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Yeah, I remember that render. She was Jennifer Hanamoto, Legal Secretary in the DA's office.

In terms of Malena, there's all these unresolved threads with her story arc:

Malena's father was assassinated in front of her as a child. Her dream ends when the assassin walks up to her and fires his pistol again. Who was Malena's father? Who was the assassin? Was the assassin an Orc? Why is Malena still alive? Did the assassin intentionally let her live? If so, why?

Who exactly does Malena work for now? Is her military contractor associated in any way with Senator Carrington.

Malena gives her reasons for helping Rockford learn to defend himself, but is that all there is to it? Why is she so obsessed with teaching Rockford to defend himself?

What if there is more than her friendship with Emmeline and now Rockford?

What if Melana has a task of protecting/watching over/monitoring Emmeline, Colleen, and now Rockford in some way (as children of Orcs)? If so, on who's authority? Why does she get so pissed at Rockford expressing a desire to want a relationship with Hobbs (especially as game variables reward telling her that even murders deserve a chance of redemption)?


I'm only spitballing here. I don't know what's going on to explain why Malena is so enigmatic.



The thing about Seo Jun, what she says to Rockford indicates she doesn't know Jamison confirmed to Rockford his "father's death".

As for Seo Jun knowing of his "father's" death from the Carrington Foundation, why didn't she tell Rockford when they dated for six months? Seo Jun dated Rockford sometime between Rockford breaking up with Aghavni (roughly five years before present) and Vega (Rockford's last girlfriend)

My impression of Seo-Jun's comment was that it was based on an assumption, not based on any real information. He's been looking for his whole adult life, and found nothing, and he himself thought his father was probably dead. She was probably referring to that.
 
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The thing about Seo Jun, what she says to Rockford indicates she doesn't know Jamison confirmed to Rockford his "father's death".

As for Seo Jun knowing of his "father's" death from the Carrington Foundation, why didn't she tell Rockford when they dated for six months? Seo Jun dated Rockford sometime between Rockford breaking up with Aghavni (roughly five years before present) and Vega (Rockford's last girlfriend)
We have no clue when she got the information, it could have been even her who did send rockford the package in the beginning on carringtons orders. Or she was instructed to not tell Rockford earlier, we dont know anything about the relationship between Seo Jun and Carrington but he seems to trust her with the foundation.
 

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okay im glad i wasn't spoiled on the twist. and i like the way leaving dna pulled episode 4 twist better than some other game that did similar thing

all in all, nice update!
 
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My impression of Seo-Jun's comment was that it was based on an assumption, not based on any real information. He's been looking for his whole adult life, and found nothing, and he himself thought his father was probably dead. She was probably referring to that.
We have no clue when she got the information, it could have been even her who did send rockford the package in the beginning on carringtons orders. Or she was instructed to not tell Rockford earlier, we dont know anything about the relationship between Seo Jun and Carrington but he seems to trust her with the foundation.
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Yeah, I remember that render. She was Jennifer Hanamoto, Legal Secretary in the DA's office.

In terms of Malena, there's all these unresolved threads with her story arc:

Malena's father was assassinated in front of her as a child. Her dream ends when the assassin walks up to her and fires his pistol again. Who was Malena's father? Who was the assassin?


let's see if i can use spoiler properly,
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i want cassie to be elevated to Main Character instead of Side Character tbh. What little we see of her seems interesting
 
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Here's a random thought for shits & giggles...

Is Malena the mysterious "Jennifer" who visits Colleen? This obviously suggests there is way more going under the hood with Malena than we currently know.

Why do I think this is possible? It depends if the following two points are purely coincidental or not:

1. Malena, by her own admission: "I don't have any travel planned right now. But sometimes I get a call and I'm gone the next day. And then I might be gone for weeks."

2. Mary at the clinic [talking about Jennifer, supposedly from the Carrington Foundation]: "She'll come in like a few weeks in a row and then we won't see her for a while." Seo Jun later confirms to Rockford there is no employee named Jennifer with the Carrington Foundation, since Seo Jun is the only employee.

More circumstantial evidence against Malena:

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You think the Orcs, or Andras' new "group" (which looks like it's just his kid), are the only people capable of this type of stuff? That's very untrue. The Orcs started off as a Delta Force team, but there were others. Other countries have special forces. Malena's dad, if that was truth, was a Cartel head, all of whom have teams of very violent people capable of planning hits and other mayhem. Malena was a combat trainer in the Army, and went private after her discharge. If she is being paid that well (and she commented that she's very well paid), she is definitely not working for Andras, as that is a US government black ops team, and doesn't get paid much, though they get operational funds. It sounds more like she works for a military contractor (like Blackwater, or Academi as they call themselves now).
 
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You think the Orcs, or Andras' new "group" (which looks like it's just his kid), are the only people capable of this type of stuff? That's very untrue. The Orcs started off as a Delta Force team, but there were others. Other countries have special forces. Malena's dad, if that was truth, was a Cartel head, all of whom have teams of very violent people capable of planning hits and other mayhem. Malena was a combat trainer in the Army, and went private after her discharge. If she is being paid that well (and she commented that she's very well paid), she is definitely not working for Andras, as that is a US government black ops team, and doesn't get paid much, though they get operational funds. It sounds more like she works for a military contractor (like Blackwater, or Academi as they call themselves now).
Yeah, but Andras' project is said to be a complete failure, as only one guy is still alive. So it's possible that the army fired Andras and then he started his own venture (or joined some private militar contractor) and hired Malena when she was discharged too. So nowadays Malena could perfectly be working for Andras but not under the government umbrella anymore.
 
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You think the Orcs, or Andras' new "group" (which looks like it's just his kid), are the only people capable of this type of stuff? That's very untrue. The Orcs started off as a Delta Force team, but there were others. Other countries have special forces. Malena's dad, if that was truth, was a Cartel head, all of whom have teams of very violent people capable of planning hits and other mayhem. Malena was a combat trainer in the Army, and went private after her discharge. If she is being paid that well (and she commented that she's very well paid), she is definitely not working for Andras, as that is a US government black ops team, and doesn't get paid much, though they get operational funds. It sounds more like she works for a military contractor (like Blackwater, or Academi as they call themselves now).
Yeah, but Andras' project is said to be a complete failure, as only one guy is still alive. So it's possible that the army fired Andras and then he started his own venture (or joined some private militar contractor) and hired Malena when she was discharged too. So nowadays Malena could perfectly be working for Andras but not under the government umbrella anymore.
I never said that Malena was part of the Orcs et al, or part of a US government organization. The story so far hints that she has similar training for similar clandestine tasks as the Orcs. She herself admits she's done terrible things. Obviously, Senator Jack Carrington will know of all kinds of military and private organizations than conduct clandestine operations for the US Government.

I am simply wondering if she, for whatever reason, is tasked by her employer (whomever that may be) to look out for Colleen and Emmeline or to monitor them.
 
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I never said that Malena was part of the Orcs et al, or part of a US government organization. The story so far hints that she has similar training for similar clandestine tasks as the Orcs. She herself admits she's done terrible things. Obviously, Senator Jack Carrington will know of all kinds of military and private organizations than conduct clandestine operations for the US Government.

I am simply wondering if she, for whatever reason, is tasked by her employer (whomever that may be) to look out for Colleen and Emmeline or to monitor them.
If my theory is true (and there's no evidence that it is or isn't), Malena could be watching Colleen and Emmeline specifically to find Andras and his son to take them out. She doesn't have to be working with them.
 
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If my theory is true (and there's no evidence that it is or isn't), Malena could be watching Colleen and Emmeline specifically to find Andras and his son to take them out. She doesn't have to be working with them.
Any theory supported by what's in the story is valid. If I've learned one thing by the end of Epi 4, Impious Monk drops little clues/hints throughout the story leading to bigger revelations later on. It's understandably hard to find such clues ahead of time and make sense of them, but once a revelation is made, these earlier clues kinda seem blindingly obvious in hindsight :)
 

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Any theory supported by what's in the story is valid. If I've learned one thing by the end of Epi 4, Impious Monk drops little clues/hints throughout the story leading to bigger revelations later on. It's understandably hard to find such clues ahead of time and make sense of them, but once a revelation is made, these earlier clues kinda seem blindingly obvious in hindsight :)
That's the mark of great writing: The reveal seems obvious in retrospect only, and more so on future readings/viewings. Fight Club, Sixth Sense, The Usual Suspects. All of them are completely different once you already know the secret.
 

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For anyone invested in the LeavingDNA story, below I present a timeline of events up to Day 1 on 1st September 2022 (the first actual day of the AVN), based on information given within the story so far up to and including Episode 4.

Obviously, this timeline contains spoilers relating to the main crime plots of LeavingDNA, but not to any events occurring on or after Day 1. I don't recommend this timeline to anyone who has not played LeavingDNA to the end of episode 4.

The timeline is solely based on my interpretation, thus it is not official, and any errors contained therein are entirely my own.

LeavingDNA has a very complex and dense storyline, and it can be hard to contextualize events from the past that are referred to throughout the story. Thus, I hope this timeline can help others as it helped me.

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Hi Greebz. Sorry, no content spoilers other than what's in the dev notes on the OP. I only recommend the game if you're playing for story, not for any particular fetish. :)
Hello dev,
I am back after playing your masterpiece. To be honest I am just speechless and cannot say anything besides I love this game. The writing is superb! I have seldom felt such investment in a story even outside of adult game. You have a knack for this! Even outside me wanting certain content I am sure you know what is best for your story. Best of luck and I cannot await future developments and I will support you financially. Maybe consider to port your game to another, more popular and less adult engine (after finishing it) to give access to a wider audience. I full heartedly believe the story alone could get this game mainstream. Sorry for glazing everyone but those are my heartfelt feelings after I finished this game. Best of success to the dev!
 
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Just finished the update yesterday, and i found it overall good but dissapointing. The story generally moved forward with new elements of mystery and new questionning. I liked that you had to be friendly in general with everyone to open LI routes, it changes the pace from ignoring everyone for single LIs path in most games. If i understood correctly, it should have around 4 chapters left. I saw that you can lock paths with 3 girls this chapter. I tought it was pretty early, but it is what it is.

Is Emmeline really John's sister, or could the government not have stored the orc's dna correctly and messed up on purpose, or did Emmeline's dad also bang the John's crackhead mom. John seems decently older than Emmeline, so maybe it was before he married, who knows. The game had the oncest tag, so it may also be true. So, what does it means for poor Colleen? John met her like twice, and finds out she went from a sister to nothing. The senator and aide seemed to know a lot and even now, are they still screwing with John, or do they also knows his real dad and prefer the story of the dead one that having him dig in files to prove his real dad's innocence?

The dissapointing part for me was Malena. She is my main girl, but she lost a lot of respect for me this update. The gym thing was stupid and messed up. Yes, training at the same gym as your best friends rapist for who knows how long, thats messed up, and NO, "i like this gym" is not an excuse. She basically told us she prefers her gym to her best friend and thats shitty. Really shitty. She could easily have been: i found out he uses this gym, and i joined and was planning on breaking his leg to permanently end his carrer soon, or chop his dick, for example and then you convince her not to. Also, after the whole sequence is an earlier chapter about if a murderer can be rehabilited (that you must say yes to gain point with her, as she talks about herself), then she goes and loses her shit after John say he would like to meet his dad to try and see if he can be rehabilitated, but just because he put her best friends dad in jail, the same friend which she put below her gym in her priorities. I could excuse the tentacle fantasy weird sex scene, but i decided to start a new game with Jamie after that. She's not my no1 anymore. Ma told me to not stick my dick in crazy and i didnt listen, guess she was right.

So, i tried the Jamie path, and in the end, that also was a dissapointment. I tought we were getting closer and that she was getting the memo the relationship was changing after inviting her to dinner and all the extra stuff with did and shared with her that we werent previously, but then she gets that job offer, and decide to accept regardless of your points and without asking/confirming one last time their relationship status, and proceed to decline your kiss and abandon you like all the other girls John was with. And the way i read it, i think she well knew her chances were improving. And so down goes the second and only other girl i liked. I know the story is gonna be written that something will happen to reunite the slowburn, but after that move, for me it would have been over here and there with minimum future contacts. I guess ill go back to my Malena save next update and hope she redeems herself, as it probably gonna happen faster than Jamie.

Usually i would wait impatiently for the next update, and will totally play it when its released, but im not really in a hurry for the next chapter as this one left a sour note.
 
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