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This was one of the few NTR games where I wound up liking the douche NTR-er (Baroque) more than I do the actual protagonist. Ares is just such a spineless (but very competent in military matters??) character that it's hard to relate to most of his actions.

In a way the entire game feels set up for a non-NTR scenario, where Ares, the returning general usurps the obviously tyrannical kingdom, ending the unrighteous practice of royal inheritance (which rewards absolute power to those with the right blood, rather than the right ideals), and forms his own new kingdom, with a harem of loyal and happy female generals, ushering in a new golden age.

And the thing is, there's nothing stopping Ares from achieving this, except for Ares choosing not to do it.

That story would make more sense to me than what actually happens in the game; it's like someone plotted out what I said, and then someone else came along and cut it to pieces in order to intentionally force an NTR focus into the story instead, because where you actually find NTR in this game it rarely makes all that much sense. And don't get me wrong, I like NTR games, but the problem here is that the story often doesn't respect its own internal logic; Ares constantly makes choices that don't make sense, and his motivations are just not clear at all. His existence seems to revolve around being a slave to the ideal of the holy king, even though there's no definable reason.

I think what strikes me as most incongruous about the NTR is that in most games where the protagonist gets NTR'ed, it's for one or several of the following reasons; (1) The girls are sluts, (2) MC likes seeing the girls cheat, (3) MC is too weak to protect them, (4) MC isn't around to protect them, (5) MC doesn't know it's happening.

From what I can tell all of these points are false; Ares knows it's happening. He doesn't like that it's happening. He has the power to stop it. But he just doesn't do anything.
 

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I think that's not 100% true because it was clearly said in the game world that holy king means everything

So i was also wondering why he can't say fuck to Mister B but he can't

-the story says king need support from people and Noble so Ares can't take power

-if he does, it means war and various faction claiming the rights to power and that's not what he wants

the only stupid thing, our hero ( clever at war ) but dense as fuck when it comes to love and heroine ( poor at love as much as sex ) No Ntr scenario if he wasn't.

Only way for Ares to be looking out for power were to be another interesting road not in the game, his "corrupt road"

For whatever reason he become a madman because of Ntr Treatment

or

Join Hippian Force disgust by King

or

Corruption by demon and becoming one himself.

Author made him to be the good guy were we "player" at least don't mind as much if he suffer from Ntr
 

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I think that's not 100% true because it was clearly said in the game world that holy king means everything
Right at the start of the game noone gives a damn about the holy king. Not the main guy in Diamond City, and not the other factions either. The NTR empire to the east doesnt care either. I dont know where you've read that the holy king means everything?
-the story says king need support from people and Noble so Ares can't take power
That only seems to apply to the first king that dies. Not to B. You would think that with the way he acts he only pisses the population, its soldiers and generals off.

I agree that King B's position in the game doesnt make sense. Being the one that united the kingdom, Ares and the kingdom he choose to support and his generals should have far more power and population support then the king that spends 24/7 in his personal harem of other people's wives.

I like the gameplay related mechanics (harem etc) a lot, but the plot reasons and characters involved (Ares and king) are very weak. It would have made for far better setup if the first king became the harem king. (or hell, even the Kasim (pretty eastern) guy)
 
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Right at the start of the game noone gives a damn about the holy king. Not the main guy in Diamond City, and not the other factions either. The NTR empire to the east doesnt care either. I dont know where you've read that the holy king means everything?

That only seems to apply to the first king that dies. Not to B. You would think that with the way he acts he only pisses the population, its soldiers and generals off.

I agree that King B's position in the game doesnt make sense. Being the one that united the kingdom, Ares and the kingdom he choose to support and his generals should have far more power and population support then the king that spends 24/7 in his personal harem of other people's wives.

I like the gameplay related mechanics (harem etc) a lot, but the plot reasons and characters involved (Ares and king) are very weak. It would have made for far better setup if the first king became the harem king. (or hell, even the Kasim (pretty eastern) guy)
Your thoughts coincide with mine. There's literally no reason for the obsession with the Holy King when outside of the slavery the Hippians are a pretty strong empire. We also see the various Kingdoms led by queens are doing very well for themselves outside of their rivalries with each other.
We also see in the very beginning of the story that once the bloodline was lost most people had no interest in the Holy King and they all fell behind either Gustav or Baroche. If the Holy King was such an important thing not only would the people not allow Gustav to have power and claim to be king supposedly magically he would be punished as (according to legend) no person not the king could become the king.
So really the narrative is pretty weak when it comes to power and its impact on the people.
 
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Also does anyone know how to enter the Island where Seria used to live?
After diamond city conquest scout Port Will, it will open the path to the Island

Right at the start of the game noone gives a damn about the holy king. Not the main guy in Diamond City, and not the other factions either. The NTR empire to the east doesnt care either. I dont know where you've read that the holy king means everything?

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That only seems to apply to the first king that dies. Not to B. You would think that with the way he acts he only pisses the population, its soldiers and generals off.

I agree that King B's position in the game doesnt make sense. Being the one that united the kingdom, Ares and the kingdom he choose to support and his generals should have far more power and population support then the king that spends 24/7 in his personal harem of other people's wives.

I like the gameplay related mechanics (harem etc) a lot, but the plot reasons and characters involved (Ares and king) are very weak. It would have made for far better setup if the first king became the harem king. (or hell, even the Kasim (pretty eastern) guy)
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I agree with you story can be shitty because if Ares got more balls for him, maybe a route were he become himself king and wage war against everyone were to be great.

Like i said earlier maybe after seeing mister B, being a douche king or losing all his general to Hippia or whatever.

But Ares is a good boy and like to serve under "one" and obey order so no hunger for power.

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I worked hard to level basically everybody I have in my first run, only to try the "STORY" option from the game menu. Of course I skipped prologue, reselected Aura faction (Stormlance and Hestia factions are still locked cuz I have to clear them first) and then, lo and behold:

Almost half of my MVP generals are among the enemy factions again hahahah hahahahahahahahah

TLDR: STORY mode is basically new game plus where you carry over item equips and levels (didn't check the unlocked skills and the inventory though, I quit the game in shock)

It doesn't carry over the gold, though

Guess I should prioritize Ares, Seria, Carla, Erwin, Ward, and Muriel (maybe Chloe too) judging from the japanese wiki and the story
 
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I worked hard to level basically everybody I have in my first run, only to try the "STORY" option from the game menu. Of course I skipped prologue, reselected Aura faction (Stormlance and Hestia factions are still locked cuz I have to clear them first) and then, lo and behold:

Almost half of my MVP generals are among the enemy factions again hahahah hahahahahahahahah

TLDR: STORY mode is basically new game plus where you carry over item equips and levels (didn't check the unlocked skills and the inventory though, I quit the game in shock)

It doesn't carry over the gold, though

Guess I should prioritize Ares, Seria, Carla, Erwin, Ward, and Muriel (maybe Chloe too) judging from the japanese wiki and the story
Beatrice is really strong if you build your magical buildings to level 7 and then improve Beatrice to a wizard. Or Cynthia as a Adept is also great for fighting. Ares, Seria and Leane are not that good in my opinion
 
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I worked hard to level basically everybody I have in my first run, only to try the "STORY" option from the game menu. Of course I skipped prologue, reselected Aura faction (Stormlance and Hestia factions are still locked cuz I have to clear them first) and then, lo and behold:

Almost half of my MVP generals are among the enemy factions again hahahah hahahahahahahahah

TLDR: STORY mode is basically new game plus where you carry over item equips and levels (didn't check the unlocked skills and the inventory though, I quit the game in shock)

It doesn't carry over the gold, though

Guess I should prioritize Ares, Seria, Carla, Erwin, Ward, and Muriel (maybe Chloe too) judging from the japanese wiki and the story
If you want to keep your earning don't use skip in restart mode :)

my first run ( stormlance kingdom ), i use hawk thinking he was great before .... bip bip bip ^^ spoiler, then get to lvl Leanne and
Randolph, with a low lvl Ares, but being lucky i also lvl ward class adept with his cheat skill HundredFists

First run end - Muriel ending ( easiest ending to get ) - restart with no skip, select another faction, oh gosh Stormlance Leanne and Randolph will give me a hard time.

Forced to do a re-run in stormlance to lvl starting roster or lvl the guy you will not have to fight
 
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The knight and Cavalry classes suck in this game low speed and power. which is very odd cause Cavalry should be the fastest unit in the game yet it easily gets outflanked by everything. Where can I get that 54 spd Demon unit you'd never lose if you have them
 

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It is good strategy to make your troops learn long range spells and have a few spies, who you can keep at 1/1 troops. Ares and mages can learn some useful spells but it's not that easy. They have to come up with the right move in the battle which might require some save scumming. Ares can learn Thunderstorm, Beatrice and Sabrina Aqua Stream, Dorothy can learn something like lava rain or maybe even Meteor rain, Wendy can learn Tornado and Quake, Rakwaroth can learn Tornado, his brothers probably too, Vertinus got that Meteor Rain. Also Seria, Keith can learn One Million Strikes skill, which is also long range attack and probably those bandit looking commanders like Shark can learn it too cause one of them (Eagle) did. Also they should have Ignite from the start so they can be useful as spies. Nora is a great spy with Bomb from the start and she can learn Massive Bomb.
Therefore if there's a strong fort to take you send spies and make them Ignite and Bomb the place and get captured, blast it with spells from distance and at the end you can send your cavalry at almost helpless enemy.
A good place to level up with these skills is when you take South Andrea Plains you let the Highland Army take the Fort and they should have 7 commanders there to blast.
 

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Beatrice is really strong if you build your magical buildings to level 7 and then improve Beatrice to a wizard. Or Cynthia as a Adept is also great for fighting. Ares, Seria and Leane are not that good in my opinion
In my new game+ I would have to fight lvl 30 Beatrice with 11400 wizard troops D: ... so I'm starting over and I will level the generals I already have from the start

If you want to keep your earning don't use skip in restart mode :)

my first run ( stormlance kingdom ), i use hawk thinking he was great before .... bip bip bip ^^ spoiler, then get to lvl Leanne and
Randolph, with a low lvl Ares, but being lucky i also lvl ward class adept with his cheat skill HundredFists

First run end - Muriel ending ( easiest ending to get ) - restart with no skip, select another faction, oh gosh Stormlance Leanne and Randolph will give me a hard time.

Forced to do a re-run in stormlance to lvl starting roster or lvl the guy you will not have to fight
by the way, I had help from the wiki so I aimed for Carla in my first run, since my 1st target Cynthia got the Holy King treatment :mad:...I only really looked at wiki during the 2nd part

It is good strategy to make your troops learn long range spells and have a few spies, who you can keep at 1/1 troops. Ares and mages can learn some useful spells but it's not that easy. They have to come up with the right move in the battle which might require some save scumming. Ares can learn Thunderstorm, Beatrice and Sabrina Aqua Stream, Dorothy can learn something like lava rain or maybe even Meteor rain, Wendy can learn Tornado and Quake, Rakwaroth can learn Tornado, his brothers probably too, Vertinus got that Meteor Rain. Also Seria, Keith can learn One Million Strikes skill, which is also long range attack and probably those bandit looking commanders like Shark can learn it too cause one of them (Eagle) did. Also they should have Ignite from the start so they can be useful as spies. Nora is a great spy with Bomb from the start and she can learn Massive Bomb.
Therefore if there's a strong fort to take you send spies and make them Ignite and Bomb the place and get captured, blast it with spells from distance and at the end you can send your cavalry at almost helpless enemy.
A good place to level up with these skills is when you take South Andrea Plains you let the Highland Army take the Fort and they should have 7 commanders there to blast.
I only started using spy skills also during the 2nd half :p

Also I think I should spam related basic skills first to get their advanced versions (like Thunder to Thunderstorm)
 
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I found it fun to try to find all by myself before

I used jap wiki when i got stuck for small details like 1 scene replay and 4 last ending.

In my mind it was

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I was trying to do the Leane route and seem a bit stuck. I'm at 100 loyalty, 100 affection, she's a virgin, Ares hasn't slept with anyone, and the last conversation she had was saying she needed a holy sword. Well, I got the holy sword but I think I messed it up; I sent Cynthia with Ares to the Saint tower or w/e because I didn't think it mattered who went, and it returned a holy spear of some sort. Leane can use it, but when I give it to her she just acts like it's a random weapon. Her dialogue is just stammering Ares do you want to my consort. If I end the game it doesn't let them get married either.
[EDIT] So it's actually the Earth crystal that drops her sword, in south east area, for some reason I thought I read someone saying it was the ice crystal.
 
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I was trying to do the Leane route and seem a bit stuck. I'm at 100 loyalty, 100 affection, she's a virgin, Ares hasn't slept with anyone, and the last conversation she had was saying she needed a holy sword. Well, I got the holy sword but I think I messed it up; I sent Cynthia with Ares to the Saint tower or w/e because I didn't think it mattered who went, and it returned a holy spear of some sort. Leane can use it, but when I give it to her she just acts like it's a random weapon. Her dialogue is just stammering Ares do you want to my consort. If I end the game it doesn't let them get married either.
You need the EvilSwordGarp that you need to take from one of the crystals. Forgot which crystal though

By the way, didn't somebody post some soldier type advantages? I don't know where it is.... something like adepts vs mages vs melee vs something else...
 

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The holy king really isnt important at all.
Having better plot/setup for the Harem part of the NTR (and better scene development imo) would have helped the game quite a since, since after the ''prologue'' the game is pretty barren in terms of plot.

If holy king was not so important, kingdom from Heastia -Aura and Stormlance agreed to join you on the spot after telling them "hey look i've got one holy king for you" when you were under Ludwig and after Baroque
If the holy king was so important, they would have agreed to join you on the spot after you have king B on the throne. They dont. You still have to beat their kingdoms. (FYI: you dont have to beat them before getting B crowned as king)

Its good to find your own reasons if the game's arent enough/very good as that can make enjoyment better for you. That wont change the state of the actual game tho.

If the Harem instead involved the previous good king, who doesnt want to ntr you but has to, or Kasim who somehow gained the throne via spying and decided to say FY to his brothers...that would have been a lot more interesting Harem NTR setting that makes more sense. The first would give a good reason for Holy Kings actually being important, and the second a good reason for taking your generals. (also because he could offer/give sabotage/info in return)
People Like said in prologue see Holy king like an idol or a supreme being because one Holy king bring peace for 400 years so they have a lot of trust in the holy king
I dunno if you understand the plot well enough if you say that. You do know that every single king of that bloodline has been a holy king right? And no, none of them lived for 400 years.

Anyway again, I loved the game's mechanics. It just has poorly thought out setup in its plot (what little plot there is) likely as result of the development hell the game went through. (it took almost 1 and a half years from planned release to actual release)

Their next planned game seems to have much smaller scale (its about a group of dungeon adventurers) so hopefully they can do better with it. That said im not expecting much in terms of release time. It will likely take a long time before that game is ready for release. Since I enjoy their art (and ntr in general) I'll be looking forward to it regardless.[/QUOTE]
 

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You need the EvilSwordGarp that you need to take from one of the crystals. Forgot which crystal though

By the way, didn't somebody post some soldier type advantages? I don't know where it is.... something like adepts vs mages vs melee vs something else...
Its more dependant on unit stats rather then unit types. Priest unit types tend to have high INT and thus magic resist, so they are good against mages. Melee/physical tends to have low INT so they are weak to magic damage, etc.

Mage types are good against most things that arent priests. (Beatrice and the old Wizard guy can carry the game for you on their own, if you are playing below black) Some skills are OP as well, tho its easiest to get the OP ones on magic characters like Beatrice.
 
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The holy king really isnt important at all.
Having better plot/setup for the Harem part of the NTR (and better scene development imo) would have helped the game quite a since, since after the ''prologue'' the game is pretty barren in terms of plot.
Imo , story made holy king important for a part of its Ntr setup (Harem).

-prologue start with it's lore
-when Ares learn about ludwig (holy king successor) , it's when game truly start because he want him to be the holy king
-you choose and go into one faction as soon as they saw holy king, "yes we join"
-other faction game system want you to fight them before you are able to talk to them ( but agree to join when you say hey "holy king" so join )
-kasim plot about holy king and lineage
-they suck up to holy king and say nothing about harem system even if they don't like it
-when B betray Ares the war hero, no one go to defend him even if B is trash
-demon try to usurp holy king to conquer land faster

holy king is not important at all ^^

the story and plot

i'm not defending the story, but well, ntr stories never have a good plot to begin with.

Ludwig obvious good guy in order for player to hate Kasim and later hate B.

Maybe author also thought of making Ludwig a trashy king but after all say nah stupid idea or people will not be able to accept or believe it

If the Harem instead involved the previous good king, who doesnt want to ntr you but has to, or Kasim who somehow gained the throne via spying and decided to say FY to his brothers...that would have been a lot more interesting Harem NTR setting that makes more sense. The first would give a good reason for Holy Kings actually being important, and the second a good reason for taking your generals. (also because he could offer/give sabotage/info in return)
Kasim for king would have been too much of a plot for obvious reason ( hippian guy hated by highland people - well nice try ) unless he know large scale magic to corrupt everyone in order to think he is the next heir to the throne.

The only reason for Kasim to be king extra scenario where you lose when you have to defend diamond city against hippian army but then don't think Ares will gladly serve Kasim.

I dunno if you understand the plot well enough if you say that. You do know that every single king of that bloodline has been a holy king right? And no, none of them lived for 400 years.
A bit confusing about what i said, wanna said the first holy king or the system of successor brought by first holy king brought peace to the kingdom.

Their civilization can be compared as middle age where their loyalty for the king can be seen as whorshiping a god.

And Ares if was not fired by Gustav even if he was no great king, he was not thinking of doing something against him.

Only want the king to do better for kingdom and its people.

I'm not saying story is great but when it's porn game never seen a game where all can be good ( story - art and gameplay- sex scene )

Some people don't expect much from this game except a good fap.

Hope like you said, his next game will be better storywise.


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Sorry to ask but how you guys check affection? I can only see loyalty in the status
Look at status screen for each women after diamond city conquest under next lvl pink stat affection

if you have no affection stat for a woman various reason

-not get her in this playtrough because have not start with her faction
-lock in one particular woman route ( but breakable )
-if hippian get her to first sex scene no more possible to get

if you want to raise said stat, give her gift, after reaching an affection lvl just talk to her to get scene
 
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