Unity Abandoned Legend of Krystal: Rebirth [v0.8] [LOK Team]

[Parthornax]

The ironic thing is that Krystal games have historically been doomed to fail, they're all cursed.
This one's lasting this long only because they're not working on it. xD

Cursed? probably... even the real original game for the gamecube flopped and was poorly received.
a shame because krystal got me into this furry business in the first place.

 

[Detective Cancer]

Cursed? probably... even the real original game for the gamecube flopped and was poorly received.
a shame because krystal got me into this furry business in the first place.

YEAH! She was my first furry crush actually, and among my first few idolised cool female heroines at the time.
The triforce of sexy game bishes for me was Samus, Krystal and Zelda.
Sadly Other M killed Samus for me, Zelda has never had a personality and Krystal just hasn't been around.
(Midna came along far later but she's one of my main waifus now fo' sho' ;o)
I really want this game to succeed because the foundation that it has is solid, but every update and every delay is a mess and now it's starting from scratch.
Of course, I should qualify my snark and sass with that I'd really like to be wrong and start giving it money again, I've supported so many Patreon games that just turned into excuse showers and delays that I'm jaded as fuck about the whole thing though.

 

[Jinsoyun]

What are their patreon supporters here for?

They are here to see krystal get fucking fucked in a 1,000 different ways. Thats what was originally advertised. That's what was originally in the demo. That was the original plan. That is what people paid for.

People did not pay them to make some furry, KOTAR, platformer....thing.

theres a word for when people sell a product and deliver something completely different...scam...

Its disingenuous. Imagine paying money on patreon because you were advertised a harem game and then they change it into a guro sex slave simulator. I would want my money back. I think patreon should implement rules against.

Not only that but judging by how infrequent the updates were with making a smaller game... what makes them think that they can make a bigger game?

I see an "Abandoned" tag looming over the horizon.

Imagine this scenario: A couple of my friends and i decide to build a house. We have never done anything like this before, but we know that we have to dig a hole first for the foundation, so we decide to start doing that while we figure out the rest. People who see us work compliment us on how well the hole turned out to be and how much they liked it. "That's great" we reply, "but we kind of wanted a house here". After a while we just admit that we can't get a house like this and hire some professionals who have worked in the construction business for years.
Now some people say that they miss the old hole and some ask why we think that anything would be different now that we hired people who know how to build in the first place?

That's basically the development story of this game in short. As far as promises go, a side-scroller rpg with lots of sex was the promise all along, but what we got so far is basically the gallery section of a real RPG. And all of us here liked it. Those who didn't probably left long ago anyway.
But as i understand, the team basically had an artist, an animator and a writer. And if you notice that they have no programmer even tho they are trying to make a program, then you are right. They now hope to be able to make a bigger game, because now they have someone on the team who can actually make a game.

 

[Detective Cancer]

Imagine this scenario: A couple of my friends and i decide to build a house. We have never done anything like this before, but we know that we have to dig a hole first for the foundation, so we decide to start doing that while we figure out the rest. People who see us work compliment us on how well the hole turned out to be and how much they liked it. "That's great" we reply, "but we kind of wanted a house here". After a while we just admit that we can't get a house like this and hire some professionals who have worked in the construction business for years.
Now some people say that they miss the old hole and some ask why we think that anything would be different now that we hired people who know how to build in the first place?

That's basically the development story of this game in short. As far as promises go, a side-scroller rpg with lots of sex was the promise all along, but what we got so far is basically the gallery section of a real RPG. And all of us here liked it. Those who didn't probably left long ago anyway.
But as i understand, the team basically had an artist, an animator and a writer. And if you notice that they have no programmer even tho they are trying to make a program, then you are right. They now hope to be able to make a bigger game, because now they have someone on the team who can actually make a game.

Except a reasonable group of people would have a roadmap with real planning and landmarks, house blueprints or a semblance of them, and not go on a trip to the Philippines using money graciously donated by the strangers who were really hoping to get at least the foundation for the house finished within 2 years.
They would definitely not expect to not get criticism after having just a hole to show for all that was donated. Your analogy of a hole is really fitting and really sad because it really is just a hole, and now they're digging a second one that nobody asked for beside it.

 

[Jinsoyun]

Except a reasonable group of people would have a roadmap with real planning and landmarks, house blueprints or a semblance of them, and not go on a trip to the Philippines using money graciously donated by the strangers who were really hoping to get at least the foundation for the house finished within 2 years.
They would definitely not expect to not get criticism after having just a hole to show for all that was donated. Your analogy of a hole is really fitting and really sad because it really is just a hole, and now they're digging a second one that nobody asked for beside it.

I agree with the first half completely. They made a big mistake and the criticism is justified.
But maybe i missed something, after all i just occasionally read things here, but i don't remember any indication that they didn't expect or accept criticism. And nobody asked for the second one? Apparently at least 1850 patrons did.
In the end, there are only 2 options now, because the current version is a dead end: either they start over or they close shop. So if you don't want them to start over, would you prefer if they just dropped the whole thing and left now?

 

[Detective Cancer]

I agree with the first half completely. They made a big mistake and the criticism is justified.
But maybe i missed something, after all i just occasionally read things here, but i don't remember any indication that they didn't expect or accept criticism. And nobody asked for the second one? Apparently at least 1850 patrons did.
In the end, there are only 2 options now, because the current version is a dead end: either they start over or they close shop. So if you don't want them to start over, would you prefer if they just dropped the whole thing and left now?

They complained that people were being harsh in the past when faced with scrutiny, namely with 0.8 which was meant to be a rather large release but contained a single scene, and an ugly CG one at that.
Only a really immature person deals in absolutes like those but I'll humour it. Continue working with a system they've already built that is fairly interesting and stable or truck along with something they have absolutely nothing for yet and will likely take another 3 years to get anything, let alone something conclusive, out of?
Well, they've made their choice. I personally am looking forward to the end of November.

 

[Gesellschaft]

Dev was getting closer to finishing it which means his patreon bux would dry up, it makes sense he would scrap it and start over lol.

 

[Detective Cancer]

Dev was getting closer to finishing it which means his patreon bux would dry up, it makes sense he would scrap it and start over lol.

Oof, that's a hot take.
I can't disagree entirely sadly because that's Patreon in a nutshell but part of me is hoping for genuine incompetence as opposed to active dishonesty.

 

[Jinsoyun]

They complained that people were being harsh in the past when faced with scrutiny, namely with 0.8 which was meant to be a rather large release but contained a single scene, and an ugly CG one at that.

I'll read back on that later when i have some time. 0.8 was quite a letdown with it's lack of content, but wasn't that also the time where they warned patrons to pull out their donations for a while, or was that some other time?

Only a really immature person deals in absolutes like those but I'll humour it.

Feel free to hold that opinion, just don't forget that you are the one who brought up the absolutes. I asked you about it because your stance didn't leave much room for grey areas.

Continue working with a system they've already built that is fairly interesting and stable or truck along with something they have absolutely nothing for yet and will likely take another 3 years to get anything, let alone something conclusive, out of?
Well, they've made their choice. I personally am looking forward to the end of November.

This is the part you seem to have gotten wrong. The current "system" isn't even a system and it isn't stable at all. Based on every single post they have made, without a restart new patches would keep on becoming slower and smaller until they just stopped. So even if they went beck to this scene selection gallery style, they would have to start again from scratch. That's why i wondered if you were against any form of restart and just wanted this project to end or you had something else in mind.

 

[Detective Cancer]

I'll read back on that later when i have some time. 0.8 was quite a letdown with it's lack of content, but wasn't that also the time where they warned patrons to pull out their donations for a while, or was that some other time?

I don't recall now, it's been a while, but that doesn't change much does it?
It was also around the time Kuja admitted he was MGTOW because he either got dumped or cucked after/during the trip

Feel free to hold that opinion, just don't forget that you are the one who brought up the absolutes. I asked you about it because your stance didn't leave much room for grey areas.

Where did I deal in absolutes?

This is the part you seem to have gotten wrong. The current "system" isn't even a system and it isn't stable at all. Based on every single post they have made, without a restart new patches would keep on becoming slower and smaller until they just stopped. So even if they went beck to this scene selection gallery style, they would have to start again from scratch. That's why i wondered if you were against any form of restart and just wanted this project to end or you had something else in mind.

But it's something they can improve, as opposed to restarting to end up in the same spot with different assets and even more delays. Like I said, eagerly waiting on the end of November.

 

[Jinsoyun]

But it's something they can improve, as opposed to restarting to end up in the same spot with different assets and even more delays. Like I said, eagerly waiting on the end of November.

Ask anyone who has experience in picking up a code after someone else. Always a headache, and if the other guy didn't know what he was doing, then it's better and faster to just start from scratch.

 

[Detective Cancer]

Ask anyone who has experience in picking up a code after someone else. Always a headache, and if the other guy didn't know what he was doing, then it's better and faster to just start from scratch.

That's a fair point, no argument there. We'll just have to see where this goes.
I'm not dropping this though where did I deal in absolutes?

 

[MightyAltroll]

What are their patreon supporters here for?

They are here to see krystal get fucking fucked in a 1,000 different ways. Thats what was originally advertised. That's what was originally in the demo. That was the original plan. That is what people paid for.

People did not pay them to make some furry, KOTAR, platformer....thing.

theres a word for when people sell a product and deliver something completely different...scam...

Its disingenuous. Imagine paying money on patreon because you were advertised a harem game and then they change it into a guro sex slave simulator. I would want my money back. I think patreon should implement rules against.

Not only that but judging by how infrequent the updates were with making a smaller game... what makes them think that they can make a bigger game?

I see an "Abandoned" tag looming over the horizon.

From the very beginning it was promised to be an RPG, with exploration, and with combat. I have no idea what you're on about.

YEAH! She was my first furry crush actually, and among my first few idolised cool female heroines at the time.
The triforce of sexy game bishes for me was Samus, Krystal and Zelda.
Sadly Other M killed Samus for me, Zelda has never had a personality and Krystal just hasn't been around.
(Midna came along far later but she's one of my main waifus now fo' sho' ;o)
I really want this game to succeed because the foundation that it has is solid, but every update and every delay is a mess and now it's starting from scratch.
Of course, I should qualify my snark and sass with that I'd really like to be wrong and start giving it money again, I've supported so many Patreon games that just turned into excuse showers and delays that I'm jaded as fuck about the whole thing though.

She was also my first, and only, furry crush.

Game development is a complicated matter, and we're creating a game with an enormous amount of detail. It takes Kuja a very long time to draw 8 angles, but these 8 angles will be useful in everything from sex scenes to mechanics. It then takes a long time for Archie to rig them. So it is going to take a long time, because there is so very much to do, and you will be rewarded for having patience.

Imagine this scenario: A couple of my friends and i decide to build a house. We have never done anything like this before, but we know that we have to dig a hole first for the foundation, so we decide to start doing that while we figure out the rest. People who see us work compliment us on how well the hole turned out to be and how much they liked it. "That's great" we reply, "but we kind of wanted a house here". After a while we just admit that we can't get a house like this and hire some professionals who have worked in the construction business for years.
Now some people say that they miss the old hole and some ask why we think that anything would be different now that we hired people who know how to build in the first place?

That's basically the development story of this game in short. As far as promises go, a side-scroller rpg with lots of sex was the promise all along, but what we got so far is basically the gallery section of a real RPG. And all of us here liked it. Those who didn't probably left long ago anyway.
But as i understand, the team basically had an artist, an animator and a writer. And if you notice that they have no programmer even tho they are trying to make a program, then you are right. They now hope to be able to make a bigger game, because now they have someone on the team who can actually make a game.

This is the most accurate descriptor of our situation I have seen.

Except a reasonable group of people would have a roadmap with real planning and landmarks, house blueprints or a semblance of them, and not go on a trip to the Philippines using money graciously donated by the strangers who were really hoping to get at least the foundation for the house finished within 2 years.
They would definitely not expect to not get criticism after having just a hole to show for all that was donated. Your analogy of a hole is really fitting and really sad because it really is just a hole, and now they're digging a second one that nobody asked for beside it.

We would like to finish the tech demo first before we start showing a roadmap, but the game is intended to progress every similarly to the old one. However we want to put an emphasis on finishing areas first. So the ship will be faaaar more detailed at the beginning of the game and include more exploration. But if we don't have UIs, or have proper mechanics tested, what do you expect of us yet? The game needs to be made, and it appears as though you're angry that we can't just give you a finished game yet. Foundations must be layed, then we can give you all the roadmaps you want.

They complained that people were being harsh in the past when faced with scrutiny, namely with 0.8 which was meant to be a rather large release but contained a single scene, and an ugly CG one at that.
Only a really immature person deals in absolutes like those but I'll humour it. Continue working with a system they've already built that is fairly interesting and stable or truck along with something they have absolutely nothing for yet and will likely take another 3 years to get anything, let alone something conclusive, out of?
Well, they've made their choice. I personally am looking forward to the end of November.

I believe that 0.8 deserves the scrutiny, it was a team of 2 people at the time and they were getting severely swamped. The system of 0.8 was not stable, if you think it was then you're simply uninformed. It wasn't coded properly, and was going to slow down into a stand still. That is the entire reason for the restart. If you want the old 'stable interesting' build then you just want a few more scenes with lizards and then the project dies from the inability to pump out new content, and countless bugs.

Dev was getting closer to finishing it which means his patreon bux would dry up, it makes sense he would scrap it and start over lol.

You think the first game was close to finishing? You're naive and uninformed. I'm the project manager now, and I'm not the same dude who worked on 0.8. I'm the writer, who saw the project dying.





I don't really come on here much, because it's a place of uninformed and annoying negativity from people who don't even support us. It's quite difficult for me to make the effort to read this nonsense. Know that I want to make a good game, money is a means to an end for me. I took inspiration from KOTOR, because it was my favorite RPG of all time, and I think the combat will do well in this game. I learned from games that I have played in the past, and those that people have recommended to me.

This game was never intended to be a sex gallery, or a dating simulator. If you want that, then there are plenty of other games for you to enjoy, or you can go to rule34.paheal and blow your load on whatever still images you want. However this game is meant to be a porn **GAME**. That means gamePLAY. Something that you can PLAY. Which means challenges. Which means interesting mechanics. Not dull slideshows.

When the game is completed, in its entirety, you will be able to play the game, win the game, and get full access to all of the sexual content in the gallery. If you do not even have the ability to do that, then this isn't the game for you. I grow increasingly tired of the misinformation this website spreads for absolutely no reason other than to get off on negativity. If you want a Krystal porn game like this to succeed, then support us, if you don't, then I have no idea why you're complaining.

Now if anyone wishes to give constructive criticism, or even just talk to me personally, you may find me in the discord.

 

[Detective Cancer]

-snip-

I'm not angry the game's not done, that I haven't been given a finished product. In fact I'm not angry at all, I used to support Kuja, I've been jaded and disappointed at all the excuses he kept making without ever meeting a single promise and instead going on trips with the money just to come back and complain. So you can take your haughty assumptions and shove them right back where they came from because you're clearly not speaking with your mouth. I don't expect miracles, I expect transparency and consistency.
Maybe you'll give the team proper direction and I'll support the Patreon again, that's left to be decided in November and beyond that, but don't come here throwing a blanket over people understandably upset calling them ignorant and assuming none of us here supported Kuja. I hope at the very least you know how to version your game properly, glad to know it was just incompetence naming the last one 0.8 instead of false advertising to make it seem like it was almost complete.

 

[Parthornax]

-Lots of text-

If it was intended to be that way from the start then why did they have to rebuild the game?
If it was intended to be this way from the start, we would not be having this conversation in the first place.

Also genuinely asking...would it not have been smarter to leave the bigger version of the game as a squeal and just finish this one first?
idk it just seems you would have avoided all this heartache. Not only that but it would have been something really nice to have an actual comepleted game under your belt. A completed game is a lot of street cred in the smut business...

 

[Parthornax]

YEAH! She was my first furry crush actually, and among my first few idolised cool female heroines at the time.
The triforce of sexy game bishes for me was Samus, Krystal and Zelda.
Sadly Other M killed Samus for me, Zelda has never had a personality and Krystal just hasn't been around.
(Midna came along far later but she's one of my main waifus now fo' sho' ;o)
I really want this game to succeed because the foundation that it has is solid, but every update and every delay is a mess and now it's starting from scratch.
Of course, I should qualify my snark and sass with that I'd really like to be wrong and start giving it money again, I've supported so many Patreon games that just turned into excuse showers and delays that I'm jaded as fuck about the whole thing though.

MINE TOO!! with some help from lola bunny from space jam but krystal was the one that definitely made a furry out of me!
I only recently got deep into the meat of nintendo games before i never got the chance. I've become quite the fan of pokemon and fire emblem! MIDNA! Adult midna especially she looks like something people would worship 1,000 years ago! Its so hot!

other M is like Legend of krystal rebirth

People basically wanted something like metroid prime so the smartest solution is to turn the protagonist into a cry baby.
People wanted a furry porn game so the smartest solution is to turn it to a platformer/RPG.

I know exact what you mean! nobody criticizes games because they hate them and want them to fail. We criticize them because shady shit is going on! I mean they are clearly struggling to make the "walking simulator version" WHAT THE FUCK MAKES THEM THINK THEY CAN PULL OFF A PLATFORMER RPG VERSION!?!?!?

I dont want it to fail either. Im hoping that they will just complete the version they already have and leave the bigger more complex version as a sequel.

You probably already know this but have you ever tried "Legend of krystal vG"? Its like this rebirth but completed and it knew EXACTLY what it wanted to be unlike rebirth.

 

[Detective Cancer]

If it was intended to be that way from the start then why did they have to rebuild the game?
If it was intended to be this way from the start, we would not be having this conversation in the first place.

Also... would it not have been smarter to leave the bigger version of the game as a squeal and just finish this one first?
idk it just seems you would have avoided all this heartache. Not only that but it would have been something really nice to have an actual comepleted game under your belt. A completed game is a lot of street cred in the smut business...

Well as much as I wanna give 'em shit what he's saying is that he wasn't around when it began.
He's new to the team and he'll be giving them proper direction now.

MINE TOO!! with some help from lola bunny from space jam but krystal was the one that definitely made a furry out of me!
I only recently got deep into the meat of nintendo games before i never got the chance. I've become quite the fan of pokemon and fire emblem! MIDNA! Adult midna especially she looks like something people would worship 1,000 years ago! Its so hot!

other M is like Legend of krystal rebirth

People basically wanted something like metroid prime so the smartest solution is to turn the protagonist into a cry baby.
People wanted a furry porn game so the smartest solution is to turn it to a platformer/RPG.

I know exact what you mean! nobody criticizes games because they hate them and want them to fail. We criticize them because shady shit is going on! I mean they are clearly struggling to make the "walking simulator version" WHAT THE FUCK MAKES THEM THINK THEY CAN PULL OFF A PLATFORMER RPG VERSION!?!?!?

I dont want it to fail either. Im hoping that they will just complete the version they already have and leave the bigger more complex version as a sequel.

You probably already know this but have you ever tried "Legend of krystal vG"? Its like this rebirth but completed and it knew EXACTLY what it wanted to be unlike rebirth.

Other M was a Sakamoto-directed mistake that could've been a really fun spin-off action title.
His cinematic vision got in the way of it, and the most ironic thing is that TeamNinja did Samus more justice than he did.
Oh well, here's hoping for MP4 to be okay, Retro knows what they're doing.

Was vG finished or abandoned?
Last I heard of it back in 2016 it was just another one felled by the curse.
I'll have to Google around.

 

[Parthornax]

Well as much as I wanna give 'em shit what he's saying is that he wasn't around when it began.
He's new to the team and he'll be giving them proper direction now.
Other M was a Sakamoto-directed mistake that could've been a really fun spin-off action title.
His cinematic vision got in the way of it, and the most ironic thing is that TeamNinja did Samus more justice than he did.
Oh well, here's hoping for MP4 to be okay, Retro knows what they're doing.

Was vG finished or abandoned?
Last I heard of it back in 2016 it was just another one felled by the curse.
I'll have to Google around.

Not giving him shit! Honest! Its just that hes trying to tell me that this is all part of the plan when they are literally scrapping the project to try again.

vG Has endings...even if i found them lack luster. they are just a sprite with 3 lines of text. idk i always considered it completed.

I thought MP4 was canceled! lets hope they dont screw the pooch on this on.

 

[Detective Cancer]

Not giving him shit! Honest! Its just that hes trying to tell me that this is all part of the plan when they are literally scrapping the project to try again.

vG Has endings...even if i found them lack luster. they are just a sprite with 3 lines of text. idk i always considered it completed.

I thought MP4 was canceled! lets hope they dont screw the pooch on this on.

Well when I say giving him shit I mean criticisms but yeah.
At this point there's not a lot that can be said or done but to wait for November and see what they come out with.

I see, I'll give it a try then. Should be easy to find.

Prime 4 isn't cancelled it's just delayed, which isn't good news but it's not the worst news.

 

[Sharun]

I don't really come on here much, because it's a place of uninformed and annoying negativity from people who don't even support us. It's quite difficult for me to make the effort to read this nonsense. Know that I want to make a good game, money is a means to an end for me. I took inspiration from KOTOR, because it was my favorite RPG of all time, and I think the combat will do well in this game. I learned from games that I have played in the past, and those that people have recommended to me.

This game was never intended to be a sex gallery, or a dating simulator. If you want that, then there are plenty of other games for you to enjoy, or you can go to rule34.paheal and blow your load on whatever still images you want. However this game is meant to be a porn **GAME**. That means gamePLAY. Something that you can PLAY. Which means challenges. Which means interesting mechanics. Not dull slideshows.

When the game is completed, in its entirety, you will be able to play the game, win the game, and get full access to all of the sexual content in the gallery. If you do not even have the ability to do that, then this isn't the game for you. I grow increasingly tired of the misinformation this website spreads for absolutely no reason other than to get off on negativity. If you want a Krystal porn game like this to succeed, then support us, if you don't, then I have no idea why you're complaining.

Now if anyone wishes to give constructive criticism, or even just talk to me personally, you may find me in the discord.

I normally only leech on here but this got my attention since it seems to be from the developer (Vlad maybe) so i want to take this oppurtunity, since this is a longer post than on most of the Patreon site.
But first I supported the project from the beginning with 10, last half year 20 buck donations. So there are (ex)supporters here, and its SAD that i get longer statements here than on partreon. As stated multiple times you should inform people there, cause thats where they pay you, not on discord or any streams. Often enough said, and not one bit taken to your heart, even with a planned restart.
As for you are sick of complaining, i was sick of unbelievable excuses why things couldnt be done, allways delayed and mostly never met any expectations. I even showed sympathie and tried to reason with other supporters who where really not happy. And after 0.8, which was a freaking downer for the wait, and the following announcement of the revamp, i quit supporting. Why did i quit? Because nobody ever asked on Patreon about that, and there was never any suggestion that might would happen.

I try to get this point very clear without swearing (which is hard), but any shit you take at the moment is well deserved for multiple reasons. Just adding new members and saying "all will be better now" doesnt work, when BP had more help to handle the oil spill the ocean was still wasted. Also, if you fuck things up like EA and handle your supporters like idiots, that can backlash on to you. You can be a good developer like Bioware, but when you join EA you have to handle their reputation (and since you are a fan of KOTOR, which is fantastic, you should get that reference really well) And lastly, until you can show something i wouldnt make so much fuss about whatever, its like a little dog barking loud.

Still, i would gladly see a reason to support you guys again just for the sake of a good Krystal game, even after stomping my expectations to the ground lately. If you want to check for my statements my name on patreon is Indiana Keks.

If someone uses their discord, feel free to post this on to it. I thought of posting this on patreon, but i dont want to be seen as someone who tries do decrease their revenue they get out from it, and i hate discord so i dont use it ^^
And at last, i am truly sorry for you naitive or better speaking/writing English people, i tried hard, really