VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[Jinsoyun]

I've said many times before, i can't draw anything to save my life and i also never studied art any more than necessary for regular schooling. So there will be people a lot more knowledgeable than me on this matter, but i couldn't help but notice that even tho human art has a history dating back tens of thousands of years and it kept evolving with us through space, time and cultures, there is still a distinct lack of organic art styles that depict anything from 100% top down.

Now, as an amateur i propose the idea, that this phenomenon can be explained by the simple fact that it looks quite ridiculous to an average person.

Of course, some things, especially in porn, can look great from a top-down view: women on all fours, a BJ from a POV angle, etc. but for those to work, the subject of the picture needs to be big enough for details to show.
I'm consistently less critical about the simplified art style than the average of this forum, but looking at those pictures, i honestly had to check two or three times to be able to tell when Sabia was standing or kneeling. In a few cases i had to double check to see which way she was facing, because i couldn't tell her ass and tits from one another.

But I'll admit, that this new perspective gives them a lot of options for scenes. From a top-down view, it's easy to arrange simplified art to represent characters and with a bit of limited movement or some small sprites of clothing removed a lot of different scenes can be arranged. Now, if only we could view those scenes from a better angle after they are started... You know guys, like an RPGM game where the default mini characters move around and when a scene starts a really talented artist draws something sexy and cool to make the action look better...

Are they seriously spending 4-5 months to create the feeling of an RPGM game without the added quality art?

While we are at this, topic, 5 months after the release of the last patch they are just finishing up the "main quest" and more to a quest that is a bad end and can only be viewed if the player intentionally messed things up? A sexy bad end can be good and there were already a few in the game and the last time they did it with Kira, everyone here said that it was sexy, but they wish it was not tied to a game over.

So again, the main story quest will have sketch art only, the second third of the trio will be tied to a bad end that most people skipped over already, they are breaking their own record of "most words in a quest" for a 4th time in a row and 5 months of development went to imitating the worst part of the RPGM games in Renpy.
Oh, before i forget, this main quest is once again a build up for something interesting to happen in the future. For the 5th time in a row.

Seriously, Hreinn: you are working too hard. Just get Nomo to draw something simple and hot in his full quality style with just the basic variations, nothing extra. Limit Monsinne to 2-4000 words at most and for the first time in 3 years, don't invent a one-off new mechanic to stretch NDS's abilities and free time to it's limits. Push this out in 30-40 days and prepare your soaps and towels because you will shower in more praise than you have seen since 0.4.

I'm getting a headache just typing this all down.

 

[BigBiggieBig]

I'm getting a headache just typing this all down.

Counter-point: Patreon money comes regardless of what they do, so they'll never bother to improve or stick to a semi-tight schedule. gg no re

 

[Negativpro0]

That's a double sin cause they just made her a bimbo without even a proper bimbofication/slutification sequence. It's a lose-lose

To clarify this, the Monsinne guy has a bimbo fetish and i think a big patreon who hangs around in their discord server likes that too. Nomo probably got influenced by those two.

 

[BigBiggieBig]

To clarify this, the Monsinne guy has a bimbo fetish and i think a big patreon who hangs around in their discord server likes that too. Nomo probably got influenced by those two.

I hope this is true cause it highlights just how braindead the devs are.

 

[Great730]

I hope this is true cause it highlights just how braindead the devs are.

People your comments are wrong yes, the arabs are morons yes, Sabia looks like a doll yes, her tits have become bigger but but but She has never been a warrior warriors in this game are Neve Avion Kira Tekrok Lutvorg they are warriors and Sabia is an impudent bitch from a rich family of developers can be blamed for many things but the fact that Sabia is not a dominant character and not a warrior is obvious well imagine the house of Sabia and the minotaur funny it just so happened that the players see her as a more submissive slave because even her domination over the eyes is more like a stupid performance imagine an eye under 3 meters with a weight under 170 kg obediently obeying a girl such a picture does not add up

 

[BigBiggieBig]

the arabs are morons yes

Kek

I assume this is translated, so I don't know how well this will reach. But Sabia defeating an Orc of a large size is not unreasonable.

First, at the start of the game, we know she lacks magical capabilities, so she focused her training on physical prowess, which is why she was skilled enough in armed combat to take part in numerous raids/campaigns and defeat orcs in single combat. If someone had spent much of their youth on the battlefield, they'd be skilled, fit, and have the mentality of a warrior.

You need to look at this beyond "Big good, small bad", there's more to fighting than size, while she is smaller, she is faster, has better technique, and takes a more thoughtful approach to combat as opposed to an orc going "ZUG ZUG ME SMASH" as the game establishes early on with the raid system.

You can't just say "Well, she's a small woman surrounded by orcs, so might as well make her a bimbo who can't defend herself against anything since big = strong and small = weak. That's an extremely primitive way of looking at things, my dude.

 

[outeast]

I just hope that these top view cutscenes are just a small part of some kind of mini game to diversify the game play and other scenes will be well rendered.

 

[Negativpro0]

Wait the devs are arab?

i think Nomo is from the baltic and that NDS is from the US, no idea about Monsinne

 

[BigBiggieBig]

Wait the devs are arab?

I think he wrote the post in his own language then translated it to english, the 'arab' thing is 99% a translation error, but it's pretty funny.

I just hope that these top view cutscenes are just a small part of some kind of mini game to diversify the game play and other scenes will be well rendered.

I highly doubt it, they seemed to push it as the 'main' piece of content, so it's more or less going to be the centerpiece rather than an accessory.

 

[Brother Penetrātus]

People your comments are wrong yes, the arabs are morons yes, Sabia looks like a doll yes, her tits have become bigger but but but She has never been a warrior warriors in this game are Neve Avion Kira Tekrok Lutvorg they are warriors and Sabia is an impudent bitch from a rich family of developers can be blamed for many things but the fact that Sabia is not a dominant character and not a warrior is obvious well imagine the house of Sabia and the minotaur funny it just so happened that the players see her as a more submissive slave because even her domination over the eyes is more like a stupid performance imagine an eye under 3 meters with a weight under 170 kg obediently obeying a girl such a picture does not add up

 

[Great730]

Kek

I assume this is translated, so I don't know how well this will reach. But Sabia defeating an Orc of a large size is not unreasonable.

First, at the start of the game, we know she lacks magical capabilities, so she focused her training on physical prowess, which is why she was skilled enough in armed combat to take part in numerous raids/campaigns and defeat orcs in single combat. If someone had spent much of their youth on the battlefield, they'd be skilled, fit, and have the mentality of a warrior.

You need to look at this beyond "Big good, small bad", there's more to fighting than size, while she is smaller, she is faster, has better technique, and takes a more thoughtful approach to combat as opposed to an orc going "ZUG ZUG ME SMASH" as the game establishes early on with the raid system.

You can't just say "Well, she's a small woman surrounded by orcs, so might as well make her a bimbo who can't defend herself against anything since big = strong and small = weak. That's an extremely primitive way of looking at things, my dude.

Yes, you're right, more does not mean better, but I meant mostly scenes from the game are extremely funny when a woman commands a partner who is able to separate the head from the torso with her bare hands without any weapons, put an orc and sabia in the ring without weapons, even if he does not move, her blows are unlikely to cause serious harm and yes, as a warrior she may not be bad, but she will not dominate over Kira over Neva over minotaur over tekrok over kia it's not even about strength, but the character of how the game positions the characters
And not the Arabs, but the developers, alas, I do not know English so well

 

[Great730]

Sorry such a question very soon is how much in the last post that was more than 40 days ago Nomo said very soon is it a month or 15 days ?
Nomo — Сегодня, в 18:55
As pointed in the most recent post, Nds had some health problems that delayed us a bit from what we originally imagined to be the release date. We are already working on the next patch while he is finishing the coding.
I love it when the update we are sick, we are working, I asked the date at least approximately of this shit, they do the update from 4 months surprisingly, but during this time someone is always sick, the answer is do it fucking faster, don't get sick

 

[BigBiggieBig]

put an orc and sabia in the ring without weapons, even if he does not move, her blows are unlikely to cause serious harm and

Well, yes, in a battle of pure physical strength, the person who relies on speed and weaponry is at a disadvantage, that's kind of the whole point of strengths and weaknesses. And as for Sabia dominating orcs who are physically superior to her, it's more of an honor/fear sort of thing, orcs don't fight barehanded, they use weapons, and if this orc knows that Sabia can kill him with ease if they were both armed, then he respects/fears her and thus follows her demands if she is able to utilize his feelings properly. Again, Big = Good and Small = Bad is not how you should look at this, use a bit more thought to think about why things are happening instead of going "small woman dominate big man?! BAD!"

but she will not dominate over Kira over Neva over minotaur over tekrok over kia it's not even about strength, but the character of how the game positions the characters

If you played a Dom Sabia, you'd know she more or less performs better than the minotaur against Kira, enough that Kira sends the minotaur to set up the camp and prepare dinner, so in a normal fight, it's likely that Sabia and the Minotaur are AT LEAST evenly-matched, the minotaur even begins showing hints of respect towards her at the end of his quest if you're playing dom.
As for Kia/Neve/Kira/Levtruv(Or whatever his name is), they are stronger than Sabia, sure, but that's only because they're exceptionally powerful when compared to other characters, wouldn't be much of a game if Sabia was the strongest warrior to have ever lived.

You either only played a quick sub playthrough, or you played the game without reading anything, I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[Great730]

Well, yes, in a battle of pure physical strength, the person who relies on speed and weaponry is at a disadvantage, that's kind of the whole point of strengths and weaknesses. And as for Sabia dominating orcs who are physically superior to her, it's more of an honor/fear sort of thing, orcs don't fight barehanded, they use weapons, and if this orc knows that Sabia can kill him with ease if they were both armed, then he respects/fears her and thus follows her demands if she is able to utilize his feelings properly. Again, Big = Good and Small = Bad is not how you should look at this, use a bit more thought to think about why things are happening instead of going "small woman dominate big man?! BAD!"


If you played a Dom Sabia, you'd know she more or less performs better than the minotaur against Kira, enough that Kira sends the minotaur to set up the camp and prepare dinner, so in a normal fight, it's likely that Sabia and the Minotaur are AT LEAST evenly-matched, the minotaur even begins showing hints of respect towards her at the end of his quest if you're playing dom.
As for Kia/Neve/Kira/Levtruv(Or whatever his name is), they are stronger than Sabia, sure, but that's only because they're exceptionally powerful when compared to other characters, wouldn't be much of a game if Sabia was the strongest warrior to have ever lived.

You either only played a quick sub playthrough, or you played the game without reading anything, I don't know what else to tell you.

I understood your point of view and it has a place to be, but still the daughter of an overbearing politician who forces herself to be respected with combat skills, I don't know, I'm probably just not satisfied with the format of such a submission, the only case where sabia's dominance looks good is marley the cat girl and no, not because she is smaller because her character is like a child and it's easy for her manage

 

[Cormac]

1. here letting you guys know where we are at
   
   
   
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   Hey guys - this is where we are at: The main quest for .14 is almost finished being compiled and should be out very soon - we'll be moving on to the bad end questline conclusion after this one. Compiling this one took a bit longer than anticipated due to some medical commitments from Nds restricting his available time. While he is working on it, Nomo and Monsinne are working on the next quest. The Bar scene we did in .13 was very large - and the scene we've done for this quest is even larger. It has a ton of potential permutations and we'll be making use of it in the future again. It has multiple backgrounds, differences & changes for dom/sub, and a ton of different poses and positions. The pics in this post are just a few samples for now. The quest itself is pretty big - the scenes themselves are almost twice as big as entire quests used to be. We hope you guys are excited to get to play it because we're excited to share it! Thanks everyone!
   

Kill it before it lays eggs!

 

[BigBiggieBig]

I take extreme solace in the fact that they've now dropped to 692 patrons from ~746 before they released their last post. Honestly I hope they continue losing patrons so they get it through their thick skulls that people are sick of their garbage, and that lazy content after half a year of waiting in unacceptable.

I'd rather see this game die than continue being treated like dogshit by devs who don't give two shits about the product they're making tbh.

Edit: 691

 

[Negativpro0]

I understood your point of view and it has a place to be, but still the daughter of an overbearing politician who forces herself to be respected with combat skills, I don't know, I'm probably just not satisfied with the format of such a submission, the only case where sabia's dominance looks good is marley the cat girl and no, not because she is smaller because her character is like a child and it's easy for her manage

Her dad was a general and thought her how to hunt, she also served in the military for a lot of time. Despite difference in size if weapons are involved size and strenght matters less. Also unless your bone structure is different ( like Gorillas ) a punch in the face or the nuts still gonna hurt you unless the person is really weak. I guess they also play this thing on the agility difference but this a false stereotype people get from media, being larger size does not mean you are slower, mostly not that much slower. If smaller people had a chance in a barehanded fight we would not have different categories for boxers, but that is a sport, even if you are as big as Gregor Clegane, a kick in the nut, a punch in the throat, a finger in your eye, will still hurt.

Also yes i think them dropping at 691 is their lowest point for the moment. Yes let's hope they wake up and start doing a better job

 

[Great730]

Thank you, I apparently missed that her father is a general, it's nice to know about gorillas, what in your opinion is the weight of an orc and height, it seems to me that the minimum weight starts from 140kg and then about the height from 210 centimeters, so yes, blows to the adam's apple, eyes and groin will have an effect, but here it seems to me one sweeping slap on the back of the head and there will be more concussions moreover, according to statistics, strength wins 70% out of a hundred, not speed, but in any case, this is still a fantasy world, and I probably look at things too realistically, so when Sabia defeats an orc three heads taller and weighing more than 2 times higher than her, well, it's strange, although again it's not Claire quest and here it is necessary to win And yes, I am also pleased with the decline of their patreon, maybe they will finally forget about the fast graphics and finally get Sabia out of the tent about the fact that she will leave the orc camp and I don't dream anymore

 

[scheriel]

their Patreon count is going up again
Can someone pls place a warning sign somewhere to prevent those poor souls from making a mistake

 

[BigBiggieBig]

their Patreon count is going up again
Can someone pls place a warning sign somewhere to prevent those poor souls from making a mistake

Back to 703 at the time of posting, actually crazy how clueless some people are, they see a new update and just sign up for the patreon cash grab without noticing patterns or reading up on the devs' history.

A fool and his gold...