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WTF are you talking about? John has always been treating Jamie like a sister, she's been friendzoned even though everyone who know both of them see what's happening. And not only that, judging by "it's just a little more sharing than I'm used from you" or "not that you'd ever allow anyone to have an intimate conversation with you" that she says to John, shows us that he keeps her at a distance even though they've known each other for years and the most intimate moment they have after all this time isn't even a kiss (while meanwhile he can have sex with everyone else and here it's not even 1st base, it's 0 base - a hug). If anyone should leave the story it's John, typical boring and unrealistic hero (super fast, faster than Bolt at the 40 yard distance, his skin is knife proof, can fight 8 people at once without any training and win, is the star prosecutor, etc.).

Anyway, Jamie has always had his best interest in her heart, starting from telling him to not work so much or always giving him good advice and wasting her own time to help him do his work (you're saying something opposite, that John had supported her but we don't really see that besides him praising Jamie during their meeting at the bar). She also notices small details when it comes to him, e.g. that he moved his mom's picture or that he's been working all night or what eye color his mom had (meanwhile AFAWK John couldn't tell that something was bothering Jamie during their trip to her parents, even after she slipped up and told that she will miss west coast weather). We also know her inner thoughts and she ALWAYS made John's interest her priority even if it went against HER interest, e.g. when she convinced Luis to allow John to work on the case knowing perfectly well that it would bring him and his ex-girlfriend closer together ("I'm going to regret this but this is what he wants").

And seriously, if John can't take a hint after Jamie saying stuff like "Oh, I'd take you" and you're still calling Jamie self-entitled/horrible then I really don't know what to say. Not to mention that with her credentials and connections she could have gotten job anywhere (and much better than county prosecutor) but she chose to be close to John and he's too stupid to realise that (at least he realised that he was cockblocked by her at the bar but he still couldn't draw the right conclusion from that and explained it as her being drunk and even when Sean explained to him what was happening and how it really looked like from the side he still didn't believe).

Also, it's funny how one sided you are. John is basically a no-life, workaholic with daddy issues so WTF should Jamie abandon her dreams and career when it's John who has nothing to lose (he could be a prosecutor where she's going and his life wouldn't change much)? Although I'm pretty sure that Jamie would drop everything for him if he would tell her he loves her (and not like a sister, then again maybe like a sister if we take into account latest plot-twist). And let's not forget that Jamie explicitly said to John that she wants to be a federal judge and she literally said to him that "Getting what I want might mean leaving Santa Valeria County". She's been up-front about it this whole time.

Last but not least, she did tell him about her plans when the time was right (she didn't want to ruin their trip so she waited until they were going back) and stopped John from kissing her even though she wanted it more than anything. But she wanted to be honest with him and didn't want to hurt him in the process or use him. Her crying shows how hard this decision must have been for her. And as Trevor said - this is unrequited love, even when we're choosing dialogue options focused on Jamie we're far away from romantic love at this point. Jamie telling him about her decision will be a turning point and we as players will decide whether Jamie will stay in game as one of the LIs or not. After all you don't think that the author would focus all this time on Jamie just for her to fly away, do you? Unless we wouldn't care about her of course, then her decision will be the only course of action she should take.

What is most ironic though is that the only self-centered person here is you. Not John, not Jamie but you. You have a notion that Jamie must suck John's dick because he's the only important person here. Jamie's wants, feelings or dreams are irrelevant and any course of action where John isn't worshipped makes her disgusting. WTF man?

Seriously, how can you say that family is rotten or disgusting when they've been nothing but good to him. They've financed a nobody, they let a bum-child spend time with their children and Jamie and Trevor have supported him for years without expecting nothing from him. And now that he's an adult we're supposed to think that John is so fragile that he would be hurt if Jamie (who up to this point was no more than a friend to him) went after her dream which he knew about and which he himself said that she should do?

And sorry but Trevor does make a good point - it's 2025 and you can easily keep in touch with one another and with fast travel you could fly from west coast to east coast easily. As things stand now not much would change if Jamie wasn't there unless you're suggesting that she needs to be available 24/7, holidays included whenever John will have a fever or want to cry on Jamie's shoulder while at the same time he would treat her like a friend at best.

I want you to be honest and answer this: what conclusion would you draw if your loved one would always keep you at a distance even when you couldn't be more obvious? As Jamie said:
"I still have feelings for him, but I'm starting to think that maybe it's time for me to grow up and move on. If that's what needs to happen I'll accept it. But he'll still be an important part of my life. I'll always care about him as a friend."

But the most crucial part where we can clearly see what Jamie wants is this one:

Seo Jun: And if he comes to you tomorrow and professes his love?
Jamie: Then we will immediately engage in 72 straight hours of raucous lovemaking.

tl;dr
You're wrong on every possible level.
meanwhile, me a monogamous Malena, only player be like
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also would have been taken down anyways due to incest
We don't know that. Monk assumed it but on Patreon are a lot of games with said content. Even with rape, bestiality, drug forced, etc. Looking at you, Waifu Acadamy. Based on the story LDNA also could be count for the so called GOT rule. But it was Monk's choice and I respect that.
 

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Leaving DNA - Developer's Journal 5:31 via e-Mail Supporter Newsletter

Hey everybody.

I had another solid week, churning out about 100 new renders. Unfortunately, it took me longer than expected to finish additional branch variants so I still haven't started working on the next scene. But I have spent the last couple days doing a playthrough and working on render and dialogue adjustments where appropriate to existing material.

This week I was chatting on Discord and I promised a Malena fan that I had some great stuff planned for Malena. Another person commented that they wouldn't see the great content if they'd already gotten off her path. I wanted to take a moment to clarify something about Leaving DNA. This is something my long-time subs may recall me mentioning before.

I created Leaving DNA not as a quasi-dating sim, but as a story about ADA Rockford. In a lot of AVNs, you could remove some or even most or of the love interests from the story entirely and it wouldn't really impact the story much. I suspect a lot of developers decide they need or want another LI in their game, play around in the 3D software to come up with something they like, and then stick her into the story and make some content for her. I'm not being critical of that approach at all, but that's just not how I created my characters. I made this story focused only on the larger plot and character arc of the MC. Aghavni was a holdover from a previous version of the story where she was the main character, but otherwise each of the LI's only came into existence as the story needed a character to fill a role. I try to make it so none of their non-romantic content feels disconnected from or peripheral to the rest of the story. This is why in Leaving DNA you can reject all four of the love interests, avoid the "dark path," and still enjoy the story and still get to see each of the four women proceed on their own small character arcs, all of which bear on the larger plot and themes. And Malena, whoo boy, Malena has a big role to play in the last three episodes of the story.

I do try to make the romantic content for each woman as strong and rewarding for their fans as possible, but understand that Leaving DNA has always been focused on its story, its themes, and the character journey that the MC undergoes.

That's all for this week. Thank you for your support!

--Monk
 

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I do try to make the romantic content for each woman as strong and rewarding for their fans as possible, but understand that Leaving DNA has always been focused on its story, its themes, and the character journey that the MC undergoes.
This part feels like a lie. What reward has Jamie fans got. She was practically absent for first season, pushed to background, not given equal treatment, and no progression what so ever.

So why kind of reward or strong content have we gotten for her? NONE. To me it feels like she has been discarded and forgotten for the other three.
 

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This part feels like a lie. What reward has Jamie fans got. She was practically absent for first season, pushed to background, not given equal treatment, and no progression what so ever.

So why kind of reward or strong content have we gotten for her? NONE. To me it feels like she has been discarded and forgotten for the other three.
depends how you look at it I think. I used to be a Jamie and Emmeline fan equally before the last update. So I never felt there wasn't enough Jamie content for my liking or taste , I enjoyed what was there alot infact. Did I want more sure but it was enough to satisfy me and look forward to more. Even if nothing was all that romantic I really enjoyed their interactions they always brought a smile to face and looked forward to more of that. As I really liked the fact you can tell they were old friends and were still close based off their interactions and that to me was just as good as romance. But im also one of those people that like interactions that aren't lewd more than actual sex scenes.
 
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depends how you look at it I think. I used to be a Jamie and Emmeline fan equally before the last update. So I never felt there wasn't enough Jamie content for my liking or taste , I enjoyed what was there alot infact. Did I want more sure but it was enough to satisfy me and look forward to more. Even if nothing was all that romantic I really enjoyed their interactions they always brought a smile to face and looked forward to more of that. As I really liked the fact you can tell they were old friends and were still close based off their interactions and that to me was just as good as romance. But im also one of those people that like interactions that aren't lewd more than actual sex scenes.
that Emmie sex scene was wholesome as fuck though :love: But I expect the sibling thing will put somewhat of a damper on that whole thing sadly.
 
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depends how you look at it I think. I used to be a Jamie and Emmeline fan equally before the last update. So I never felt there wasn't enough Jamie content for my liking or taste , I enjoyed what was there alot infact. Did I want more sure but it was enough to satisfy me and look forward to more. Even if nothing was all that romantic I really enjoyed their interactions they always brought a smile to face and looked forward to more of that. As I really liked the fact you can tell they were old friends and were still close based off their interactions and that to me was just as good as romance. But im also one of those people that like interactions that aren't lewd more than actual sex scenes.
There's also literally another half of the story to go. It's like complaining about Fellowship when they hit Rivendell and the fellowship forms because you want to see more Sam/Frodo interaction.
 

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Looking what happened in the latest episode, I'm really curious what Monk has in store for us with Jamie, especially seeing how he likes to go pretty different ways with how he branches this game. It's also pretty difficult to guess how people will react (even though plot twists aren't that difficult to guess).

Will John follow Jamie after all or not? Will Jamie like her new job and stay there, or will she return? How will John deal with the Emmeline being his sister if we chose her as our LI? Will Malena's operations be an issue if we've chosen her as our LI? It probably will be, but how will John deal with them, seeing how it will probably go against his principles if he ever finds out the details. Will 1 of Malena's operations be to kill/kidnap/whatever with John and if so, how will she/they deal with it?

And these are just a couple questions that come to my mind, especially as we now know (don't know if Monk ever said it before in an update) that Malena will have a huge part in the last 3 episodes.
 

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Looking what happened in the latest episode, I'm really curious what Monk has in store for us with Jamie, especially seeing how he likes to go pretty different ways with how he branches this game. It's also pretty difficult to guess how people will react (even though plot twists aren't that difficult to guess).

Will John follow Jamie after all or not? Will Jamie like her new job and stay there, or will she return? How will John deal with the Emmeline being his sister if we chose her as our LI? Will Malena's operations be an issue if we've chosen her as our LI? It probably will be, but how will John deal with them, seeing how it will probably go against his principles if he ever finds out the details. Will 1 of Malena's operations be to kill/kidnap/whatever with John and if so, how will she/they deal with it?

And these are just a couple questions that come to my mind, especially as we now know (don't know if Monk ever said it before in an update) that Malena will have a huge part in the last 3 episodes.
I couldn't help but read your questions with that narrator voice that says "Find out next time on Leaving DNA!"

The Malena comment sounds like damage control because of how much backlash her character has right now but at the same time, it's like I said earlier, we're at the halfway point in the story. Some people are better positioned right now than others.
 

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Finally got around to this one, Clown Shoes Assassin aside It's been enjoyable. Gone through once on a Jamie route going to go through and go for a Mal route. Only thing that's kind of bugged me Is Jamie sort of being sidelined a little.
 
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Leaving DNA - Developer's Journal 5:31 via e-Mail Supporter Newsletter

Hey everybody.

I had another solid week, churning out about 100 new renders. Unfortunately, it took me longer than expected to finish additional branch variants so I still haven't started working on the next scene. But I have spent the last couple days doing a playthrough and working on render and dialogue adjustments where appropriate to existing material.

This week I was chatting on Discord and I promised a Malena fan that I had some great stuff planned for Malena. Another person commented that they wouldn't see the great content if they'd already gotten off her path. I wanted to take a moment to clarify something about Leaving DNA. This is something my long-time subs may recall me mentioning before.

I created Leaving DNA not as a quasi-dating sim, but as a story about ADA Rockford. In a lot of AVNs, you could remove some or even most or of the love interests from the story entirely and it wouldn't really impact the story much. I suspect a lot of developers decide they need or want another LI in their game, play around in the 3D software to come up with something they like, and then stick her into the story and make some content for her. I'm not being critical of that approach at all, but that's just not how I created my characters. I made this story focused only on the larger plot and character arc of the MC. Aghavni was a holdover from a previous version of the story where she was the main character, but otherwise each of the LI's only came into existence as the story needed a character to fill a role. I try to make it so none of their non-romantic content feels disconnected from or peripheral to the rest of the story. This is why in Leaving DNA you can reject all four of the love interests, avoid the "dark path," and still enjoy the story and still get to see each of the four women proceed on their own small character arcs, all of which bear on the larger plot and themes. And Malena, whoo boy, Malena has a big role to play in the last three episodes of the story.

I do try to make the romantic content for each woman as strong and rewarding for their fans as possible, but understand that Leaving DNA has always been focused on its story, its themes, and the character journey that the MC undergoes.

That's all for this week. Thank you for your support!

--Monk
depends how you look at it I think. I used to be a Jamie and Emmeline fan equally before the last update. So I never felt there wasn't enough Jamie content for my liking or taste , I enjoyed what was there alot infact. Did I want more sure but it was enough to satisfy me and look forward to more. Even if nothing was all that romantic I really enjoyed their interactions they always brought a smile to face and looked forward to more of that. As I really liked the fact you can tell they were old friends and were still close based off their interactions and that to me was just as good as romance. But im also one of those people that like interactions that aren't lewd more than actual sex scenes.
Looking what happened in the latest episode, I'm really curious what Monk has in store for us with Jamie, especially seeing how he likes to go pretty different ways with how he branches this game. It's also pretty difficult to guess how people will react (even though plot twists aren't that difficult to guess).

Will John follow Jamie after all or not? Will Jamie like her new job and stay there, or will she return? How will John deal with the Emmeline being his sister if we chose her as our LI? Will Malena's operations be an issue if we've chosen her as our LI? It probably will be, but how will John deal with them, seeing how it will probably go against his principles if he ever finds out the details. Will 1 of Malena's operations be to kill/kidnap/whatever with John and if so, how will she/they deal with it?

And these are just a couple questions that come to my mind, especially as we now know (don't know if Monk ever said it before in an update) that Malena will have a huge part in the last 3 episodes.
I'll wait for Jamie for as long as needed, provided she doesn't ntr us with someone while in Harvard. In any case, I'm not dropping LDNA, as it's tied with Hillside for my favourite story across the 116 AVNs I've tried. I am disappointed in Malena, but even on her best day, she was only my second favourite LI, so not a critical loss.
Worst case scenario, I can always come back to the Detachment path (my natural first run btw), which I actually don't hate at all, and become a ruthless politician, banging Cassie while I'm at it.
 
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