Ok this is weird. I was 99% sure they would surprise us with a completed game right after New Years Eve. Guess they are actually only milking the game and trying to scam their patreons. Colour me suprised.
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By the way, I wrote this in Russian under the nickname General ZSU ))))
If anything, I paid them a total of 1 dollar 2 years ago lol)
you can write in discord even without a current subscription, I just got fucked up that no one writes in chat, so I decided to write something).
From my exposure to both, i think that folks in this forum sometimes outpace the discord chat. It's pretty dead in there on the KoD general thread most days.
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Has there been any explanation where the artist went?
Aren't they working on a new game?
I'm not on discord, but so far the old news that got here are:
Nomo (artist, team lead), missing for almost two years now. Had a brief stream over half a year ago, but no word since.
Monsinne: (writer) started working on another game and at the same time he is supposed to be writing the massive third part of the current filler.
NDS: well, he can't do much without new art or writing, so he is doing nothing at the moment.
I believe the second game Monsinne was attached to got canceled already. They were gauging interest in the concept and then decided against moving forward. I'm guessing partly because Monsinne's involvement got very little positive feedback lol
Some day i'm gonna make a renpy remake of this game but with a proper gameplay and if I can add some new scenes with AI
- Jun 28, 2020
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If someone really does a remake, I wanted to put in my two cents. What really touched me in this game is how the main character begins to adapt to the orc society. How at some point, while doing a quest outside the camp, she calmly asks an unfamiliar orc for directions, which surprises him greatly. And then she reflects on this topic. After all, at first she considered them savages and even animals. It was really cool to read and watch how her thinking changes. When the old orc in the bar tells her about the orcish language and that he speaks about himself in the third person, imitating the rules of their language and that in their culture it was previously considered good manners to speak exactly like that, I really hoped that the main character would at some point be so inspired that he would also start talking about himself like that, this would be a real turning point. But for some reason the developers decided that this game should focus on the huge green dicks sticking out from every corner, although its merits lie in a completely different plane, in my opinion.
And regarding the division into the paths of submission and domination. It was a really cool idea, but unfortunately, it is most likely a dead end from the start. Because here you need to make two separate games. For an obedient heroine, it is completely absurd and unrealistic to command a squad of orcs, only to adapt to the desires of one of the commanders, carrying out her revenge and so on, within the framework of his path. But for this you need to write a separate storyline, here you can’t get away with a few changed phrases in the dialogues.
And regarding the division into the paths of submission and domination. It was a really cool idea, but unfortunately, it is most likely a dead end from the start. Because here you need to make two separate games. For an obedient heroine, it is completely absurd and unrealistic to command a squad of orcs, only to adapt to the desires of one of the commanders, carrying out her revenge and so on, within the framework of his path. But for this you need to write a separate storyline, here you can’t get away with a few changed phrases in the dialogues.
Many versions ago there was a mod to restore the rape scene that you used to be able to get at the start of the game (which was removed, most likely due to Patreon rules being more strictly enforced, but they claimed it was for story pacing reasons). Someone also made some fan scenes that were modded to be available in the game.
They're no longer compatible, since renpy tends to break mods anytime the base game is updated and the authors didn't bother keeping them compatible.
IIRC those mod scenes are all in the gallery mod linked in the first post, but it's been a long time since I tried it with the recent game up[dates.
I generally find that the only satisfying way of utilizing "dominance" and "submission" as stats, without falling into the trap of making two separate games, is to dissociate dom/sub from the MC's character and instead make it about their ability to play each role.
It is not about if Sabia is deep down a dominant or submissive woman, but about how well she can maintain her bravado in the face of a hulking orc shouting her down in a situation when she can't afford to be intimidated, and about how well she can swallow her ego and prostate herself even while being provoked in a situation where she needs to be diplomatic.
There are hints of that design philosophy in the early updates of this game, it is vastly more advantageous to generally play Sabia as dominant to earn the respect of the orc tribe, but if you completely neglect developing Sabia's submissive side she'll struggle to show any humility to Ylva in their initial meetings and be less successful in making an ally out of her.
Ideally, I think the game should have aimed to be moderately satisfying if you focus on playing as purely dominant or as purely submissive, but have a third more optimal path where you could get even better results by carefully balancing and min-maxing the dom and sub points as the game progressed.
It's sad to see what's happening. Nomo is a very talented artist when he puts in the work, it's sad to see him go missing.
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Going back to NN for a moment, in that game my favorite part was how the relationships progressed. Sure, corruption was the mechanic to unlock new scenes and all that, but Riven didn't make friends, allies and lovers just by sleeping around. Initially almost all of her interactions were negative or hostile, but she showed her qualities and won the people over. Irelia saw in her genuine remorse, Katarina someone who could keep up with her and so on. This is why Riven succeeds in the story. It had a charm to it.
KoD started very similarly. Sabia was stuck up and she didn't have her rank or family to rely upon to get things done. Then to progress she had to show her genuine quality traits to the others, ranging from honor to Lutvrog, fun to Maply and humility to Ylva. Heck, she gets to have quite open conversations with the captains in their respective story line quite early on.
Currently patches happen because orc no.78 didn't get to fuck the human bitch whore yet and he wants to show the human bitch whore her place.
KoD started very similarly. Sabia was stuck up and she didn't have her rank or family to rely upon to get things done. Then to progress she had to show her genuine quality traits to the others, ranging from honor to Lutvrog, fun to Maply and humility to Ylva. Heck, she gets to have quite open conversations with the captains in their respective story line quite early on.
Currently patches happen because orc no.78 didn't get to fuck the human bitch whore yet and he wants to show the human bitch whore her place.
- Jun 28, 2020
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I was also thinking about the mages in this game. We were told so much about how cool mages are. We see a minotaur who brings bloody sacrifices to his gods and he is a real killing machine, he is as if he is capable of destroying an entire army on his own. But according to the plot, we know that human mages kicked their hairy asses too.
So, how does the MC even think of confronting his sister and mother?! So far, she is only capable of minor mischief.
I thought that this is why the manticore was introduced into the plot. Considering how the MC almost worships her, being an adherent of the old ways of her people (we are kind of hinted that in the current empire everything is already very different), it is quite obvious that they ... will get closer and the manticore will become the MC's support. But is this enough?
And then I thought about shamanism. I really liked how the ritual at the festival, in which the main character can participate, considering it something humiliating and stupid, later turns out to be something much more complicated and she will receive praise from the shaman.
Developing this theme, could the main character start practicing shamanism? It seems to be mentioned in passing that she has an innate predisposition to magic, but she did not go down this path, because she always went against her authoritarian mother.
If the magic that the imperial magicians practice can be imagined as the subordination of reality to one's will. Then shamanism is rather... coexistence. The way shamans interact with spirits is similar to how the main character interacts with the orc tribe, of which she became a part. This is both mutual use and an attempt to get along together, despite the fact that they are very different. Developing this idea, I see a series of quests, where the main character, developing his relationship with the shaman, also interacts with different elemental spirits (oh, how much fun you can come up with here, if you know what I mean), for example. It would be strange if she eventually became a real shaman. But having acquired, for example, the ability to strengthen her armor (spirit of the earth) and enchant weapons with fire (spirit of fire), or even the ability to temporarily acquire protection from elemental damage, she would have become a pretty good anti-mage. And the ability to beat up your sister would have looked much more realistic. Even in today's reality, where fights are so miserable that they just exist. You can implement a really cool scene. Where the main character cuts up his sister's defenders, receiving a ton of elemental damage from her every turn, pressing elemental protection in time, and finally gets through to her in hand-to-hand combat. And then... well, it would be weird to kill her right away, wouldn't it? :3
So, how does the MC even think of confronting his sister and mother?! So far, she is only capable of minor mischief.
I thought that this is why the manticore was introduced into the plot. Considering how the MC almost worships her, being an adherent of the old ways of her people (we are kind of hinted that in the current empire everything is already very different), it is quite obvious that they ... will get closer and the manticore will become the MC's support. But is this enough?
And then I thought about shamanism. I really liked how the ritual at the festival, in which the main character can participate, considering it something humiliating and stupid, later turns out to be something much more complicated and she will receive praise from the shaman.
Developing this theme, could the main character start practicing shamanism? It seems to be mentioned in passing that she has an innate predisposition to magic, but she did not go down this path, because she always went against her authoritarian mother.
If the magic that the imperial magicians practice can be imagined as the subordination of reality to one's will. Then shamanism is rather... coexistence. The way shamans interact with spirits is similar to how the main character interacts with the orc tribe, of which she became a part. This is both mutual use and an attempt to get along together, despite the fact that they are very different. Developing this idea, I see a series of quests, where the main character, developing his relationship with the shaman, also interacts with different elemental spirits (oh, how much fun you can come up with here, if you know what I mean), for example. It would be strange if she eventually became a real shaman. But having acquired, for example, the ability to strengthen her armor (spirit of the earth) and enchant weapons with fire (spirit of fire), or even the ability to temporarily acquire protection from elemental damage, she would have become a pretty good anti-mage. And the ability to beat up your sister would have looked much more realistic. Even in today's reality, where fights are so miserable that they just exist. You can implement a really cool scene. Where the main character cuts up his sister's defenders, receiving a ton of elemental damage from her every turn, pressing elemental protection in time, and finally gets through to her in hand-to-hand combat. And then... well, it would be weird to kill her right away, wouldn't it? :3
- Sep 11, 2020
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I like the variety of the plot and the opportunity to play a character without a lot of pornography, without making Sabia an orc whore. Well-written characters, their motives are clear. The only thing I didn't like was the Kia part. In my opinion, the author has lost his way, believing that this game attracts people with nsfw art.
It looks like they have problems with the artist. I suspect that there is also a creative crisis for the entire team. I really hope the project gets a full version. But given that the messages here are from 2017, there is reason to believe that the project has no future.
Another good thing is that there is a world map. That is, the author envisioned a huge fantasy world with traveling and so on, but something went wrong.
KoD is known to me since 2021. It's very sad that so little content has been added during this time. The story did not develop at all. I deliberately skipped a huge amount of the content of this game, as I roleplay Sabia at the dominance and self-respect (think about how a tent whore can lead the fearsome orcs). Autor could simply leave all the pornography with the branches of the plot before the ritual, and then focus on the plot with fewer options for the story. This would be enough, because the core of Sabia's character can be played out at the beginning.
Anyway looks like I've become a fan of this game.
It looks like they have problems with the artist. I suspect that there is also a creative crisis for the entire team. I really hope the project gets a full version. But given that the messages here are from 2017, there is reason to believe that the project has no future.
Another good thing is that there is a world map. That is, the author envisioned a huge fantasy world with traveling and so on, but something went wrong.
KoD is known to me since 2021. It's very sad that so little content has been added during this time. The story did not develop at all. I deliberately skipped a huge amount of the content of this game, as I roleplay Sabia at the dominance and self-respect (think about how a tent whore can lead the fearsome orcs). Autor could simply leave all the pornography with the branches of the plot before the ritual, and then focus on the plot with fewer options for the story. This would be enough, because the core of Sabia's character can be played out at the beginning.
Anyway looks like I've become a fan of this game.
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- Jun 28, 2020
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There was an interesting moment at the beginning of the game. If the main character worked in the tents before the interrogation at the chieftain's council. There they give her a description and she prepares herself to be humiliated. But on the contrary, they praise her, saying that she conscientiously does her job and is generally a good girl. Which surprises her greatly.
And further in the plot, the main character is faced with the fact that her ideas about private property do not work here, among the orcs. Despite the fact that she invested in the Tents, both with labor and money, this does not make the Tents her property.
What exactly are we talking about? This is a tribe. Everything is different here. And I got the impression that the authors initially wanted to weave something like this into the story, but then spat, because it is difficult. And so, really, if we were shown a completely different society, alien to us, existing according to different laws. Anything would be possible there. For example, the main character could be despised for being a human and a former officer in the army that was engaged in the genocide of orcs. But at the same time respected for her contribution to the well-being of the tribe and servicing orcish members. You can bring in some temple prostitution from antiquity as a basis. It would be truly unusual and fresh. Morrowind and dunmer women come to mind as an implementation of this.
- May 22, 2021
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Is there a date for the next update or an estimated time in which it could drop?
Ah yes, dear friend, it seems like you are drawn to some of the best aspects of the game's worldbuilding that Sierra Lee wrote into it when she was still on the team. This is what really drew me in from liking to loving this game (back in the beginning) and is something i enjoy reading and thinking through in her other games, novels, and writing.
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