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I know a lot of players feel like the end of episode four makes LDNA "just another incest game" but I'm not aware of any other game that actively works to strip away the fetishization aspect of incest and explore the social and philosophical underpinnings of the taboo. It's because incest is so popular in this genre that makes a serious exploration of it worthwhile. I've written at length on this elsewhere so I won't repeat myself but if someone really digs into the first four episodes they'll find the theme of family is pretty well-developed, in particular an examination of the nature of the familial relationship.
I had my initial reservations about the Sister storyline due to stuff like Patreon, I presumed it would've been a trap path, then you deleted your patreon and now I'm wondering whether it was tangentially related :LOL:

I have full trust that you'll be able to treat the story with the respect and care you have with Rape/SA/Other taboo topics, so I'm still on bored
 

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being a cest enjoyer, we almost never get to read about the consequences and prejudices of the others around.
Because 99% stories are contained in a tight circle and going into the sunset.

Shame is a powerful tool in combating deviant relationships, lets see how Emmeline takes it. I guess our boy John is going to be fine as he is already battered by his abandonemnt issues.
 
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I know a lot of players feel like the end of episode four makes LDNA "just another incest game" but I'm not aware of any other game that actively works to strip away the fetishization aspect of incest and explore the social and philosophical underpinnings of the taboo. It's because incest is so popular in this genre that makes a serious exploration of it worthwhile. I've written at length on this elsewhere so I won't repeat myself but if someone really digs into the first four episodes they'll find the theme of family is pretty well-developed, in particular an examination of the nature of the familial relationship.
Yeah, is real interesting, with what you are doing and how you plan to portray it. I personally would loved for it be fetishized a bit, maybe near the end, during sexual moments or in playful manor once they accept it, but that is just my own greedy want and accept it probably won't happen. And that's fine, I'm interested to see how the relationship plays out reagardless.
 
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Dessolos

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Colleen is cute, but I'm not a complete monster. I'm gonna be a great big brother to her. Emm though. No, I'm not. She's way too cute too, but in a very different way.
I'm actually really curious where our beloved Dev is going with this.
I know a lot of players feel like the end of episode four makes LDNA "just another incest game" but I'm not aware of any other game that actively works to strip away the fetishization aspect of incest and explore the social and philosophical underpinnings of the taboo. It's because incest is so popular in this genre that makes a serious exploration of it worthwhile. I've written at length on this elsewhere so I won't repeat myself but if someone really digs into the first four episodes they'll find the theme of family is pretty well-developed, in particular an examination of the nature of the familial relationship.
Honestly to me this game is one of the best portrayals of incest. Not only is the sex scene really beautiful and one of the best romance scenes ive seen through a sex scene. At first when I heard there was incest I wasn't a fan of the idea I thought it was gonna ruin a character for me especially if it was Jamie until I played the game. But after playing it I think the incest part makes it all that much better and a beautiful romance.

Not because of the incest fetish but throughout the entire game I felt personally, the MC and Emmeline are connected to one another. Because of everything that happens in the story first saving her , then her having the only picture she has seen of his father , to being a protector of her and also both have some daddy issues. To find out they are connected to one another in a different way than they realize I feel is really beautiful and well done. Not to mention the romance is really well done and cute which would be hard to stop just because she is your sister.

I still have a few saves I need to go back and play but when I do im gonna have to watch the end of the Emmeline scenes because of how great it is especially now knowing what their true connection to one another is.

And tangentially, please let us bring Emm to visit Colleen. That is a scene I'd really love to see.
I think technically that happen already when we took Colleen for a walk and invited Emm to come.
 

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I think technically that happen already when we took Colleen for a walk and invited Emm to come.
I completely forgot about that. still not quite the same as meeting your family. I just want a sweet and tender scene, full of suppressed sexual tensions, unspoken regrets, existential angst and self-recrimination.
I'd settle for a sweet and tender scene.
 

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I know a lot of players feel like the end of episode four makes LDNA "just another incest game" but I'm not aware of any other game that actively works to strip away the fetishization aspect of incest and explore the social and philosophical underpinnings of the taboo. It's because incest is so popular in this genre that makes a serious exploration of it worthwhile. I've written at length on this elsewhere so I won't repeat myself but if someone really digs into the first four episodes they'll find the theme of family is pretty well-developed, in particular an examination of the nature of the familial relationship.
Humans all crave novelty and breaking taboos, and games provide such an outlet, allowing players to do things they would not do in reality and experience another life experience (whether real or fake).
 

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Just started playing and this render looks crazy :LOL: Jamie is wearing heels and she still looks like a midget LOL
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Well, the MC is quite tall. And if you think Jamie looks like a midget, you will get even more surprised at how another of the LIs looks compared to the MC.

After playing lots of adult visual novels where the MC is often portrayed shorter or about the same height of the female cast (even if he's supposed to be 18 years old or above), it's refreshing to see an AVN that actually portrays a tall protagonist.
 
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sasori124

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I just finished current update without knowing anything about this game. Wow. Story really hooked me. Honestly one the best I played on this site. Still processing it and looking forward to new update. I can see that dev doesnt have Patreon. Is there a way to support him? Just buying game on Steam?
 
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Elduriel

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I just finished current update without knowing anything about this game. Wow. Story really hooked me. Honestly one the best I played on this site. Still processing it and looking forward to new update. I can see that dev doesnt have Patreon. Is there a way to support him? Just buying game on Steam?


But also yes, steam is fine too
 

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Well, the MC is quite tall. And if you think Jamie looks like a midget, you will get even more surprised at how another of the LIs looks compared to the MC.

After playing lots of adult visual novels where the MC is often portrayed shorter or about the same height of the female cast (even if he's supposed to be 18 years old or above), it's refreshing to see an AVN that actually portrays a tall protagonist.
The perspective looks wrong.
 

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This Chinese patch is made by Deisp, the translation includes the original patch and KoG3 mod version patch, you can download according to your own preferences!

When switching to Chinese for the first time, there will be font loading problems, just close the game and reopen it.

If you find any problems in the game, such as missing translations, translation errors, bugs, etc., please contact me directly by leaving a message, and I will correct it in time.


Chinese translation
Updated: 2025-05-30
Modder: Deisp
Mod Version: Ep.4.3a
Game Version: Ep.4.3a
Language: chinese
 

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Hello friends.

This week I realized that I needed an additional, unplanned scene--a phone call which can be made to any of the four LI's. Scenes like this may contribute to a "short but wide" final experience for Episode Five. Although I've been focused on Emmeline's route for the last few months, for some reason I wrote and rendered Jamie's version of this scene first. I'll start Emmeline's tomorrow.

It's sort of interesting to approach a scene like this now that I've had three years to get to know each of the LI's. MC--at least when he's not on the detached path--is the MC and is going to act a certain way, and consequently the scene doesn't play out that differently no matter who the MC calls. But each of the four LI's will have a slightly different way of responding to the MC's phone call. All four women are supportive of the MC, but their unique personalities and backgrounds mean they'll express themselves differently. To sit down and write each version of the scene is an interesting exercise in comparing and contrasting.
By the way, I wonder how many people tried out each of the three options with Tanner Koch in Episode Four (don't fight, win fight, lose fight) and noticed how it changed the later conversation with Malena in her apartment. I spent way too much time tweaking the alternate versions of that scene, but I think it is interesting to see the small but meaningful differences in each one.

The images I'm sharing this week, one is a preview for Jamie's version of the scene (no post-work), and the other is an alternate version of the same render which shows the original lighting for her office which I used for the first four episodes. The difference is subtle but you can clearly see that in the new version the light focuses on Jamie a bit better. Just another example to show you how my lighting has improved over the last few years.

That's all for this week. Thank you for your support!

--Monk
 

mruggeri2

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Nice game but I got pissed that I had to redo the whole game because I got locked out of Aghavni's scenes just because I didn't choose to drive the fucking car. Seriously, what is the point of all the other choices if only that irrelevant one is the one who truly matter?
 

Dessolos

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Nice game but I got pissed that I had to redo the whole game because I got locked out of Aghavni's scenes just because I didn't choose to drive the fucking car. Seriously, what is the point of all the other choices if only that irrelevant one is the one who truly matter?
Yeah this is the one of the rare games I use a walkthrough because of certain choices seem like they might lock you out or missing a scene without it being obvious. Like the Jamie teddy bear scene you have to flirt with the Bartender to get
 

mruggeri2

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Yeah this is the one of the rare games I use a walkthrough because of certain choices seem like they might lock you out or missing a scene without it being obvious. Like the Jamie teddy bear scene you have to flirt with the Bartender to get
Do I get fucked out of Malena's path too if I act like a normal professional human being and don't want to get wasted with her the night before needing go to court?
 

Dessolos

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Do I get fucked out of Malena's path too if I act like a normal professional human being and don't want to get wasted with her the night before needing go to court?
idk look at the walkthrough it's there for a reason
 

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Do I get fucked out of Malena's path too if I act like a normal professional human being and don't want to get wasted with her the night before needing go to court?
No. It's covered in the walkthrough but the short answer is no, the lock-in for romance is later.
 
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