Lucas90251

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Well,to do that first you need to finish the other quest with Vehlis - after you save her from Jasmine - you will need to speak to her in the orc camp (a few times i think - i am not sure) and she will ask you to go investigate something in Avion city and find a way to help her - then Sabia need to go to the brothel where Amelia is working and she will see her arguing with Priscilla and after that you will have option to choose speak with Amelia about that arguing with Priscilla - after she speak with Amelia,Sabia need to go to the slums there and try to find a way to work for Priscilla - there is a lot content and to do all of that Sabia will need to at some point go to sleep in the orc camp and later go back to Avion for more.....After you finish and the last thing with Priscilla (where Sabia will find also that Jasmine is their Boss) she will need to go speak again with Vehlis and told her what she find and Vehlis will ask her to keep trying to find some more information,then Sabia will go back there and you will need to finsih all the other content there - only after that you can speak again with Vehlis and give her what Sabia found! After that on the next day(i am not sure if you can do it in the same day) Sabia can speak again with Vehlis and she will decide to support Sabia's brothel by giving her a lot of lundils - Then you can go to the brothel where Bris is administartor and speak with her about Vehlis support - that way the all content with Bris will start (also there will be a bit after Vehlis give Sabia a lot of lundils,content with one of the orcs who will ask Sabia what Vehlis want and why she is so supportive and that way you will find that the orcs arrested Vehlis)!
I am done with rescuing vehlis from jasmine and talked to her the day after but there is no option with bris. Here's my save see if you can find anything wrong
 

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I am done with rescuing vehlis from jasmine and talked to her the day after but there is no option with bris. Here's my save see if you can find anything wrong
I will see it later since right now i need to go but if i am not wrong you should choose Sabia to enslave the catgirls since i am not sure if you didn't do that they will be in the orc camp with her and working for Sabia! I think it's only possible if the catgirls are enslaved and working for Sabia but i may be wrong! Try to enslave them from one of your previous saves if you have and then when you are at that part again i think you can do it! If someone else know how to do it if Sabia decide to not enslaved catgirls then he may helps you since i didn't choose that and i enslaved them! :)
 

Lucas90251

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I will see it later since right now i need to go but if i am not wrong you should choose Sabia to enslave the catgirls since i am not sure if you didn't do that they will be in the orc camp with her and working for Sabia! I think it's only possible if the catgirls are enslaved and working for Sabia but i may be wrong! Try to enslave them from one of your previous saves if you have and then when you are at that part again i think you can do it! If someone else know how to do it if Sabia decide to not enslaved catgirls then he may helps you since i didn't choose that and i enslaved them! :)
Ah damn guess I gotta see if I even have a save all the way back then cause I chose recruited catgirls
 

Enigmanic

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wait bris content is available? i thought it was in the gallery only how do you start it i just finished the rescue vehlis quest and cant seem to start the bris quest. Any help on how to start would be appriciated
The new Bris content isn't available yet. The devs said they'll add it with another patch soon because the scenes weren't finished yet.
 

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I will see it later since right now i need to go but if i am not wrong you should choose Sabia to enslave the catgirls since i am not sure if you didn't do that they will be in the orc camp with her and working for Sabia! I think it's only possible if the catgirls are enslaved and working for Sabia but i may be wrong! Try to enslave them from one of your previous saves if you have and then when you are at that part again i think you can do it! If someone else know how to do it if Sabia decide to not enslaved catgirls then he may helps you since i didn't choose that and i enslaved them! :)
thank you, I finally had gotten the Bris dominating Sabia scenes
 
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Hourglass

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How much futa/trans content we're talking about here? It's a good amount of scenes/characters or is just to farm tags?
It's only one character and she's a monstergirl with the magic ability to grow a cock.
But there are three scenes with her where you can decide to go futa.
 
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saint751

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Agreed. One thing the early game did extremely well and that's gradually been lost after Sierra Lee left is that lots of the sub path felt like Sabia deciding to use sex as one of her best options in situations where she doesn't have many tools. I still like the sub route as porn, but it's makes for a way less interesting story and makes Sabia a way less interesting character, which is a problem when the game still wants to invest a lot of effort in plot. She becomes a lot more passive.

That's the thing. In the beginning it seemed like Sabia actually had a character arc in the sub route, going from headstrong warrior to a more subtle manipulator. Now it just seems like a porn delivery system, without any regard for keeping the situation plausible or making any headway in the plot.

It's just: Sabia wants something from somebody -> other person wants sex -> Sabia complains but is forced into sex -> Sabia gets what she wanted anyway for some reason because the plot needs to continue.

Sure, some of the scenes are nice, but they come at the cost of the overall story. Probably would have been better if most of those scenes would have been relegated to BAD ENDS, instead of trying to have the plot continue afterwards, as if nothing happened.

Something like Bris finding out that she's secretly Bai Ashi should be a great opening for more of that (Bris pushes Sabia to do things as her, then Sabia has to figure out a way to play along and come out ok), but so far it seems like the sex is all going to be total submission with the turnaround happening elsewhere.
The whole Bris thing should be a way bigger deal than the writing seems to make it out to be. Not only does Sabia suddenly lose control over her biggest asset, but somebody knows her true identity and is trying to control her through it. By all accounts Sabia should be trying to have Bris killed because she puts everything she's worked for in jeopardy. The situation is inredibly dangerous for Sabia and yet she treats it like something she can salvage with mere words. And then she gets fucked into submission every time she tries.
It may be the most stupid the plot and the character have gotten to justify the porn. They'll probably undo the situation by having Vehelis take care of it, once she gets out of the sex dungeon, because Sabia really can't do shit on her own in the sub-route.

It'll be interesting to see how and if this is touched upon in the dom route. Because it would seem Bris is too scared of Sabia to even try something like that again.
 

MingXiao

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Do we have a GigaChadDrawingAndy here that can just talk with Nomo and send CG backgrounds to speed up the process?
 

ronadan

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One should perhaps disassociate the first and latter halves of the game and almost think of them as two different projects, and make any comments or criticisms of the game moving forward accordingly without bemoaning the loss of Sierra as that would perhaps be more useful and engaging.
tho I'm thankful for your information, I disagree on this point. you can't divide a project because the new member can't keep up with his/her predecessor. people loved G.R.R Martin's writing for the early seasons of GoT. when season 8 came out, fans were rightfully furious because of the quality of new writing (without Martin's books as a reference). you can't tell me that reaction at the time wasn't justified.
the problem with the current writing is the same. no one wants to insult Monsinne. we (as disappointed fans) just declare that Sierra Lee's writing was superior and Nomo couldn't replace her. "bemoaning Sierra's loss" is not necessarily a bad thing: it's a reflection of the state the game is in right now and how we think we can help Nomo understand the problem. no, it's not "more useful and engaging" to not compare Monsinne's writhing to Sierra's. at least not for fans. people have the right to ask for high-quality stuff and because we know Hreinn games CAN provide that, it's totally justified
 

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Ah damn guess I gotta see if I even have a save all the way back then cause I chose recruited catgirls
Well,yes i think for the content with Bris you should do that! Anyway - to start Bris content first you need to complete all the stuff for Vehlis and later after that speak again with her so she can decide to invest and support Sabia's tents/brothel ! If you already finished the quest where Sabia need to rescue Vehlis,then try go to sleep and after Sabia is awake she will find a letter from Alioch(Vehlis's elf) and then she will know she need to visit Vehlis - then go speak with Vehlis and you will start the new quest for her! Like i say before,there is a lot content in that new mission for Vehlis and only when you complete the whole mission you can go to speak again with Vehlis and start the new mission where she will decide to invest in Sabia's tents/brothel and then Sabia will speak with Bris about that (Bris content) but first you need to finish the other mission with the letter from Alioch and after speaking with Vehlis visiting Avion city!
 
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Enigmanic

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... to start Bris content first you need to complete all the stuff for Vehlis and later after that speak again with her so she can decide to invest and support Sabia's tents/brothel ! ...
You also need to do all the stuff with Kia (the markhor). She recruits Sabia's help with the tentacle monster. This leads to Bris blackmailing Sabia if you have more sub than dom points.
 

Joe9ty

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I've just finished playing v0-12-1 of the game and I must say I was relatively happy with what I saw. I think the redesigned armour is a big improvement. The first version was a little too hill-walker esque and I found I wasted time switching to sexier armour when Sabia didn't need to wear it. Thankfully she looks good in all her outfits, although the rags aren't great, but then, they are rags!!!! I played on a general Dom route (with some slight deviation when it suited me) and I think as the game progresses that's the only way to play the game if it's to remain credible as a storyline. I like the Dom/Sub option as a concept but for me for this to work the Sub route need to take a different direction, otherwise it's just a slow route to a bad ending. For example if Sabia is dominating lower level orcs to do her bidding then it's hardly credible that her outcomes will be as good if she is submitting and 'acting' as a puppet for those same orcs in the sub route. If on the other hand her sub route takes her to working under one of the 3 captains and eventually the War-Chief himself doing their bidding but still elevated above the ordinary orc, then that is of course progression., however that storyline looks rather different. Overall though for an update in isolation, I think it was a good one. Yes, it took too long for it to come but we have all said that for months and I think to continue to judge it negatively because of delays becomes counter-productive and ignores the good work that has been done. The story progression was acceptable and the repeatable scenes with Bris are very good. I really like the direction the Dom route took with that particular sub-plot. I'll replay the game with a sub leaning approach so I can view the remainder of the new scenes and of course to watch Sabia get railed, but for me this game only really makes sense if you play it with a domination style approach. I'll wait to see what cut scenes are added in the coming weeks and if I like what I see I'll sign up to their patreon.
 
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ronadan - I hear you, and I understand that you don't believe the current writing team -- Monsinne primarily under Nomo's direction -- provides the same quality as KoD's original writer, Sierra. And you'd be correct. The avenues of how the story goes and its plot progression (along with meaningful mechanics that doesn't become irrelevant later) have clearly become more limited. Again, I appreciate your comment, but let me expand a bit of what I mean.

Remember, in regards to the story, that was intentional. Hreinn Games once stated, "We [spent] a lot of time remaking and writing the plans, story lines and lore and rewriting it in a new format" after Serra's departure. Nomo, the project's lead, understands the issue that some people have in the writing department (let alone other aspects like the art) and even requested that folks shouldn't be too harsh with how things were in comparison to when Sierra was still around. If it was all the same people that worked on a project and it took a significant "nosedive" in its quality (as others have put it) from before, then full-on and respectful criticism is justified. However, I think a little reprieve is in order and reasonable here regarding the writing as this is a much more unusual case versus other adult gaming projects found around out there. These teams are small -- very often just a single person -- so a significant change to team members will inevitably have massive repercussions as is in the case with Hreinn Games.

people have the right to ask for high-quality stuff and because we know Hreinn games CAN provide that
Y'see here, that's just the thing. They simply can't in respect to the writing; at least, not in the same way as before. I want to believe that Monsinne is doing his best (with the help of NDS) while following what Nomo wants from him. But you can't expect him to rise to the level or at least take on the same style and writing acumen as Sierra while also being gated from certain things and having less freedom as the former OG member. That's like fans asking you to take over Sir Terry Pratchett's mantle and continue the Discworld series without any of his notes and do so in the same approach and quality as the deceased author and not in your own way. It simply won't do nor be the same. So let's politely set aside Sierra's part, and not downplay Monsinne's contributions to KoD, and judge the writing and any issues with the plot with him at the helm moving forward.

The thing is, most of us who have played the game and followed the thread for any length of time already KNOW that there is a distinct change in the game's writing from the earlier parts of the game to the latter half of the game which have been in development for far longer. With utmost respect and in my humble opinion, it's just not constructive to continue beating that dead horse. The players and the development team already know about it. Here's the rub, we can't ask Hreinn Games to emulate Sierra completely. That's, quite frankly, unfair to Monsinne. After all, he didn't have to help out and deal with mess left behind and join Hreinn Games in the first place, and much of the flak he's getting is really undeserved. I'm thankful that KoD didn't just up and die when Sierra left. See if anyone else would step up, be accepted by Nomo, and do any better.

TL;DR *** Thus, is it really unreasonable to look at the writing and its story progression of KoD from the point where Monsinne became the principle writer in 2018 and judge them on their own merits moving forward? Is that ask too much? ***

Players have already acknowledged and thanked Sierra's part and the large role she played in KoD's early development, but she's been long gone. Let's give where credit is due and offer healthy, constructive criticisms moving forward. Bear in mind, Hreinn Games have many issues such as being less than forthcoming in their infrequent communications to their patrons, but all I'm talking about here is how we should look at the writing since the team's reshuffling of its members with Sierra's departure. That's the part I'm more interested in as development of KoD continues -- what's happening now; not what happened then.

Alrighty ladies and gents, be safe and take care of one another. Cheers!
 
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