VN Ren'Py Kingdom of Deception [v0.14.2.2] [Hreinn Games]

[manscout]

Sierra is just a consummate professional. People wishing she would somehow come back to this or revive the project on her own don't seem to understand the Hreinn stuff was more of just a job/collab to her.

Even for Noxian Nights her general feelings are more-or-less "I was asked to make a corruption game so I gave it a try". She is a good game designer and writer but she didn't have the creative control and wasn't interested in making run-of-the-mill corruption games, so with KoD she probably reached a point where she wasn't creatively invested in it and didn't really think the job was worth the hassle anymore.

I don't think SL is super opposed to non-con as long as it has narrative relevance, she just won't write it as a random meaningless scene for the player to beat off to. The amount of people that complained back in the day about how there wasn't an option to let Sabia be groped/raped by the random orcs during her waitress job must have been exhausting.

Anyway, with the game now officially dead, the best hope is for an eventual spiritual successor/remake. I don't think anything like that will come from Sierra though, at most I could only see it as very loosely related if she decides to make a project centered around a female protagonist ascending to power through cunning and manipulation, using sex as a weapon, etc etc.

 

[DreamingAway]

Sierra is just a consummate professional. People wishing she would somehow come back to this or revive the project on her own don't seem to understand the Hreinn stuff was more of just a job/collab to her.

Even for Noxian Nights her general feelings are more-or-less "I was asked to make a corruption game so I gave it a try". She is a good game designer and writer but she didn't have the creative control and wasn't interested in making run-of-the-mill corruption games, so with KoD she probably reached a point where she wasn't creatively invested in it and didn't really think the job was worth the hassle anymore.

I don't think SL is super opposed to non-con as long as it has narrative relevance, she just won't write it as a random meaningless scene for the player to beat off to. The amount of people that complained back in the day about how there wasn't an option to let Sabia be groped/raped by the random orcs during her waitress job must have been exhausting.

Anyway, with the game now officially dead, the best hope is for an eventual spiritual successor/remake. I don't think anything like that will come from Sierra though, at most I could only see it as very loosely related if she decides to make a project centered around a female protagonist ascending to power through cunning and manipulation, using sex as a weapon, etc etc.

Sierra did mention recently she is looking for a game to collab with on but I doubt this would be an option especially since Nomo is AWOL / unreliable right now.

As you said Sierra really does treat this as a job and is quite professional about it. She meets commitments and supports her products and treats her customers like customers, she's unlikely to collab on a shit show like this.

So KoD fans only salvation is AI slop.

 

[Xill]

I wasn't talking about other games.

Again, you'd be surprised.

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[Enigmanic]

... Anyway, with the game now officially dead, the best hope is for an eventual spiritual successor/remake. ...

After five years of running multiple erotic online roleplaying campaigns, I would kill to be able to write for a game like KoD. If you folks find a talented artist and a coder, I'd happily start it off. I'd even write for the first 3 months for free.

 

[Azurite]

I was a fly on the wall for those convos in Discord and Patreon. It was a number of things.

1 - Creative differences: Nomo and NDS felt that her story lines and world-building were too much. They didn't want to have to do so much work.

2 - Personal tastes:
A: Sierra wanted Sabia to have more opportunities for lesbian romances.
B: Sierra is not a fan of non-con.
She wrote non-con scenes for NN because Nomo and the fans wanted it. But she didn't agree with how much rape and gangbang content Nomo and NDS wanted in KoD.

Thanks for sharing with us! Can't believe Sierra was for more hot lesbian romances and Nomo was against it, no NevexSabia for us.

 

[Enigmanic]

Thanks for sharing with us! Can't believe Sierra was for more hot lesbian romances and Nomo was against it, no NevexSabia for us.

Yes, it's true. I stopped pledging after several years and left the Discord after Nomo and I got into a heated argument in DM's.
When I chewed him out about all the content they abandoned and then complained about Sierra leaving, he actually told me that Sierra had wanted Sabia to mostly be a lesbian who only has sex with men when it's to her advantage.

 

[HikkiXxX]

Yes, it's true. I stopped pledging after several years and left the Discord after Nomo and I got into a heated argument in DM's.
When I chewed him out about all the content they abandoned and then complained about Sierra leaving, he actually told me that Sierra had wanted Sabia to mostly be a lesbian who only has sex with men when it's to her advantage.

It would be a waste to only see Sabia to only lesbian, and, to be honest, Nomo lied to you, I mean, Monsinne wanted to make Sabia X Amelia, and also Sabia x Neve scenes... and the redhead catgirl. My guess? Nomo lost his passion, understandable, just a shame, the game (mostly the art) had potential, but in big 2025 the game should be already complete. AI is bad so, maybe another artist can revive this game (sorry if my english is bad, hopefully everybody can understand what I wrote)

 

[404NoNamegr]

You'd be surprised considering how many AI art games have been appearing here lately and how many of them are quite popular.

Vast majority of them are low effort stuff.

 

[Verizel]

Sierra is just a consummate professional. People wishing she would somehow come back to this or revive the project on her own don't seem to understand the Hreinn stuff was more of just a job/collab to her.

Even for Noxian Nights her general feelings are more-or-less "I was asked to make a corruption game so I gave it a try". She is a good game designer and writer but she didn't have the creative control and wasn't interested in making run-of-the-mill corruption games, so with KoD she probably reached a point where she wasn't creatively invested in it and didn't really think the job was worth the hassle anymore.

I don't think SL is super opposed to non-con as long as it has narrative relevance, she just won't write it as a random meaningless scene for the player to beat off to. The amount of people that complained back in the day about how there wasn't an option to let Sabia be groped/raped by the random orcs during her waitress job must have been exhausting.

Anyway, with the game now officially dead, the best hope is for an eventual spiritual successor/remake. I don't think anything like that will come from Sierra though, at most I could only see it as very loosely related if she decides to make a project centered around a female protagonist ascending to power through cunning and manipulation, using sex as a weapon, etc etc.

Well... If its a job and she open to something new, why not give it a shot? Fan of the game can even like raise a kick-start fund to show commitment. Better to try and lose, rather then just to accept defeat. Even if it would be spiritual succesor rather then KoD itself.
And even if she refuse -- well, Enigmatic vouched to be ready. We can use rised kick-started fund for that reboot instead. I'm not a coder, but ready to try to help with some writing or support materials if necessary (like to draw map for setting or something). And even if there is no artist, well, at very least we can have AI. It can be at least work as placeholder until somebody would not be interested in rebooted project. Thus, only question would be a coder, really.

I was a fly on the wall for those convos in Discord and Patreon. It was a number of things.

1 - Creative differences: Nomo and NDS felt that her story lines and world-building were too much. They didn't want to have to do so much work.

2 - Personal tastes:
A: Sierra wanted Sabia to have more opportunities for lesbian romances.
B: Sierra is not a fan of non-con.
She wrote non-con scenes for NN because Nomo and the fans wanted it. But she didn't agree with how much rape and gangbang content Nomo and NDS wanted in KoD.

I would prefer story about rising-to-power lesbian as mentioned above far better than another slop of eroge by plot.I dont even care and just de-install if there is nothing to be invested in.
Non-con... well, why not let it be optional as instrument sometimes (which makes in con actually?..), but I agree, it should be sensible to a plot.

Thus essentially, I believe everyone now understood, that another bimbofied protagonist is rather detriment to the game then supporting wet eroge.

 

[RandomServant77]

Creative differences: Nomo and NDS felt that her story lines and world-building were too much. They didn't want to have to do so much work.

That's insanity considering the amount of plotlines and random characters that got added later on. Entire chunk of plot where haphazardly injected then forgotten. The basic plotline of KoD at the beginning was "Sabia gets revenge by manipulating orcs and possibly other survivors of Fantasy Genocide". You could have reliably closed it in the orc camp if you wanted to.

I would prefer story about rising-to-power lesbian as mentioned above far better than another slop of eroge by plot.

I'd say it would have been interesting. Sierra does use the "sex as control" theme sometimes, but I'd wonder if it would not have done wonders for the degenerating dominance/submission theme. For a Dominant Sabia you get her lesbian harem and sex with males as a bargaining chip/control method (with femdom themes for those who like 'em) and Submissive Sabia isn't a dumb bimbo but grows to enjoy the act with men beyond mere manipulation.

I mean, for eroge standard the plotline of a manipulative lesbian seeking revenge by maneuvering men isn't completely novel, but it's at least intriguing compared to orc cumdumpster all day every day.

 

[Xill]

I wish we'd get a dominant Sabia that likes to be under a massive orc as he ravages her all night long while she encourages him.

 

[scheriel]

Hold up there are some actual news. *edit

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

I come to check up on this thread basically once a year, and... Well well well, if it isn't OVER.

 

[scheriel]

The one thing that bothers me is that they haven't halted their monthly charges. They literally haven't done nothing for at least half a year and they still charge their members.

 

[Partyboy78]

Wasn't there a group here sharing their own art & offering to write a story before being asked to move it to a different thread? Hreinn finally concluding the project on their end might give them an actual chance to do it if they're still serious.

 

[Alimtheir]

I wish we'd get a dominant Sabia that likes to be under a massive orc as he ravages her all night long while she encourages him.

Eh, just make several routes. Quality is when you can choose a way

 

[nyqz]

I rest my case. Compare this with the bar groping scene. This is awful. If we engage further, the repeatable scenes are a complete scandal and the top-down scenes a travesty. We get more orc ass than Sabia, everyone is poorly drawn with proportions that now vary not because they're different characters but because Nomo doesn't give a shit anymore.

There's still some decent scenes occasionally, but it's kind of interesting how the decline starts relatively quickly after Sierra goes away. I'm not saying that we should hop on the bandwagon of "Sierra leaving nuked the game" (even if it's true) but something got awry on the art quality fairly soon. All the best KoD art is right at the beginning.

And pardon for the spergin', it's like this is a real forum or something

Consistency was always a big weakpoint for Nomo. It just became more and more noticable as their shading got better, because it made their weaker art look even worse in comparison.

 

[nyqz]

Knowing that it's actually abandoned for real does make me want to go back and have another shot at making some fan scenes. One of the big blockers was being worried about future updates conflicting with what was added, but I don't think we need to worry about that anymore.

 

[Verizel]

Eh, just make several routes. Quality is when you can choose a way

Once upon a time, it was a whole idea behind this game. It was a good time.

 

[Apalos]

What a god damn shame, this was the game that brought me to this site. For it to just wither like this? Damn shame.