VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[Deleted member 584847]

honestly the best for them would be to cancel the game and restart from scratch on a new project, the situation as it is now is not really helping them, there are some major flaws all over the project. Nomo needs someone who takes him by the hand and leads the way, he should stick exclusively to making the artwork.

Sorry but i have to disagree... If everyone should cancel their projects everytime some problems appear and start again with a new project, there would be no games to play.
I think that making a rework of the 2nd part would solve this problem but i doubt that we will ever see it. Their Patreon's feedback is what they value (logicaly) and complaining on this site will not help us. Only if ppl from Patreon would complain in a larger numbers, that could make a difference but i have no idea if that will be the case or how well satisfied are they with the game.

 

[Dragon139]

Their Patreon's feedback is what they value (logicaly) and complaining on this site will not help us. Only if ppl from Patreon would complain in a larger numbers, that could make a difference but i have no idea if that will be the case or how well satisfied are they with the game.

They were starting to have complaints in the patreon comments. I don't know whats happened since everything became pay-walled. It feels like they are starting to get fatigued with the project.

I really think the best thing for them to do is set the next update 6+ months away. something like:
"Hey guys were going to take a month off (and not have the patreon charge for the month). then spend the rest of the time laying whatever infrastructure we need for the rest of the game. After that we'll commit to a (whatever time they need) update schedule with a regular (weekly, monthly whatever) patreon post between updates."

 

[feeltheforceofevil]

They were starting to have complaints in the patreon comments. I don't know whats happened since everything became pay-walled. It feels like they are starting to get fatigued with the project.

I really think the best thing for them to do is set the next update 6+ months away. something like:
"Hey guys were going to take a month off (and not have the patreon charge for the month). then spend the rest of the time laying whatever infrastructure we need for the rest of the game. After that we'll commit to a (whatever time they need) update schedule with a regular (weekly, monthly whatever) patreon post between updates."

They should have sticked to RPGM instead of jumping straight to Ren'Py in the first place. That way they don't end up getting stuck on a tarpit of delays, didn't help them when Sierra left, that simply means there is one less person doing a task a small studio should be making. A few certain Russians aside...

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

I'm not sure how RPGM or any other engine for that matter helps with poor writing and lack of direction, but maybe that's just me.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

They were starting to have complaints in the patreon comments. I don't know whats happened since everything became pay-walled. It feels like they are starting to get fatigued with the project.

I really think the best thing for them to do is set the next update 6+ months away. something like:
"Hey guys were going to take a month off (and not have the patreon charge for the month). then spend the rest of the time laying whatever infrastructure we need for the rest of the game. After that we'll commit to a (whatever time they need) update schedule with a regular (weekly, monthly whatever) patreon post between updates."

Those were public posts. So we can all take a guess on who was crying over "delays and content"...

 

[feeltheforceofevil]

I'm not sure how RPGM or any other engine for that matter helps with poor writing and lack of direction, but maybe that's just me.

They were fine with Noxian Nights using RPGM to make the game, for one they don't have to spend most of the time making background art for locations and game coding while more on drawing characters and illustrations, the writing is left to Sierra.
Now they'll have to work more than twice as hard with one less person (the writer) on the team, which means more delays and a chance to mess up the development process down the line, which meant even more delays. And that's not even counting on the mental pressure to deliver a complete, less buggy game.

 

[Heliophorus]

Hope they succeed. At least under Sierra this was one of the better lewd games with good writing and decent art.

 

[Freebalos]

Yo peeps, i made a KoD survey with some questions regarding the story/scenes/girls etc. Was asking if any of you would like too take part in this survey, and give your opinion about the game and such. Note that this is just for my personal enjoyment and curiosity and not for actual feedback or for future updates. You can find it here:

You must be registered to see the links

Takes about 10 min or so.

almost 100 peepos

 

[Deleted member 584847]

Yo peeps, i made a KoD survey with some questions regarding the story/scenes/girls etc. Was asking if any of you would like too take part in this survey, and give your opinion about the game and such. Note that this is just for my personal enjoyment and curiosity and not for actual feedback or for future updates. You can find it here:

You must be registered to see the links

Takes about 10 min or so.

give your honest and fair opinion 8)
also trolling and not following the rules, its just your answer deleted 8(

Just did the survey, thanks for it
IT could have been more detailed though. (e.g. you asked players to set a value for the entire story/dialogues while the 1st part was made by a bit different ppl then the 2nd part).
anyway, good idea I hope that the developers will take the survey into consideration.
edit: when do you plan to send the results to the developers? or did you already sent it?

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

So, uh... I've decided to plot KoD developement speed sometime ago, and here it is.



Some notes. My starting date (X axis) is Noxian Nights 1.2 release, or 28.09.16, even though they've revealed some concept arts much earlier. I'm counting scenes as defined by the game's gallery, even though some scenes are just variants, and some are highly unique. CG's are counted by raw image count in the scene folder. The intro removed in 0.4 is counted as 1 scene. We don't know exactly when Sierra left, so I'm just marking the date of Hrein's announcement.

Surprisingly, it shows that development pace hasn't slowed down significantly until 0.9, believe it or not. 0.9 was the worst update, with little content, and the longest wait by far. 167 days!

 

[nyqz]

So, uh... I've decided to plot KoD developement speed sometime ago, and here it is.

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Some notes. My starting date (X axis) is Noxian Nights 1.2 release, or 28.09.16, even though they've revealed some concept arts much earlier. I'm counting scenes as defined by the game's gallery, even though some scenes are just variants, and some are highly unique. CG's are counted by raw image count in the scene folder. The intro removed in 0.4 is counted as 1 scene. We don't know exactly when Sierra left, so I'm just marking the date of Hrein's announcement.

Surprisingly, it shows that development pace hasn't slowed down significantly until 0.9, believe it or not. 0.9 was the worst update, with little content, and the longest wait by far. 167 days!

Interesting. 0.9 does have a very large quantity of art that is unused or barely used, with all the molestation mini cg and the new assets for the human settlements.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Yeah, they've added a lot of other stuff like new BGs and character sprites (although, those are somewhat generic TBH, not all of them even have unique hairdos) and the groping system should be probably counted as a scene (not sure how much CG). That does make 0.9 look a little better.

But that also confirms that they don't have a good plan for the story, sadly. They should've foreseen the problem with creating a big story hub. Instead it's obvious that they've finished 0.8 and then realized that the next update is really heavy on non-erotic content.

Really hope they get it right in the end.

Oh, and another thing. It takes them ~110 days per update most of the time (0.9 not included). This almost guarantees no updates in 2019, and late (read: 31st) Jan 2020 as the earliest reasonable date.

 

[YungZeus]

Wonder if we’ll get an update before 2020..

 

[souldead341]

Wonder if we’ll get an update before 2020..

If they were serious about updates speeding up, there should be one in December (90ish days, compared to the 120ish from before). If they don't keep to the faster updates, you're looking at the end of January or later.

 

[Dragon139]

If they were serious about updates speeding up, there should be one in December (90ish days, compared to the 120ish from before). If they don't keep to the faster updates, you're looking at the end of January or later.

They still haven't released their post update bonus scene pack yet.

 

[Anmitsu]

Hmm so yeah I didn't say anything about the new update yet because after checking it out I kinda lost interest for so long that only now I decided to visit the thread again. After nearly 2 months... I think this alone says a lot already...

So this version was supposed to lay foundations for the future ones and while I don't know whether or not it properly did I can already say that it just bored me the fuck out. I hope it was worth it for the (far ) future. We've visited 2 (?) new locations that just happen to look exactly the same and got to see few new <imo not promising> characters. So we've yet a few more pointless, uninteresting, redundant characters that we could go without but they've wasted time on creating and introducing them anyway. Except the Katarina wannabe one to this I'm looking forward to. With the new locations and characters; few seemingly pointless quests were added as well throughout which I was just spamming "skip", "skip", "skip", "skip", "skip", "skip" until they weren't done without reading the dialogues so yeah; I didn't find them interesting enough to actually bother myself with reading. Once again the main story is left intact and we've got something of this, something of that, here and there but nothing that would feel meaningful enough to fill in the gap especially considering how long we had to wait for this version. This game manages to go in any and in every direction without actually going anywhere.
Impressive; that's indeed impressive but I don't think that's quite the point. At least it shouldn't have been.

The scenes for me were mainly meh, hehe "mainly", can I even say that with the total of 3 scenes? LUL
The worst one was the "ritual" thing and as I've seen a lot of stuff in porn that I now wish I didn't ever see without blinking an eye; this scene somehow still managed to disgust me. Actually after two months of the version 9.0 being out I checked out this scene only now because I didn't unlock it in my playthrough and after finishing the game I was so disappointed and discouraged that I didn't even want to see the last scane. Can you imagine? It was absolutely unthinkable before.
Scene with Sabia drinking orc nut I don't consider good or bad just neutral I'd say.
The last one with minotaur action was great though. Especially the submissive variant.
Actually that's the only positive thing I can see in this update maybe adding Katarina wannabe too if it'll be done right.

And so here we are; after nearly 2 months we're still waiting for that bonus pack to be released.
Sure as hell doesn't get your hopes up for things getting better.

 

[Cormac]

So, more 3 or 4 months to the next update and more 2 or 3 scenes. I wish if they would do someday an update with at least 6 scenes, or 10

 

[justsomeguy54321]

Curious if would of been easier for them to work another parody porn game rather than making an OC. A parody already has underlying backstory and characterization which makes it easier to work with.

 

[Deleted member 584847]

Curious if would of been easier for them to work another parody porn game rather than making an OC. A parody already has underlying backstory and characterization which makes it easier to work with.

god I hope not, i hate parodies.

 

[Deleted member 582765]

Nomo should do comics, not games.