VN Ren'Py Leaving DNA [Ep. 4.3a] [Impious Monk]

[Canes]

For the life of me I can't see a difference between normal conversation and character thoughts. I think it's supposed to be italics, but fuck if I can tell. Why not make character thoughts a different color?

 

[whatone]

For the life of me I can't see a difference between normal conversation and character thoughts. I think it's supposed to be italics, but fuck if I can tell. Why not make character thoughts a different color?

Possibly because the background colours change, so the colour of thoughts would then also need to change so as not to blend in & become hard to discern from the background.
A simpler solution would be to just add "thoughts" next to the character's name.
e.g. Jamie's thoughts: Do I really want to take the job & leave him?
KISS principle is always the way to go.

 

[MiltonPowers]

I've read that URM can cause issues with some AVNs if you play them afterwards without it (like Being a DIK).

URM doesn't cause issues with BaDIK or any other games. People using it to change variables that will then clash, that causes issues.

 

[TsubameYui]

Just picked this one up, and wanted to point out an issue with Malena's backstory.

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[Canes]

Just picked this one up, and wanted to point out an issue with Malena's backstory.

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Someone give this man a cookie. Accurate portrayal of rules and law is imperative, especially in a porn game about law. Plus, he's clearly read his Wikipedia, so it must be true, regardless of the country of origin.

 

[JohnnyFromDeep]

Was it said before, why solomon killed jimena, its been a while since i last played it?

 

[TsubameYui]

Someone give this man a cookie. Accurate portrayal of rules and law is imperative, especially in a porn game about law. Plus, he's clearly read his Wikipedia, so it must be true, regardless of the country of origin.

In my defense, this game is hardly a "porn game". *Insert name of any show on HBO* has a higher rate of sex scenes, without being classified as porn. I'm also a veteran, and everyone who's served in the US military knows that only enlisted members get discharged. As for "country of origin", well, the game specifically takes place in the US, and references the US Army.

 

[Just Jericho]

In my defense, this game is hardly a "porn game". *Insert name of any show on HBO* has a higher rate of sex scenes, without being classified as porn.

No this is absolutely a porn game. For one thing, you’re comparing apples and oranges with the HBO comparison. They might have nudity and/or sex scenes but don’t show unsimulated sex acts in those.

Leaving DNA on the other hand contains literal closeup shots of sex organs engaging in various sex acts complete with creampies and moneyshots. Its porn media… Just porn with really good writing and interesting characters.

IMO, the fact that we can give a shit about the characters and their relationships is what makes the porn hotter. But it’s totally porn.

 

[Just Jericho]

To be fair, this does not seem as if it is produced specifically to provide sexual arousal, which pornography is.
Some scenes are (possibly, although they are much more part of the story), but the game itself is not.
The game seems produced to tell a proper story. Porn is not. Porn sometimes has some minor semblance of a story, simply as a premise to provide sexual stimulatation & arousal.

Adult game, yes.
Porn game, no.

The problem with this argument is that it's way too subjective. You're basically saying that so long as there's a story and you personally feel that story is good enough that it's "the focus of the story" then it's not porn. I strongly disagree. It's a porn scene if it shows sex organs engaging in explicit sex acts and story-driven porn is still porn at the end of the day. Otherwise that would be like saying this film wasn't porn because it's main plot was about pirates and it only had a measly 8 explicit sex scenes.




By comparison, Leaving DNA already has 9 explicit sex scenes and a solo masturbation scene and we're not even halfway through the story. It's literally already more porny than an average porn film! And every one of those scenes, like the one below, absolutely exist for the purpose of sexual entertainment. It's porn, buddy. Porn with a really good story is still porn. Leaving DNA simply happens to be one of the best porn games, IMO.

 

[moskyx]

The problem with this argument is that it's way too subjective. You're basically saying that so long as there's a story and you think that story is good enough that it's "the focus of the story" then it's not porn. I strongly disagree. Story-driven porn is still porn at the end of the day. Otherwise that would be like saying this film wasn't porn because it's main plot was about pirates and it only had a measly 8 explicit sex scenes.

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By comparison, Leaving DNA already has 9 explicit sex scenes and a solo masturbation scene and we're not even halfway through the story. It's literally already more porny than an average porn film! And every one of those scenes, like the one below, absolutely exist for the purpose of sexual entertainment. It's porn, buddy. Porn with a really good story is still porn. Leaving DNA simply happens to be one of the best porn games, IMO.

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I don't get why you are discussion semantics when the original poster just offered some valid criticism about a very specific issue that I'm sure the dev would want to portray as realistically as possible, as he's doing with the rest of the legal aspects of the plot. Disregarding a potential improvement in the story just because 'it's porn anyway' feels very out of place in this particular game's discussion.

 

[Just Jericho]

I'm not saying it, the definition of the word specifies it.
Pornographic magazines have zero plot, just explicit pictures. Pornographic films have a man turn up to fix a washing machine, then they spend 1.5 hrs fucking.
Story is not the point of porn.
Pornography's sole objective & purpose is to provide sexual arousal & excitement.
This story has considerably more purpose than that.
Ergo, it's not porn. I agree that it is explicit, but it's not porn, by literal definition.

You are ignoring the fact that the sex scenes themselves exist for the purpose of sexual entertainment. You can't tell me that the purpose of close up shots of Rockford punching the cervix of a hot co-ed and then plastering her belly isn't for sexual entertainment.

If you want to think of it as "not a porn game", that's up to you but it doesn't change the fact that there is copious porn in the VN. Ergo, "porn game" is accurate. Like I said before. A story-driven porn game is still a porn game.

I don't get why you are discussion semantics when the original poster just offered some valid criticism about a very specific issue that I'm sure the dev would want to portray as realistically as possible, as he's doing with the rest of the legal aspects of the plot. Disregarding a potential improvement in the story just because 'it's porn anyway' feels very out of place in this particular game's discussion.

That poster made two unique unrelated statements. I responded to one of them. No one is stopping you from responding to the other.

 

[Impious Monk]

Just picked this one up, and wanted to point out an issue with Malena's backstory.

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Thank you, I will look into reworking this.

 

[Kitchentable]

Maybe the one time they did met was a big swinging party with all the army daddys and their girls, maybe rockford has more than one dad

"The 1989 Denver Broncos."

 

[Ozygator]

Honestly, that's like saying Jamie and Rockford should've simply fucked their repressed desires out of each other during their first office meet early in Ch 1. But that's not how good story-telling works, and neither are your suggestions considering the AVN is only at the halfway stage. If the two were already in a relationship, then the choice would simply be does Rockford move across the country to be with Jamie? Where's the drama and tension in that? Also, Jamie's sudden decision plays directly into the story arc surrounding the MC's abandonment issues. Regarding your point 6, that's EXACTLY what Rockford did in that scene.

I hope you don't write for TV. A potential multi-season series would be concluded after the first episode.

Nothing worse than fake drama shit, when reasonable adults in the real world would find better solutions. Yeah, it's a game and has a 'story' to tell, but making shit long and drawn out, just to try to add 'drama' and 'tension' is the hallmark of POOR writing, not good writing.

 

[TsubameYui]

Thank you, I will look into reworking this.

Awesome. I did also run into another problem. Since I saw you mentioned there is no harem option, I decided to go with a solo Jamie playthrough, since she's my favorite LI. The problem is that when I got to the bar scene with the coeds, I didn't have enough total trust points to avoid the "strictly business" route. So, in trying to be monogamous with Jamie, I ended up losing her and everyone else.

I'm sure that I turned down some free trust points with the other girls, that I could have taken without opening their routes, but it felt wrong to me that I take those points if I want Rockford to be solely interested in Jamie. It's also very hard to know which trust points you can take without locking in a girl's route, or triggering a scene you don't want. It seems to me that you should be able to focus completely on a single LI, and not be kicked from their route just because you didn't try to get closer to other LIs.

Not sure if this issue only applies to Jamie's route, but maybe instead of only a total trust check at the bar scene, also checking if the player is on a monogamous route, and checking that LI's specific points might help. It just feels like I got punished for trying not to play Rockford as an asshole, or indecisive. Since the game won't have a harem option, it seems like punishing the players for picking one girl and sticking to her is a bit harsh.

 

[Chillout1984]

Awesome. I did also run into another problem. Since I saw you mentioned there is no harem option, I decided to go with a solo Jamie playthrough, since she's my favorite LI. The problem is that when I got to the bar scene with the coeds, I didn't have enough total trust points to avoid the "strictly business" route. So, in trying to be monogamous with Jamie, I ended up losing her and everyone else.

I'm sure that I turned down some free trust points with the other girls, that I could have taken without opening their routes, but it felt wrong to me that I take those points if I want Rockford to be solely interested in Jamie. It's also very hard to know which trust points you can take without locking in a girl's route, or triggering a scene you don't want. It seems to me that you should be able to focus completely on a single LI, and not be kicked from their route just because you didn't try to get closer to other LIs.

Not sure if this issue only applies to Jamie's route, but maybe instead of only a total trust check at the bar scene, also checking if the player is on a monogamous route, and checking that LI's specific points might help. It just feels like I got punished for trying not to play Rockford as an asshole, or indecisive. Since the game won't have a harem option, it seems like punishing the players for picking one girl and sticking to her is a bit harsh.

Maybe when the story is complete we're not supposed to have a happy end with Jamie at all and that's the reason why we already can't do a Jamie only route?

 

[jadepaladin]

Awesome. I did also run into another problem. Since I saw you mentioned there is no harem option, I decided to go with a solo Jamie playthrough, since she's my favorite LI. The problem is that when I got to the bar scene with the coeds, I didn't have enough total trust points to avoid the "strictly business" route. So, in trying to be monogamous with Jamie, I ended up losing her and everyone else.

I'm sure that I turned down some free trust points with the other girls, that I could have taken without opening their routes, but it felt wrong to me that I take those points if I want Rockford to be solely interested in Jamie. It's also very hard to know which trust points you can take without locking in a girl's route, or triggering a scene you don't want. It seems to me that you should be able to focus completely on a single LI, and not be kicked from their route just because you didn't try to get closer to other LIs.

Not sure if this issue only applies to Jamie's route, but maybe instead of only a total trust check at the bar scene, also checking if the player is on a monogamous route, and checking that LI's specific points might help. It just feels like I got punished for trying not to play Rockford as an asshole, or indecisive. Since the game won't have a harem option, it seems like punishing the players for picking one girl and sticking to her is a bit harsh.

I'm kind of curious of IM's take on this but my understanding was that no one girl was going to be enough, trust wise. Romantically, sure you can go for one person or not, but things like "tell her about my sister" aren't romantic and it's Rockford opening up, which is needed if any of his main LI relationships are going to work long term. It's the Aghavni problem just transferred to Jamie instead. He needs a support system with the other LIs being friends.

Of course, all of this could be a simple game mechanics failure and if so, I accept that.

Maybe when the story is complete we're not supposed to have a happy end with Jamie at all and that's the reason why we already can't do a Jamie only route?

I'd be highly surprised if one of the main LIs turned out to have a route that hits a dead end unless you've made poor choices along the way. We're at the point where all of his relationships are being tested and the only one remotely okay at the moment is Aghavni and even then she's still not 100% on board.

 

[Chillout1984]

I'm kind of curious of IM's take on this but my understanding was that no one girl was going to be enough, trust wise. Romantically, sure you can go for one person or not, but things like "tell her about my sister" aren't romantic and it's Rockford opening up, which is needed if any of his main LI relationships are going to work long term. It's the Aghavni problem just transferred to Jamie instead. He needs a support system with the other LIs being friends.

Of course, all of this could be a simple game mechanics failure and if so, I accept that.



I'd be highly surprised if one of the main LIs turned out to have a route that hits a dead end unless you've made poor choices along the way. We're at the point where all of his relationships are being tested and the only one remotely okay at the moment is Aghavni and even then she's still not 100% on board.

We never see Jamie as a main LI in Rockford's eyes until near the end of current content though.

 

[TsubameYui]

I'm kind of curious of IM's take on this but my understanding was that no one girl was going to be enough, trust wise. Romantically, sure you can go for one person or not, but things like "tell her about my sister" aren't romantic and it's Rockford opening up, which is needed if any of his main LI relationships are going to work long term. It's the Aghavni problem just transferred to Jamie instead. He needs a support system with the other LIs being friends.

Yeah, you're probably right, and I just avoided non-romantic trust points that I needed to avoid the "strictly business" route, so it's likely my fault, and not IM's. My main concern is that it's maybe a bit too much of a tightrope act trying to open up to the other LIs(earn trust), without accidentally choosing romantic choices, some of which are far less obvious than others.

 

[jadepaladin]

Yeah, you're probably right, and I just avoided non-romantic trust points that I needed to avoid the "strictly business" route, so it's likely my fault, and not IM's. My main concern is that it's maybe a bit too much of a tightrope act trying to open up to the other LIs(earn trust), without accidentally choosing romantic choices, some of which are far less obvious than others.

I agree in that it's unusual. Most of the time, if you hear solo route in a VN, you think of blowing everyone else off and just focusing on the one character. So it's understandable that here you get a different outcome. Of course, that's all if IM intended for it to be this way.