Perdurabo

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Is that a planned function or a bug. When i let someone test a serum i can use all my stamina with talk/complimet or flirt to repeat the growing 0,2 mastery points for the tested serum. That is in my eyes much to much becauce i jump in one month to advanced serums and i am looking to get the futuristic serums soon.
Unethical human experimentation often produces results at an astounding rate.
 
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hyfka

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hi

Is that a planned function or a bug. When i let someone test a serum i can use all my stamina with talk/complimet or flirt to repeat the growing 0,2 mastery points for the tested serum. That is in my eyes much to much becauce i jump in one month to advanced serums and i am looking to get the futuristic serums soon.
Everything in this game is both to some extend.
 
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hi

Is that a planned function or a bug. When i let someone test a serum i can use all my stamina with talk/complimet or flirt to repeat the growing 0,2 mastery points for the tested serum. That is in my eyes much to much becauce i jump in one month to advanced serums and i am looking to get the futuristic serums soon.
Works as designed as far as I know, but who knows if it will change. It does seem pretty quick to the point that extra research into a trait is almost entirely pointless.
 

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Works as designed as far as I know, but who knows if it will change. It does seem pretty quick to the point that extra research into a trait is almost entirely pointless.
Observing via talk actions to raise mastery has been the most efficient way for a while because that's how we're supposed to do it. Vren only recently changed Nora's experimental traits so they can technically be researched the slow way in the lab because so many players don't pay attention to Steph when she tutorials us how to observe for mastery
 
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Observing via talk actions to raise mastery has been the most efficient way for a while because that's how we're supposed to do it. Vren only recently changed Nora's experimental traits so they can technically be researched the slow way in the lab because so many players don't pay attention to Steph when she tutorials us how to observe for mastery
My point is that it is an odd game design choice to have option a) spend 20 person-turns of work for 1.0 mastery increase for ONE trait or b) spend 1 turn of 30 energy getting 0.4 mastery (or more likely 1 turn of 195 energy getting 1.3 mastery) for 5+ traits.

The mastery research path should be removed or repurposed somehow. Maybe observing it could give Mastery which lowers side effect chance while research would give Expertise (or whatever) that increases the effects, for example.

Or just remove the mastery research and call it good for now, in my opinion. That would also reinforce the "make serum, test, observe, make new version" that seems to be the goal.
 

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the system is not bad, i play it for fun since lab rats 1. I spend much time to gamble with the serums and the money. I miss much done work becauce i have no idea what it does. Mom sis and aunt are not my interest, becauce they are to much work at the beginning and later with all serums it looks to easy to break them. Where is the fun in striptease, instapics and things where i get nothing new. Now i need to remember how and where are those people with special stats for nora. I ask my self can i make them with using serums in a bad way. I like to make the girls strong with their stats, 8 points intelligence or what is needed for her work plus daily serum is at the end to much. What can i do with so much money and research points? The first month are great, but that i start always again and try something new.
 

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I didn't call you an idiot. I question your negativity and cognitive dissonance because I think you are intelligent but wrong.

You keep stating Vren can't code but clearly they have created a successful game because people play, enjoy, and support it.

My objection is that you are shitting on a developer working on their project.



I've been following the codebase off an on for more than one year. They typically stub out a lot of features and return to flesh it out later. You didn't find an example of the developer doing minimum effort you found work in progress.



That's disingenuous. There is a free full version. Typically reliably released with new features every single month. Tell me you're not one of those people who believe that developers should make something people enjoy, use, and value and want to support but developers don't deserve any financial help. Not even your money (you never paid) but you're upset that other people want to support their work with their hard earned money. This sounds like rank jealousy. Essentially trying to cancel their project? Is that you? Is that who you want to be?



The making it clear it's WIP is a valid criticism and suggestion, in my opinion. Making that suggestion in a positive way could improve the game you care about. A while ago, I suggested unit tests to catch some frequent bugs. To their credit, they added some test coverage. Doesn't fit your narrative about their "minimum effort", does it?



Yes, you seem perfectly reasonable. I think you have a negatively hot take worthy of introspection. If I saw someone shitting on your efforts and work I would react same.
I would say that had he explained certain things don't do anything it would have definitely prevented any statement from me. It's more likely I would of offered to help get some things working as I just can't help myself when it comes to working on code. I bring up the income, because it's not charity. In my own patreon I consistently give clear communication of what is current, in development, or currently frozen. It's not that I'm bothered people want to pay him, it's that it makes me feel stupid that I go through that much effort when I could possibly get away with doing none of that.
 

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Taboo Break Walkthrough for Jennifer & Lily

This guide should hopefully help anyone seeking to break and keep broken any of the taboos with Jennifer & Lily. I will first define each tier of taboo along with each individual taboo that can be broken at that tier. I will then list, first for Jennifer and then for Lily, the choices which can be taken once the taboo refresh event fires, including any quests you can take on for potential additional rewards

Taboo Tiers
Foreplay: this tier covers breast and pussy nudity, kissing, groping, fingering, tit fuck, and handjob (when she takes control during sex). I suspect underwear nudity is also at this tier, but it appears to stay broken once broken. This is the tier with the greatest number of individual taboos that can be broken per day
Oral: this tier covers blowjob (and its two levels of escalation, Deepthroat and Skull Fuck, which do not count as additional taboos) and cunnilingus, so two sex actions that can break oral taboo per day
Vaginal: this tier covers all vaginal sex. It can be broken once per day
Anal: this tier covers all anal sex. It too can be broken once per day

When you see Jennifer or Lily on a day after breaking one of her taboos, she will confront you in an automatic event that fires upon entering the room she occupies. If you can't satisfy one of the instant solutions (incest opinion or number of taboo breaks), you will have to either propose a quest to earn access, or accept defeat for now. She will lose 10 sluttiness and the taboos in question will be restored. If you broke multiple taboos at different tiers in one day this event might occur for each tier, losing you an additional 10 sluttiness each time. It pays to not skip ahead with Jennifer and Lily unless you have a strategy. Stick to one tier at a time until it's broken for good, then move on to another. I find it easiest to go in order by tier, but you aren't required to. If she has the sluttiness to do it, you can skip tiers to what you like most. Just remember that if she takes control during sex, she might break one of the tiers you've left unbroken and then you're dealing with that the next day

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And that's it! Feel free to ask for clarification on anything except Jennifer's PC password ^_^
 
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So if Lily/Jennifer/other hates a particular interaction, will they eventually accept that interaction if you continue enough times or does it take a trance action to force them to like that interaction? :unsure:
 

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So if Lily/Jennifer/other hates a particular interaction, will they eventually accept that interaction if you continue enough times or does it take a trance action to force them to like that interaction? :unsure:
If you raise their sluttiness or obedience high enough or gain situational bonuses to sluttiness with high happiness, love (only counts when alone) or arousal, they will eventually let you do X with them even if they hate it. But no, their opinion will never change on its own or even through countless sex actions. You need to train them via trance
 
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So if Lily/Jennifer/other hates a particular interaction, will they eventually accept that interaction if you continue enough times or does it take a trance action to force them to like that interaction? :unsure:
Are you talking about preferences or Taboos? Taboos can be broken permanently by breaking them repeatedly (see walkthrough above), Preferences you can only adjust via trance.
 
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Taboo Break Walkthrough for Jennifer & Lily
Thanks for the walkthrough, much appreciated!

One question though: I got Lily's Instapic quest early and didn't rat her out. Now, weeks later (I prioritized making money) I finally get to the point where she wants to take topless pictures with mom, but now mom doesn't ask me about Lily anymore. Mom is slutty enough to do it and has an insta account already, but I guess the trigger to advance is in that conversation... is there any way to force that coversation again, or any other alternative apart from brute-forcing it?
 
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Thanks for the walkthrough, much appreciated!

One question though: I got Lily's Instapic quest early and didn't rat her out. Now, weeks later (I prioritized making money) I finally get to the point where she wants to take topless pictures with mom, but now mom doesn't ask me about Lily anymore. Mom is slutty enough to do it and has an insta account already, but I guess the trigger to advance is in that conversation... is there any way to force that coversation again, or any other alternative apart from brute-forcing it?
Every time you take extra topless or nude shots with Lily it sets a flag for Jennifer to ask you about it the following Saturday morning. You can force taking topless or nude shots by making a special request in insta when you check your phone and then going to Lily and doing the shoot right away. If she's slutty enough (over 40 for nude) she'll bring it up after the normal shots. I just tested it in my own game and got Jennifer to ask about it three weekends in a row, with MC repeating the "I guess she's working between classes" lie each time. Tell me if that works for you
 
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