drebin

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still looking for an answer...can you kidnap the rich bitch in whitecreast?
Short answer, no.
Long answer, according to what they said so far, it's in the plans. You gain her trust, and throw her in the tents to service the brutes. Although, since we saw basically nothing of her in 0.10, priorities might have changed throughout the developement of the last few updates.

If you check in the console, there is a favorability variable for her. (Something that Tijana lacks. It hurts so baaad.)
 

NBV

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I think one of the main points of contention was the Submissive Sabia path. It wasn't exactly compatible with the mood of this new story and how she had to recruit allies to overthrow her mother/sister (can't remember). The problem was a lot of their fans from Noxian Nights liked/enjoyed the submissive path for their main character. They tried to give them what they wanted through optional/bonus scenes each update but... oh well.
But wasn't Submissive Sabia or at least a path where Sabia did get manhandled a lot one of the original main intentions for the game? The game's original starting rape scene was designed around that and the Dominant Sabia stuff only started getting more focused after they had decided it to be the route they wanted to go, and that's when they went back and reworked the intro scene.
 

drebin

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Hum? I thought the removal of the intro rape scene is to avoid Patreon's censorship?
Kind of. It did happen around the biggest Patreon buttclenching session of the century, at least so far.

I personally think it was less to avoid censorship, and more to make the first impression a lot tamer for someone checking out the game for it's content, so they don't feel the need to dig too far. There's clearly stuff in the game that's against Patreon rules, but if it's in the first 5 minutes it's a lot easier to judge its scenes, which have "forsaken the love of god" as its sole purpose. Less about avoiding and more about not insulting Patreon staff's intelligence by having some tact. (I do believe Patreon has some staff, who aren't such self-righteous social justice warriors that let games like this slide until it's not shamelessly blatant about its banned content. Patreon needs to keep up the facade of following the rules.)

If you are looking for the official statement. Nomo and Sierra explained it more along the line that you couldn't take a Dominant Sabia seriously after she got raped in the first scene. (Sure I guess that's kind of true, but most people were here after Noxian Nights, and couldn't care less about the consistency of the character. So it's kind of a weak reasoning at that point, which makes the Patreon stuck-up-ness a lot more of a plausible cause.)
 
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manscout

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But wasn't Submissive Sabia or at least a path where Sabia did get manhandled a lot one of the original main intentions for the game? The game's original starting rape scene was designed around that and the Dominant Sabia stuff only started getting more focused after they had decided it to be the route they wanted to go, and that's when they went back and reworked the intro scene.
I think the starting rape scene (which was never mandatory, it could be avoided by successfully stalling, Sabia would be stripped but saved before the orcs raped her) was more about her losing everything and having to carefully claw her way back to the top, since even a single mistake could have dire (and lewd) consequences now.

Even since the game's first update there was nothing that made it seem the game was going to be about Sabia actually being a submissive orc slave, seeing how messing up too badly always lead to a gameover, at most it was going to be about her learning to play the part so she could manipulate the orcs and maybe also learning to enjoy being handled roughly during sex, but only really as a sexual preference kind of thing. Sabia was always way too ambitious as a character to think she would settle for anything less than being the leader and having a lot of power.

The people that still expected this to be a corruption game after playing it clearly came from Noxian Nights with a lot of unbased assumptions, and should have taken a hint when the game wasn't called "Noxian Nights 2: Orc-dick boogaloo".

Kind of. It did happen around the biggest Patreon buttclenching session of the century, at least so far.

I personally think it was less to avoid censorship, and more to make the first impression a lot tamer for someone checking out the game for it's content, so they don't feel the need to dig too far. There's clearly stuff in the game that's against Patreon rules, but if it's in the first 5 minutes it's a lot easier to judge it's scenes, which have "forsaken the love of god" as it's sole purpose. Less about avoiding and more about not insulting Patreon staff's intelligence by having some tact. (I do believe Patreon has some staff, who aren't such self-righteous social justice warriors that let games like this slide until it's not shamelessly blatant about its banned content. Patreon needs to keep up the facade of following the rules.)

If you are looking for the official statement. Nomo and Sierra explained it more along the line that you couldn't take a Dominant Sabia seriously after she got raped in the first scene. (Sure I guess that's kind of true, but most people were here after Noxian Nights, and couldn't care less about the consistency of the character. So it's kind of a weak reasoning at that point, which makes the Patreon stuck-up-ness a lot more of a plausible cause.)
From what I remember, their official reason was less about not being able to take a Dominant Sabia seriously, but more about it not making much sense for her to be as unfazed as she was about being brutally raped, she was immediatelly recovered and trying to play tough over Neve when she wakes up. It could have been fine if being raped was something Sabia had mentally prepared herself for over her life, but the rest of her characterization put her as being very uppity and sexually inexperienced, so it felt a bit contradictory. Even Noxian Nights had the perv guy that rescues the MC start slow.

Of course the real reason they re-did the intro was the patreon cops cracking down, but I kind of agree with the reasoning they gave, the way they reworked it was poorly done though, they removed any consequences for misplaying the intro. I think ideally they should have gone with something like, if Sabia successfuly stalls, she keeps her clothes on and Lutvrog arrives before the rogue orcs lay a hand on her, if she fucks up stalling them, then she gets surrounded and stripped, and just when they are about to start raping her Lutvrog arrives. Would have kept real stakes without going overboard.
 

Azurite

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But wasn't Submissive Sabia or at least a path where Sabia did get manhandled a lot one of the original main intentions for the game? The game's original starting rape scene was designed around that and the Dominant Sabia stuff only started getting more focused after they had decided it to be the route they wanted to go, and that's when they went back and reworked the intro scene.
I would say you are right, but when you play the game in its current state, even with the rape scene at the start in mind, you can see how after the trial, the submissive Sabia became an afterthought or... not exactly an afterthought but she was less in the spotlight than the balanced one and the dominant one. If my memory serves me well, you can be the submissive one later on with the feast if you choose one of the captains but you cannot whore Sabia around and it feels quiet limited.

But again, I'm not sure and I understand this is quiet the difficult part if you feel character's consistency is truly important in a smut game. I think this is a mistake though, a smut game or a smut story, if you want it to be of quality (porn side) must take liberties and sometimes bend a little bit the characters or facilitate the sex. In the same way, porn illustrations are always with "fake" lightning because this is what is sexy and arousing. Two different goals require different artistic tools/effects.

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Even since the game's first update there was nothing that made it seem the game was going to be about Sabia actually being a submissive orc slave, seeing how messing up too badly always lead to a gameover, at most it was going to be about her learning to play the part so she could manipulate the orcs and maybe also learning to enjoy being handled roughly during sex, but only really as a sexual preference kind of thing. Sabia was always way too ambitious as a character to think she would settle for anything less than being the leader and having a lot of power.

The people that still expected this to be a corruption game after playing it clearly came from Noxian Nights with a lot of unbased assumptions, and should have taken a hint when the game wasn't called "Noxian Nights 2: Orc-dick boogaloo".
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This is an interesting reply and I won't say you are wrong, clearly some of the posters asked for a submissive orc slave. But the majority of the submissive Sabia fans weren't asking for this. Just look at Noxian's Nights, Riven doesn't become the slave of anyone except in one of the endings with Le Blanc but you can play her as a submissive during the game and it "helps" you in advancing the plot.

The "problem" with Sabia though... is after the trial, they removed her ability to whore herself around in the tents without giving the submissive lovers something else. No submissive scene in the bar, no submissive scene with Neve (seriously this was something a LOT of people wanted, Neve is SUPER HOT), no equivalent of the tents or no follow up on them, you cannot whore Sabia to gain more power or influence. It could be during side quests you know it's just, as a submissive Sabia fan, there was nothing for us in later updates. And the fact Kingdom of Deception introduced so many characters that would "steal" the sex scenes from Sabia was annoying. like the cat girls etc... of course this is just my opinion. ^_^
 
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manscout

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I would say you are right, but when you play the game in its current state, even with the rape scene at the start in mind, you can see how after the trial, the submissive Sabia became an afterthought or... not exactly an afterthought but she was less in the spotlight than the balanced one and the dominant one. If my memory serves me well, you can be the submissive one later on with the feast if you choose one of the captains but you cannot whore Sabia around and it feels quiet limited.

But again, I'm not sure and I understand this is quiet the difficult part if you feel character's consistency is truly important in a smut game. I think this is a mistake though, a smut game or a smut story, if you want it to be of quality (porn side) must take liberties and sometimes bend a little bit the characters or facilitate the sex. In the same way, porn illustrations are always with "fake" lightning because this is what is sexy and arousing. Two different goals require different artistic tools/effects.
I don't disagree they neglected having more "submissive" content for Sabia early on, but I disagree that they needed to sacrifice character consistency to make a good porn game, I think they just needed to organize and compartmentalize it better.

The main issue submissive content brought to the story is that way too quickly it stopped being an useful thing for Sabia, she needed to care about her reputation in the orc camp way too early so slutting around would do more harm than good, and the orc leaders were all written as actually very smart and reasonable so they couldn't be easily manipulated by Sabia letting them have their way with her.

They could have probably reworked some of the early content so Sabia wouldn't rise to being basically a sub-captain within the first 3 patches, but alternatively, I always felt that the best solution would be to have Sabia have submissive content outside the orc camp, if we could leave earlier and start exploring the surrounding tribes and towns, Sabia wouldn't really have to worry about her reputation, in the human towns she'd probably be mostly spying since she had to keep her identity a secret, so she could slut around for money or information; and with surrounding tribes, bandits, and wild beasts, it is not like anyone had to know who she was, she could play the part of just a lost human peasant and use that to acquire intel, find rare materials, feed false information, etc.

This seems to be kind of what they started doing once it became possible to leave the camp, but with how slow the updates are, it is kind of just too little too late.
 

Azurite

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I see we share the same view. I edited my previous post while you wrote your latest reply, if you are interested.
I kind of talk of the same thing. A submissive Sabia was clearly doable indeed.
 

drebin

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So, does any of you guys/girls expect an update post for the first day of summer? (I'm personally not too hopeful.)
 

Filippa2000

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I seem to have finished everything so far done the prison escape etc but what happened to the art in the scenes towards the end?????????
 

Big Knut

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Honestly I wish they would focus on just filling out what they already have for a while. So much structure that lacks purpose, just adding more replayable content and focusing on the art before racing to the finish would make this really feel complete. It's so close to being a legendary game as it is, just hope they can see it through to its fitting conclusion.
 

sam1545654

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Honestly I wish they would focus on just filling out what they already have for a while. So much structure that lacks purpose, just adding more replayable content and focusing on the art before racing to the finish would make this really feel complete. It's so close to being a legendary game as it is, just hope they can see it through to its fitting conclusion.
Speaking as a huge fan of KoD and wishing it all success its my opinion that given the slow update rate, current conditions and what has already been implemented its highly unlikely that they will finish this game. Take a look for a moment at how the updates have been going then go in game and look at the map. There are innumerable areas on the map that cannot be accessed yet. Given that fact, in order to give purpose to even half the places on the map would necessitate Writing and art production at a scale which i do not think they are capable of. Not to mention the actual coding. I give credit where credit is do. Making these games/VN's is not simple. If it were than everyone could just crank it to their own self made perversions. But there is a difference between a game that is a labor of love and a game that makes you money. I used to support this game but i could not in good conscience continue to. A New Dawn(which i also used to support) is in almost the same boat in my opinion although the problem there is that while there are updates they aren't really adding anything to the game or advancing the story. Which is a biggie on KoD's case cause there really is ACTUAL story telling potential in addition to porn. KoD's best best now would be to rejigger the map and get rid of half the locations, Finish finding Groknak who i think happens to be a decent fellow, and get the game back on track to Sabia getting revenge on her family culminating in around 3 or 4 possible endings depending on choices, Sub/Dom, and some slight variation depending on which captain you side with. It lets them end the game gracefully so they can start a new project. Truth is, their supporters are loyal. But if this goes on to much longer without ANY regular communication let alone (quality) updates they will inevitably start Hemorrhaging supporters and that will be that.

Thank you for coming out
God bless you
Goodnight.
 

Great730

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People help please how to get 2 onshark ritual I kind of sided with it went through all the updates but I can't get this scene out
 

Negativpro0

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Speaking as a huge fan of KoD and wishing it all success its my opinion that given the slow update rate, current conditions and what has already been implemented its highly unlikely that they will finish this game. Take a look for a moment at how the updates have been going then go in game and look at the map. There are innumerable areas on the map that cannot be accessed yet. Given that fact, in order to give purpose to even half the places on the map would necessitate Writing and art production at a scale which i do not think they are capable of. Not to mention the actual coding. I give credit where credit is do. Making these games/VN's is not simple. If it were than everyone could just crank it to their own self made perversions. But there is a difference between a game that is a labor of love and a game that makes you money. I used to support this game but i could not in good conscience continue to. A New Dawn(which i also used to support) is in almost the same boat in my opinion although the problem there is that while there are updates they aren't really adding anything to the game or advancing the story. Which is a biggie on KoD's case cause there really is ACTUAL story telling potential in addition to porn. KoD's best best now would be to rejigger the map and get rid of half the locations, Finish finding Groknak who i think happens to be a decent fellow, and get the game back on track to Sabia getting revenge on her family culminating in around 3 or 4 possible endings depending on choices, Sub/Dom, and some slight variation depending on which captain you side with. It lets them end the game gracefully so they can start a new project. Truth is, their supporters are loyal. But if this goes on to much longer without ANY regular communication let alone (quality) updates they will inevitably start Hemorrhaging supporters and that will be that.

Thank you for coming out
God bless you
Goodnight.
Sadly the bleeding is already happening, they have lost lot of patreons in the last months and more than 1000$ in patreon money. Though i do know about Nomo recent tragedy, updates and content have been a problem way before April 30. Even considering the tragedy to be going on from different months given it's nature ( his dad had cancer and recently passed away ) we had seen this coming. For what i've seen this all started when Sierra Lee left the group, story got a bit off and the game lost his original focus, their blog hasn't been updated in more than a year and even though i hope they raise up and improve the game, give updates..... Last patch was just obviously not ok, scenes were good but the game is just bleeding out and the fact that they don't even give updates or address the problem only makes it more obvious
 

Big Knut

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Speaking as a huge fan of KoD and wishing it all success its my opinion that given the slow update rate, current conditions and what has already been implemented its highly unlikely that they will finish this game. Take a look for a moment at how the updates have been going then go in game and look at the map. There are innumerable areas on the map that cannot be accessed yet. Given that fact, in order to give purpose to even half the places on the map would necessitate Writing and art production at a scale which i do not think they are capable of. Not to mention the actual coding. I give credit where credit is do. Making these games/VN's is not simple. If it were than everyone could just crank it to their own self made perversions. But there is a difference between a game that is a labor of love and a game that makes you money. I used to support this game but i could not in good conscience continue to. A New Dawn(which i also used to support) is in almost the same boat in my opinion although the problem there is that while there are updates they aren't really adding anything to the game or advancing the story. Which is a biggie on KoD's case cause there really is ACTUAL story telling potential in addition to porn. KoD's best best now would be to rejigger the map and get rid of half the locations, Finish finding Groknak who i think happens to be a decent fellow, and get the game back on track to Sabia getting revenge on her family culminating in around 3 or 4 possible endings depending on choices, Sub/Dom, and some slight variation depending on which captain you side with. It lets them end the game gracefully so they can start a new project. Truth is, their supporters are loyal. But if this goes on to much longer without ANY regular communication let alone (quality) updates they will inevitably start Hemorrhaging supporters and that will be that.
I certainly don't disagree with that, all very good points. I had almost forgotten about the big map it was so hopeless lol. I was mostly referring to the tents (relief and other), kennels, and training grounds in the outskirts. If they were to develop these more in the later phase it could be a decent recruitment, income, and army organizing mechanic and each town could just have a cookie cutter-ish application as extensions of this. Same minigames or scenes for each or some scaling system depending on how many camps are friendly. Then without getting too crazy on the grinding we can push the revenge plot. Endings could vary depending on how well you recruited and trained/who you sided with. Having said that i think the sub/dom and other like variants should be downplayed on the whole, too many layers that are largely irrelevant and could be replaced with more plot-centered material.
 
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