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Grif1001

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Hi, this is why I avoided going Cece's way first, but did it last. I don't think it's fair to feel ridiculous because this story is heavily loaded with emotions, sad and happy. I'm not a particularly emotionally sensitive guy, and I'm not ashamed to say it, I cried like a child.
Drifty gave us a story, a slice of his life that he was able to transcend, ultimately leaving us a positive message, and that's not only courageous of him - talking about this kind of drama can be real torture - but also a gift that is good for the soul and the heart.

Regarding your question about Cece's illness, only Drifty could answer. Having had a similar experience with my little sister, whom did not have the chance to be diagnosed or treated, I will simply say that it is not possible to give a name, as the causes can be different and even multiple. Illness or weakness of an organ, blood deficiencies, mental fragility, emotional hypersensitivity, from birth or due to shock, trauma... So many causes, known and unknown. My little sister “suffered” from strong cognitive dissonance at the start. This made her emotionally hypersensitive and led her into abysmal depressive states.

Otherwise, through this VN, Drifty gives us a very beautiful life lesson, and all the paths of the game are in some way a metaphor for the choices we make in our lives. We cannot live by allowing ourselves to be overwhelmed by sorrow.
For the dead, we can do nothing, but for the living, those around us and whom we love, the paths just ask to be explored.
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♂Brout&Minou♀

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Yeah... Cece got me hooked from the first time she appeared on scene. And her following scenes, showing her caring, goofy, fragile sides, just reinforce my decision to choose her when asked by Chris.

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Some interesting posts I read back to page 300, some state that if this is IRL, they would choose other LI over Cece, because choosing someone depressed or suicidal would only hurt yourself. While this is logically sound, IRL, you won't even know someone is suicidal or depressed or have a condition like Cece in advance.
Even if I was made aware of this condition in advance, it would only strengthen my resolve to be with said person. At least I can try to make them happy or less depressed or share their burden.
If I meet someone IRL like Cece (complete with her personality included with foreknowledge of her condition), I would do everything I can to support her all the time. Yes, I would be devastated when she, inevitably, commits ***, not to mention the possibility (only possibility) I would be following her soon, but I know that I have given my best to support her.
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Sorry being rather dark. Please tell me if this needs to be deleted.

Well, the truth is often there where we don't look for it, or don't see it... I often hear people say such things, but they speak with hindsight. This is a kind of mantra that we also often hear from life coaches. By saying this, we think we avoid entering into the wake of torments that no one wants to experience and it has become a concept of life that tries to avoid troubles. But when we encounter it in real life, it's often and fortunately different. There will always be idiots who slow down to take photos of a road accident, but there are still people who will stop to help. Personally, I would find it difficult to turn my head while looking at someone about to be run over while crossing the road or thrown under the wheels of a bus. I like to believe that my survival reflexes don't only apply to me and extend to others, whether they are anonymous to me or not.
In Cece's case, I could never turn my head and think that helping her would ruin my life. It is not a Carthesian choice that requires choosing between losing either an arm or a leg.
Turning your head to avoid problems seems rational to some, but is losing part of your own humanity rational? Would this mean that reaching out to someone in difficulty would drag us down? Saying what our reaction would be, based on the outcome is biased thinking.I know! People will tell me again, yes but knowing that Cece is depressed, I'm not going to risk her dragging me into her spiral. What if, just a hypothesis, what if instead of letting yourself be dragged into her abysses, it was you who dragged her into yours?
But let's take a look at the context of LoF. The MC comes out of a long depression after his breakup. Pushed by his best friend, he finally leaves his den and decides to take control of his life. When he sees Cece, he sees a lonely person without knowing what is hidden behind that face. Understanding that she is going through difficulties, and having experienced moments of solitude, left to his own thoughts, he decides to help her instinctively. Obviously, Cece is a very beautiful girl who tries to hide her distress. He's not a ugly, completely drunk bastard who attacks the first person to come and vomit on them. He thinks she's in trouble and wants to help her, and he realizes the severity of her condition when she makes her first attempt on the bridge. Now, let's put ourselves in the MC's place. Now we know. We barely know this girl through a few friendly exchanges, and Cece's condition is much more serious than it appeared to be. But this girl.... She's not just beautiful. She's smart, a little goofy, funny... The chemistry between our MC and Cece has already made its mark. Turn your back on Cece now? After all, she's taken care of by the hospital, right? “I saved someone from drowning, and now it’s not my problem anymore.” Taking into account the character of the MC, this is neither plausible nor coherent. Turning his back on her now would drag him into a whirlwind of questions and negative thoughts preventing him from sleeping at night and moving forward with the day. It is too late for him to turn back. He's one of those people who couldn't look at himself in a mirror if he didn't do something to help her.
A little anecdote: a few years ago, my eldest daughter came home from high school very late. Disheveled, her clothes partially torn, her face swollen. She then explains to me that she got into a fight with some guys who were harassing a girl from her high school. Shocked, I become angry "why didn't you call me, or call the police, you could have been seriously injured or worse"
she replied "I didn't have time to think, they were pushing her, I'm sorry dad, but I did what everyone should do, and I know that's what you would have done too.” Who do you think, between my daughter and me, was irrational at that moment? She reacted by instinct, in the present moment. I reacted out of fear of imaginary pain.
Like when you witness a scene where a pedestrian is hit by a car. You suffered no physical pain, but yet you contort your face for hours thinking about it.
The moral of this story is that you never know how you will react until you are confronted with a given situation.
 
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ThorinKing

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i wonder if this will be any good it looks interesting so i will check it out to say the least :coffee: (y)
It's a terrific VN with many different endings - you'll get to a save point where you have a significant choice to make (you'll know it when you see it), so definitely need to make a save there and use it as your base to explore the various endings. I recommend using the Mod so that you can see where significant choices are being made in case you want to save off a split route.

Lots of emotion - absolutely stunning story. Hope you enjoy it.
 

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Hello here. I've finished the game and done 3 path (Cece + Steph + Lexi with Chris+Linda on every path). Obviously it's one of the best game here but nothing to add to this that hasn't been said here. I've also read a lot of comment here, the first ~200+ pages, mostly because i wanted to see some reaction after each new chapter release. I find it fun to read how people make theory about the game after playing a bit, when you know what would come but people who are writting a comment at a time when it wasn't possible.

They are still some thing i've not understand yet, like who is this guy with the binocular at the end of chapter 4? Is it Melvin, the fake husband of Steph? I've always welcomed Steph in Lexi's house in my 3 runs, so maybe it's why i've not the answer but i find it odd that they show you this guy and nothing was done with it. Did someone know who is it or what's the theory?
 

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Hello here. I've finished the game and done 3 path (Cece + Steph + Lexi with Chris+Linda on every path). Obviously it's one of the best game here but nothing to add to this that hasn't been said here. I've also read a lot of comment here, the first ~200+ pages, mostly because i wanted to see some reaction after each new chapter release. I find it fun to read how people make theory about the game after playing a bit, when you know what would come but people who are writting a comment at a time when it wasn't possible.

They are still some thing i've not understand yet, like who is this guy with the binocular at the end of chapter 4? Is it Melvin, the fake husband of Steph? I've always welcomed Steph in Lexi's house in my 3 runs, so maybe it's why i've not the answer but i find it odd that they show you this guy and nothing was done with it. Did someone know who is it or what's the theory?
Yes, it's Melvin, the partner who worked with Steph. If you don't forgive Steph, you'll see her taking his place in all scenes we've seen him (like this one, and in the end when the MC's grandpa was arrested).
 

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Yes, it's Melvin, the partner who worked with Steph. If you don't forgive Steph, you'll see her taking his place in all scenes we've seen him (like this one, and in the end when the MC's grandpa was arrested).
Actually, in that case they're both there when you talk to the old man. And he's not getting arrested, they're his detail. He's already been collected and is in whatever program he's in.
 
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They are still some thing i've not understand yet, like who is this guy with the binocular at the end of chapter 4? Is it Melvin, the fake husband of Steph? I've always welcomed Steph in Lexi's house in my 3 runs, so maybe it's why i've not the answer but i find it odd that they show you this guy and nothing was done with it. Did someone know who is it or what's the theory?
I always assumed all the weirdo's were paparazzi keeping an eye on Lexi and the people she associated with. Never occurred to me to think about Steph's fake ex.
 

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Yes, it's Melvin, the partner who worked with Steph. If you don't forgive Steph, you'll see her taking his place in all scenes we've seen him (like this one, and in the end when the MC's grandpa was arrested).
Thanks for the answer. I don't really see why they are watching him. Maybe they are just protecting Lexi and they also watch him in the same time? That would make sense because i think Stephanie was in metronome because she has to protect Lexi, but i'm not sure of it all. And in the same time, if they are here at the MC's grandpa scene, it mean that they could be watching because of the MC, not because of Lexi. It's confusing : s
 

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Thanks for the answer. I don't really see why they are watching him. Maybe they are just protecting Lexi and they also watch him in the same time? That would make sense because i think Stephanie was in metronome because she has to protect Lexi, but i'm not sure of it all. But in the same time, if they are here with at the MC's grandpa scene, it mean that they could be watching because of the MC, not because of Lexi. It's confusing : s
Not really, Steph said it all when the MC and Cece go check on her in the bar. After, when she had a phone call, she refused it and after that when you have the sex scene with Steph at Lexi's, she basically said she was assigned to investigated at protect the MC.

At Metronome, she was there for a one-night job to be Lexi's bodyguard, kinda.

Now, if you refuse Steph at the bar, she answers the phone call and her new job is basically to continue protecting the MC.

Elhemeer, thanks man. I always thought he was basically arrested but was able to talk to MC "one last time" before going to prison.
 

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I always assumed all the weirdo's were paparazzi keeping an eye on Lexi and the people she associated with. Never occurred to me to think about Steph's fake ex.
I think the paparazzi was the one who took the golfball but the fact that Melvin was using a binocular and not a camera was always an odd thing to me. The fact that they show you matt on the same time seemed to me that Drifty where teasing a potential conflict with these 2 antagonist. In the end they wheren't much to do with them so i was confused. (or maybe they are more for matt, i dunno i haven't done the linda route)
 

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Not really, Steph said it all when the MC and Cece go check on her in the bar. After, when she had a phone call, she refused it and after that when you have the sex scene with Steph at Lexi's, she basically said she was assigned to investigated at protect the MC.

At Metronome, she was there for a one-night job to be Lexi's bodyguard, kinda.

Now, if you refuse Steph at the bar, she answers the phone call and her new job is basically to continue protecting the MC.

Elhemeer, thanks man. I always thought he was basically arrested but was able to talk to MC "one last time" before going to prison.
"she was assigned to investigated at protect the MC." I missread that! I was thinking she was refering at the time when they where younger. Thanks, all make sense now.
 

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I always assumed all the weirdo's were paparazzi keeping an eye on Lexi and the people she associated with. Never occurred to me to think about Steph's fake ex.
The guy with a golf-ball in his camera lens is definitely Paparazzi, but the guy with the binocs is Melvin (or Steph if you leave her at the bar).
Thanks for the answer. I don't really see why they are watching him. Maybe they are just protecting Lexi and they also watch him in the same time? That would make sense because i think Stephanie was in metronome because she has to protect Lexi, but i'm not sure of it all. And in the same time, if they are here at the MC's grandpa scene, it mean that they could be watching because of the MC, not because of Lexi. It's confusing : s
Not really, Steph said it all when the MC and Cece go check on her in the bar. After, when she had a phone call, she refused it and after that when you have the sex scene with Steph at Lexi's, she basically said she was assigned to investigated at protect the MC.

At Metronome, she was there for a one-night job to be Lexi's bodyguard, kinda.

Now, if you refuse Steph at the bar, she answers the phone call and her new job is basically to continue protecting the MC.

Elhemeer, thanks man. I always thought he was basically arrested but was able to talk to MC "one last time" before going to prison.
The whole implication with MC's family is that Grandpa was connected to some kind of Arab terrorist organization, and his dad fled the family before getting caught up in it, but he still was a person of interest because of that.

So when he sent MC the $200k, that put him in Homeland's crosshairs; and Steph's actions -- plus the mysterious pictures that turned up -- only exacerbated that situation. If she'd reported in and left as soon as she got what she needed ... well, then there's no story.

As for Grandpa, my take from the conversation they have in the park was that he lost his desire to fight sometime relatively recently, had enough pull to find his family in the US (probably the source of the mysterious pictures right before Steph was arrested), then came over and turned states evidence on the condition he gets one chance to talk with MC, maybe his son as well. So while he wasn't BEING arrested, he was probably under protection as a witness. If he was just under arrest I don't think he gets that chance with so small a group watching him.

All of this is just speculation of course. Drifty purposefully does not include any information about anyone in the game that isn't relevant to the time frame of the story and the 9 main characters. Even the identity of the binocs guy, and that he's Homeland, is just speculation. If you don't bring Steph along, she could have been called by a different agency for all we know. She doesn't get back with Homeland in that case until after Cece is out of the hospital.
 

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We don't actually know the guy with the binocular is Melvin. could just be a random spy.
and we don't really know if the old guy in the park is related to MC or not, either. let alone his grandpa.
we can only speculate and imagine from there :) if MC's family were terrorists, it would be in MC's file and Steph would know and would have told him at some point. if the old guy in the park is related to MC, he could just be someone important from an enemy state that wanted to come visit. that would set tons of alerts at Homeland and they would scramble to find someone to watch MC. MC's dad seemed rich enough to study abroad in the UK and the US. i'm not sure the family of known terrorists would be allowed to come and study freely for months/years.
 
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