VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.1] [Hreinn Games]

[Viressa]

One of the rules of writing erotica is to always stick to what you personally find hot. If you try to write a kink you don't have, the quality of your work won't be nearly as good. I assume this applies to art as well and Nomo understands this.

Honestly I think her titties are too small, but my objection is that armor she's wearing. That has to hurt like *hell* to wear, and it's laughably ineffective as protection. She's also too... Okay so when I first heard of Kira I imagined this hardass bandit queen, but the design we got instead is something that seems designed primarily not to intimidate straight boys.

Just let us have proper hard butch dykes, fantasy genre. Give her some actual muscles, a nice scar, and for Christ's sake skip the eyeshadow.

 

[souldead341]

Honestly I think her titties are too small, but my objection is that armor she's wearing. That has to hurt like *hell* to wear, and it's laughably ineffective as protection. She's also too... Okay so when I first heard of Kira I imagined this hardass bandit queen, but the design we got instead is something that seems designed primarily not to intimidate straight boys.

Lets be fair, none of the "armor" or other outfits for the female characters in this is useful as actual protection. They all fall very squarely into the fantasy porn / softcore armor category.

As for the character depiction not matching the description for Kira, yeah I agree that they seem off.

 

[Viressa]

The only outfits in the game (aside from Kira's) that are even pretending to be armor are the Leather Armor/Heavy Leather Armor and the Orc Slave Armor. The Orc Slave Armor is basically explicitly stated to be a silly skimpy fantasy armor on purpose, and the Heavy/Leather armor is explicitly cobbled-together from scraps. Neve is sorta-kinda wearing armor, but not really? It's mostly cloth except for those pointless bracers. The value of the metal bits are the magic thingamabobs that give her her powers, and not to deflect blows.

A subtle point that often gets lost in the discourse is that it's not the sexiness of the lady characters that's the problem, it's the context in which that sexiness is used. (I mean, there are SWERFs who really do just want no sexy ladies to be seen anywhere ever, but fuck those people.) You can make outfits as skimpy as you want when the point of the outfit, in universe, is to be sexually appealing, or to be a state of undress.

It's not *great*, but it's much better than the female outfit design for most fantasy RPGs that aren't porn games, which is immensely depressing when you think about it. Kira's outfit bucks this trend and is just "lol let's give her a metal corset and panties."

I'm ranting about this more than it deserves, and ironically this just proves the point I keep making about patreon and trying to please your fans. If you gave Kira a design that I'd like, one with big muscles, short hair, a gnarly set of scars, and a tin can set of full plate, not only would it be a design that Nomo probably wouldn't enjoy drawing but it'd probably also piss off the people who just want to slap her in irons and pimp her out in the relief tents.

 

[ponyguy]

...big muscles, short hair, a gnarly set of scars...

Mmm, if she looked like that I'd want to slap her in irons and pimp her out in the relief tents even more than I do now.

 

[Viressa]

Mmm, if she looked like that I'd want to slap her in irons and pimp her out in the relief tents even more than I do now.

 

[random.person]

One of the rules of writing erotica is to always stick to what you personally find hot. If you try to write a kink you don't have, the quality of your work won't be nearly as good. I assume this applies to art as well and Nomo understands this.

Honestly I think her titties are too small, but my objection is that armor she's wearing. That has to hurt like *hell* to wear, and it's laughably ineffective as protection. She's also too... Okay so when I first heard of Kira I imagined this hardass bandit queen, but the design we got instead is something that seems designed primarily not to intimidate straight boys.

Just let us have proper hard butch dykes, fantasy genre. Give her some actual muscles, a nice scar, and for Christ's sake skip the eyeshadow.

I kind of respected your point of view until the eyeshadow shaming.

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Now, to play the devil's advocate, the last update did present her in the words of the brigands as some really hot chick. So it stands to reason that she indeed dresses seductively. Maybe she enjoys arousing her men and then punishing them for having gotten aroused.
But of course the real reason is the one you already stated. People want sexyness and don't care for proper worldbuilding. Which is probably why Sierra departed from the project.

 

[Wyrdsmithe]

I fully agree with Viressa on this point. A hardass bandit leader who cares not a whit if someone lives or dies and terrifies the shit out of people should look like she can actually deliver a spear thrust with some power behind it. Hell, armor can be done to enhance the appearance of its wearer but still actually offer protection. As it is, this definitely just seems like pandering to the desire for various fetish bases to stick in the tents or whatnot, and not actually create interesting story and characters alongside.

As far as eyeliner, that's honestly one of the lesser problems in my opinion - warriors dressing themselves up like that absolutely happened. One could also take it further and make it into full on war paint, perhaps in the shape of magical runes that confer greater strength and endurance.

 

[RNDM]

Some warrior classes made a *point* of going into battle well groomed if at all possible - a sort of "leave a good looking corpse/enter the afterlife looking your finest" type of idea. And then you had the plain old individual weirdos and eccentrics with God-knows-what quirky affectations...

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

There is no point arguing about this now. Kinda obvious that they would change the game focus to a more "sexual corruption" rather than "sex with story" now that Sierra left.

 

[Asdferman]

There is no point arguing about this now. Kinda obvious that they would change the game focus to a more "sexual corruption" rather than "sex with story" now that Sierra left.

Does anyone know why sierra left? can't find any info on it anywhere.
Also, is sierra working on anything else at the moment besides TLS?

 

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Does anyone know why sierra left? can't find any info on it anywhere.
Also, is sierra working on anything else at the moment besides TLS?

There were creative differences. (I haven't even tried KoD as of yet since her departure several versions ago.) In addition to TLS, Sierra has been busy releasing several novels. I don't recall any other game she is currently working on off the top of my head besides TLS.

Edit: Here's her blog site for her SFW pseudonym:

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. My understanding is that these novels are, in fact, game books--literature RPGs like those old school adventure books (such as Lone Wolf) with some light stat tracking or it might something simpler like pick-an-option and turn to so-and-so page CYOA books.

 

[Lameknan]

Can someone give sub sabie save at the begining of 0.7.3 please?

 

[I Love These Games]

@Viressa Can you help me to install all of your mods? How does your mod work?

 

[Viressa]

@Viressa Can you help me to install all of your mods? How does your mod work?

If there's a /game folder inside the zip file, merge that with the /game folder in your KOD install. If there's no /game folder, drop everything in the zip into your /game folder in your KOD install. (I really should have designed the mods to all be installed the same way, sorry for the confusion.)

 

[Hourglass]

@Viressa I really like your Fanfic-Mod. It adds a lot of what i would like to see in the game.
May I ask when you plan to release the next one?

 

[I Love These Games]

If there's a /game folder inside the zip file, merge that with the /game folder in your KOD install. If there's no /game folder, drop everything in the zip into your /game folder in your KOD install. (I really should have designed the mods to all be installed the same way, sorry for the confusion.)

I think I did it, love it. I am also looking for more of your work!

 

[Viressa]

@Viressa I really like your Fanfic-Mod. It adds a lot of what i would like to see in the game.
May I ask when you plan to release the next one?

I was planning to release 0.5 like, two weeks ago, but a thing that happens to me is I get into these depressive spells where I just go days, sometimes weeks, where I just can't produce anything creatively to save my life. Never hire me for anything with strict deadlines. It doesn't help that I planned for this update to be really big, bigger than all the previous updates put together. At this point I should probably just cut it in half, finish up the ones that are mostly done, and leave the others for a 0.6 version.

 

[I Love These Games]

I was planning to release 0.5 like, two weeks ago, but a thing that happens to me is I get into these depressive spells where I just go days, sometimes weeks, where I just can't produce anything creatively to save my life. Never hire me for anything with strict deadlines. It doesn't help that I planned for this update to be really big, bigger than all the previous updates put together. At this point I should probably just cut it in half, finish up the ones that are mostly done, and leave the others for a 0.6 version.

Can you at least give us a sneak peak what to expect in the new version

 

[Viressa]

Planned scene list, assuming I release everything and don't cut it down for the sake of getting it out faster:

A romantic date with Rokgrid
Tekrok gives Sabia to his men for a gangbang (two scenes, sub and dom Sabia variants)
A special promotion at the bar, Sabia brings in more customers
A Neve/Sabia tentacle scene
Vehlis domination, part 2

 

[Hourglass]

I was planning to release 0.5 like, two weeks ago, but a thing that happens to me is I get into these depressive spells where I just go days, sometimes weeks, where I just can't produce anything creatively to save my life. Never hire me for anything with strict deadlines. It doesn't help that I planned for this update to be really big, bigger than all the previous updates put together. At this point I should probably just cut it in half, finish up the ones that are mostly done, and leave the others for a 0.6 version.

No pressure. Just wanted to let you know that the fanfic-scenes are awesome