VN Ren'Py Abandoned Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[frostpaw]

Spoiler: Kingdom of Deception 0.8 Release on 10th

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I hope they can implement those statements in reality. For now I canceled my patreon support and see where things go.
Personally I think patreon is a good place for creators and artists to get money they deserve, but this shouldnt be abused.

 

[psycohunter96]

The focus on the tents and shaman arc is the only thing that might make me have faith again. Also it seems like this will have more scenes? What do ou guys think?

 

[souldead341]

The focus on the tents and shaman arc is the only thing that might make me have faith again. Also it seems like this will have more scenes? What do ou guys think?

I'll believe there's more scenes when i see it. In all likelyhood this's going to have the same 3ish scenes as every other update.

Also, they're taking a long time to finish being a "newly formed dev team" after sierra's departure. She was officially announced as having left in December, after actually leaving "a few months ago", which gives us about 7 months. Personally it seems like there's been plenty of time to stop being a new dev team, especially with the monthly payment plan they're on.

 

[twitterpation]

Does anybody know why Sierra Lee left Hreinn anyway? Feels like her departure basically killed any progress they were making

 

[souldead341]

Does anybody know why Sierra Lee left Hreinn anyway? Feels like her departure basically killed any progress they were making

Well, the post said it was over "creative differences" from several long conversations (

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t). If I personally had to guess, Sierra wanted more of a story focus, while Nomo was going more stereotypical porn story. Pure speculation on my part, just based on the general feeling of the post Sierra updates.

 

[MrNicolas]

Good game and a lot of content.

 

[yaboipapi]

Well, the post said it was over "creative differences" from several long conversations (

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t). If I personally had to guess, Sierra wanted more of a story focus, while Nomo was going more stereotypical porn story. Pure speculation on my part, just based on the general feeling of the post Sierra updates.

If I have to hazard a guess, one wanted an in-depth story on Sabia navigating the politics of the orc tribe and one wanted to pander to as many fetishes as they possibly could to better milk the patreons.

Or maybe i'm just full of shit.

 

[twitterpation]

Well, the post said it was over "creative differences" from several long conversations (

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t). If I personally had to guess, Sierra wanted more of a story focus, while Nomo was going more stereotypical porn story. Pure speculation on my part, just based on the general feeling of the post Sierra updates.

Well that's a shame. I really thought the her writing and Nomo's artwork was a perfect combo D:

 

[TheMagister]

If I have to hazard a guess, one wanted an in-depth story on Sabia navigating the politics of the orc tribe and one wanted to pander to as many fetishes as they possibly could to better milk the patreons.

Or maybe i'm just full of shit.

You are full of shit. Seriously. We on a "Sierra da bes" streak now, after we went through a "Sierra sux Sabia should just be taking all the dicks every update!!!!!" a 100 pages back? Make up your fucking mind. It's genuinely hilarious to see this thread after having had to sit through that part of the thread.

 

[Anmitsu]

I'm fully behind the idea of Sabia having as many dicks, as many kind of dicks and as often as possible. Vehlis, Neve, Tyra and especially Lynn are welcome as well. Not so happy with orc females or retarded furries like Kia, cat girls are fine tho but not as fine as humans (yes, I know Neve is an elf). Truth be told no matter how good the story was I wouldn't bother playing it if not for the outstanding art. I'm the porn guy after all and I'm sure there're many people like myself.

 

[Viressa]

You are full of shit. Seriously. We on a "Sierra da bes" streak now, after we went through a "Sierra sux Sabia should just be taking all the dicks every update!!!!!" a 100 pages back? Make up your fucking mind. It's genuinely hilarious to see this thread after having had to sit through that part of the thread.

Pretty much all of the Sierra haters decided they'd had enough and packed up around the time 0.6 came out. Aside from that, it's a bit of a "the grass is always greener" effect: We couldn't know, then, what the game would be like if Sierra were replaced with a new writer, just as we can't know, now, what the game would be like if she'd stayed on. But it's always easy for this hypothetical game in our heads to be better than the reality we have.

(And for the record, I've supported Sierra since I got into this game and haven't changed my stance on her.)

 

[yaboipapi]

You are full of shit. Seriously. We on a "Sierra da bes" streak now, after we went through a "Sierra sux Sabia should just be taking all the dicks every update!!!!!" a 100 pages back? Make up your fucking mind. It's genuinely hilarious to see this thread after having had to sit through that part of the thread.

Full of shit it is then..

 

[RNDM]

You are full of shit. Seriously. We on a "Sierra da bes" streak now, after we went through a "Sierra sux Sabia should just be taking all the dicks every update!!!!!" a 100 pages back? Make up your fucking mind. It's genuinely hilarious to see this thread after having had to sit through that part of the thread.

I am unsure why you're talking like those positions are/were held by the same people rather than different parts of the fanbase... Incidentally, the prevalence of the "all the diccs" crowd in this very thread is exactly what leads me to suspect yabo may well be on to something as there's no obvious and inherent reason to assume a vocal analog doesn't also exist among the actual paying backers.

 

[FlipFish]

I see it's time for the Sierra circlejerk again.

Is she a decent writer? Sure, in the context of western porn games. But that's like saying she's the greatest basketball player in a court full of midgets. People acting like she's the Tolkien of porn games need to relax. The reason for this game's downward spiral isn't her absence, it's the lack of communication between the devs and their supporters where they would go months without a check in on top of adding scenes that literally nobody asked for like all the shit with the catgirls while giving the main attraction of this game (Sabia) barely new content. It was like that even before she left too.

 

[Retromancer]

From that full Patreon post about Sierra leaving "It might surprise to some to learn that all of the characters, most of the story and plot, history and backstory, as well as even some of the speech patterns of characters are also my creation." That's from Nomo. So any hatred towards the catgirls or Kia rests squarely on him. With Sierra leaving and the communication issues still not resolved, it's also pretty clear where the blame for that lies. I really like Sierra so I am biased but it seems pretty clear that a lot of the issues with the game people have cannot be laid on her. Would the game be better with her? I think so, but only marginally because the same problems would exist if she was still on the team. Her leaving didn't ruin the project - but it may have saved it because now people can rightly direct the blame where it needs to go, and maybe, finally, the person responsible may listen and respond

 

[RNDM]

I see it's time for the Sierra circlejerk again.

Is she a decent writer? Sure, in the context of western porn games. But that's like saying she's the greatest basketball player in a court full of midgets. People acting like she's the Tolkien of porn games need to relax. The reason for this game's downward spiral isn't her absence, it's the lack of communication between the devs and their supporters where they would go months without a check in on top of adding scenes that literally nobody asked for like all the shit with the catgirls while giving the main attraction of this game (Sabia) barely new content. It was like that even before she left too.

Considering the current topic was the "creative differences" involved in her leaving the project rather than the management and communication issues already previously covered...

 

[ahrimansiah]

well personally i would rather have both 50/50 both story and porn! without this story there is far better porn games/comics outthere and in other hand without enough porn art/dick for sabia then whats the point of KOD anyway?
So in the end i do believe a balance of 50/50 is best!

 

[baneini]

The reason for this game's downward spiral isn't her absence, it's the lack of communication between the devs and their supporters where they would go months without a check in on top of adding scenes that literally nobody asked for like all the shit with the catgirls while giving the main attraction of this game (Sabia) barely new content. It was like that even before she left too.

You'd think they knew what people wanted given they set out to make a female mc corruption game. I don't think "communication" is the problem. I think what genre of game the devs wanted to work on and what fanbase they wanted to attract was the problem.
SL wants to attract the womens/lesbian erotica crowd, nomo wants the far more numerous corruption game fanbase. For a while they tried to walk some compromise path where no one gets what they want while double dipping into each fanbases and now we're back at how things were at launch.

 

[I Love These Games]

I play the game to see Sabia dicked. For me scenes are more important than the story but story has to be decent. Also please for the love of god no more Orc ladies , furries or some weird shit. I want them to get dicked just like in NN. Only Riven, Kata, Irelia and LB.

 

[Retromancer]

I'm sure you'll enjoy the new catgirl character, then