if you're young and horny? And if you figure that probably literally everyone else in the entire world (except those you're already with) is untrustworthy, wouldn't you eventually try to get intimate with the people you spend the most time with?

Also, I think an important point to make here is that these three have a fairly long history together. It's not as if these feelings just suddenly appeared. Sam revealed she's been getting intimate — without permission — for a while now. The MC clearly has been struggling with feelings of intimacy, obviously if the girls were tempted to kick him from the group. And Megan? Oh, beautiful Megan! She's been playing the tough adult, but it's incredibly obvious she has a lot pent up inside. I find their feelings towards each other completely logical.

 

[JoleenStar]

I did not know what to expect when I grabbed this; so glad I did.

It's REALLY hot and well written.

 

[Twelvemonkey]

I did not know what to expect when I grabbed this; so glad I did.

It's REALLY hot and well written.

This post made me curious as to try this game, downloading now. Didn't know what to expect too right now.