Unity Abandoned Legend of Krystal: Rebirth [v0.8] [LOK Team]

[Sharun]

"Because nobody ever asked on Patreon about that, and there was never any suggestion that might would happen."

We had to do it extremely suddenly to avoid damage to the project. The restart was necessary to continue the survival of the project, that is all you need to know, the rest is internal drama and I have no desire to throw anyone under the bus professionally. I can assure you that no one in this project is an idiot that just decided one day "Hey, let's restart the project. Everyone would be fine with that, right?" We didn't do it for a fashion statement.

"As for you are sick of complaining, i was sick of unbelievable excuses why things couldnt be done, allways delayed and mostly never met any expectations."

Have you ever developed a game? You'll find it is a complicated process. The original project manager had been going through a lot of personal trouble at the time and the game was suffering as a result. That time is now over.

"I try to get this point very clear without swearing (which is hard), but any shit you take at the moment is well deserved for multiple reasons."

You have every right to be mad at the restart, we anticipated people would be angry. But do you know what is better than some people being angry? The entire project being abandoned and more people being angry. We made a decision to keep it alive, incessant complaining about this decision annoys me because of the alternative.

"Also, if you fuck things up like EA and handle your supporters like idiots, that can backlash on to you."

Do not insult us by comparing us to EA.

"And lastly, until you can show something i wouldnt make so much fuss about whatever, its like a little dog barking loud."

I don't quite understand this, are you comparing me to a small dog because I am bothered by uninformed people spreading false information and negativity? If so, then I am afraid I am a sentient human being with feelings, emotions, and my own free thought, not an 'EA' representative as you so compared me to.


"Still, i would gladly see a reason to support you guys again just for the sake of a good Krystal game, even after stomping my expectations to the ground lately. If you want to check for my statements my name on patreon is Indiana Keks."

Then I recommend awaiting patiently for our tech demo, so you can determine whether we are worthy of your support.



In regards to information:

We cannot say much on Patreon due to their rules. I have explained this numerous times, over, and over, and over. If you want the most information, you can speak to us on discord. I try to respond to people on the patreon when I can, but it will never be as complete as what you can get from the discord.

We have made an effort to reach out to people and inform what we're doing with posts every week or so from our developers, but people seemingly ignore what we have said there. I even have to repeat myself numerous times on the patreon (and in the discord) in this regard.

If you do not get enough information from what we state on the patreon, do not join the streams, and refuse to join us on the discord to get the most information, then I don't know what else to tell you. I'm sorry if you feel jaded by the project, but there's nothing I can do about that. At this point you are actively avoiding the places where we have explicitly stated you can get the most information.

First off, thanks for the answer, i really appreciate it that you took your time to answer/give feedback.
I never developed a game, i am a precision optician, which i believe let me do things you cant and the other way around, thats why i supported you since i believe that its better when i do stuff myself except the things i cant do. Feel free if you need to know anything about industrial optics, im happy to help (and condolate that you need to know this stupid shit)
Also i would like to make clear that i didnt say you are EA or BP, they just helped as reference. Well the EA thing was meant to be mean honestly, seeing that it worked gives me some pleasure and also makes me feel myself with shame, they are a form of the devil.

I will especially ask for your forgiveness for the comparison of the little dog. This is something, when said to me, i lost all abilities to talk reasonable in the past, because its like you said, a diminishing of a human being, and i am sincerly sorry for that. Even if its just the Internet and a special site, some things shouldnt be said. So again, im sorry.

To the information part:
I reached to that conclusion many times when i had little discussions in the comments or read them. And i clearly see your dilemma with patreon, i was an active supporter when they changed politics. But besides me, who has a personal issue with discord (and you are correct, thats not per se your dilemma) Other people have the same view (of to less information on patreon) and have different reasons not to go through there like time etc. But since you can have paywalls for news, i fail to see why there is no option for explicit content infos. And another big thing, but thats something i only heard, if you have votes on discord and not patreon, its somehow hurtful. If that happened i would like to suggest to inform about the vote at least on patreon. If that was a false rumor, i beg you pardon in advance, thats why anybody who reads this should treat this statement not as a fact

To end it on a hopefully good note:
Im really looking forward for the demo and first updates, because i hope to see a good, complete LoK title sometimes (out of fairness, i liked vG very much and credit it as a really nice Flash game)

 

[MightyAltroll]

First off, thanks for the answer, i really appreciate it that you took your time to answer/give feedback.
I never developed a game, i am a precision optician, which i believe let me do things you cant and the other way around, thats why i supported you since i believe that its better when i do stuff myself except the things i cant do. Feel free if you need to know anything about industrial optics, im happy to help (and condolate that you need to know this stupid shit)
Also i would like to make clear that i didnt say you are EA or BP, they just helped as reference. Well the EA thing was meant to be mean honestly, seeing that it worked gives me some pleasure and also makes me feel myself with shame, they are a form of the devil.

I will especially ask for your forgiveness for the comparison of the little dog. This is something, when said to me, i lost all abilities to talk reasonable in the past, because its like you said, a diminishing of a human being, and i am sincerly sorry for that. Even if its just the Internet and a special site, some things shouldnt be said. So again, im sorry.

To the information part:
I reached to that conclusion many times when i had little discussions in the comments or read them. And i clearly see your dilemma with patreon, i was an active supporter when they changed politics. But besides me, who has a personal issue with discord (and you are correct, thats not per se your dilemma) Other people have the same view (of to less information on patreon) and have different reasons not to go through there like time etc. But since you can have paywalls for news, i fail to see why there is no option for explicit content infos. And another big thing, but thats something i only heard, if you have votes on discord and not patreon, its somehow hurtful. If that happened i would like to suggest to inform about the vote at least on patreon. If that was a false rumor, i beg you pardon in advance, thats why anybody who reads this should treat this statement not as a fact

To end it on a hopefully good note:
Im really looking forward for the demo and first updates, because i hope to see a good, complete LoK title sometimes (out of fairness, i liked vG very much and credit it as a really nice Flash game)

I accept your apologies, and I am glad to have earned them.

In regards to patreon, I am sorry that I cannot inform everyone on the patreon as reliably or as detailed as I would like, but it is a sad reality.

In terms of votes, these are mostly 'spur of the moment' things, and they don't often affect much. The foot thing was honestly just a mistake. I've learned democracy is a shit show when it comes to the furry community as a result, and you would not believe how many issues I've encountered from people's own personal desires for the game. I try to remain unbiased in my development of the game, but I think it is important that we have a unified vision for it.

In the future, should we deem it necessary to have a vote, I'll make certain that our patreon webpage is included in it, so long as it isn't breaking some rule.

Cheers, - Vlad

 

[Gesellschaft]

You think the first game was close to finishing? You're naive and uninformed. I'm the project manager now, and I'm not the same dude who worked on 0.8. I'm the writer, who saw the project dying.

I don't really come on here much, because it's a place of uninformed and annoying negativity from people who don't even support us. It's quite difficult for me to make the effort to read this nonsense. Know that I want to make a good game, money is a means to an end for me. I took inspiration from KOTOR, because it was my favorite RPG of all time, and I think the combat will do well in this game. I learned from games that I have played in the past, and those that people have recommended to me.

Maybe some people are hesitant to support you financially because Patreon is historically a terrible platform that encourages lazy and sloppy game development behaviors such as feature creep and sloth. Look at how many projects on F95 alone are abandoned.

So take that initial reservation, then combine that with the fact that despite being almost labeled 1.0 (but supposedly nowhere close to completion), with a game in development for longer than two years to get the minimal amount of content we have, then are you honestly surprised when people don't want to contribute to its continued development financially?

I planned from day 1 paying for the game when it was released and I'm sure plenty of people that "don't support you" now will do the same. I still plan on doing so with your new proposed rework, but until you establish some credibility that this time will be different and it will be completed then I'll keep assuming the most statistically likely scenario of this being the next stage of a never ever project.

 

[MightyAltroll]

Maybe some people are hesitant to support you financially because Patreon is historically a terrible platform that encourages lazy and sloppy game development behaviors such as feature creep and sloth. Look at how many projects on F95 alone are abandoned.

So take that initial reservation, then combine that with the fact that despite being almost labeled 1.0 (but supposedly nowhere close to completion), with a game in development for longer than two years to get the minimal amount of content we have, then are you honestly surprised when people don't want to contribute to its continued development financially?

I planned from day 1 paying for the game when it was released and I'm sure plenty of people that "don't support you" now will do the same. I still plan on doing so with your new proposed rework, but until you establish some credibility that this time will be different and it will be completed then I'll keep assuming the most statistically likely scenario of this being the next stage of a never ever project.

People have a right to not trust us, that's fine. If you read my posts, you'll find that I'm annoyed by misinformation and negativity resulting from such false notions.

Also, we're not selling the game. It'll be free when released, so I'm not sure what you mean by paying for it when it is released. We're not really looking for payment as much as we're looking for people to fund our continued development.

 

[nicokira]

when the next version will arrive

 

[Detective Cancer]

-snip-

I'll refrain from saying his name specifically from now on then, it's a habit though because their team/patreon URL is Kuja.
As far as informing myself (didn't respond to this earlier, my bad) I'm up to date on about as much as I can gather off Discord every now and then, and I don't have access to the Patreon anymore for obvious reasons.
Like I said before, I'm just waiting till November at this point, cautiously optimistic, but far from uninformed, just bitter.
MightyAltroll giving his personal insights on the thread helped my feelings slightly but it's been 3 years like this.

 

[Deleted member 1670392]

...I grow increasingly tired of the misinformation this website spreads for absolutely no reason other than to get off on negativity...

But that's the only way I can CUM, by laughing at a good shitshow!!!

Frankly, what I've seen from your team so far is good in a lot of ways. Despite the naysayers, I think your stuff is worth another shot tbh. Make your game, make it good, and I'll gib the cash, and you can snort all the coke you want with it, as long as I can turn Krystal into the dirty little whore she deserves to be

 

[BOBINGTON453]

so whats going on with the game at the mo? i tried reaiding the comments and ther seems to be a lot of yelling

 

[Detective Cancer]

so whats going on with the game at the mo? i tried reaiding the comments and ther seems to be a lot of yelling

They're working on the Rebirth Remake, planned release for a demo is next month, just gotta wait and see.
That's about it.

 

[galindae]

next month is december?

 

[No.Name00]

They're working on the Rebirth Remake, planned release for a demo is next month, just gotta wait and see.
That's about it.

There is no such thing as "Planned release". They work on the game and release the demo as soon as they can. There is no fix release date for the demo because it would be inconvenient, seeing that they got several setbacks in the last two month to.

 

[Detective Cancer]

There is no such thing as "Planned release". They work on the game and release the demo as soon as they can. There is no fix release date for the demo because it would be inconvenient, seeing that they got several setbacks in the last two month to.

Well tentative planned release.
My bad bro, gotta use specific wording I guess~~ :L
I should know better saying "planned" and "release" with this project though.

 

[No.Name00]

Well tentative planned release.
My bad bro, gotta use specific wording I guess~~ :L
I should know better saying "planned" and "release" with this project though.

While i understand you, it is better not using that kind of wording, because it is easily make misunderstandings and arguments would born from those misunderstandings. Like in the past. I and many others want to avoid this kind of shit storms.

 

[Detective Cancer]

While i understand you, it is better not using that kind of wording, because it is easily make misunderstandings and arguments would born from those misunderstandings. Like in the past. I and many others want to avoid this kind of shit storms.

Fair enough~

 

[ecstase]

save v0.8?

 

[Detective Cancer]

Drop this in C:\Users\<you>\AppData\LocalLow\LOK Team\LOK Rebirth and extract it.
There's some scenes that aren't repeatable that being at this stage will not be able to be seen.
Furthermore you're at the point where you can rip your clothes up at night if you talk to the girl in your tent.

Spoiler: This is a basic guide if you wanna do 0.8 yourself.

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[chopolander]

Dear Developer. I supported the game until now.

Now? No.
Why? Because a game I was liking is supposed to have been cancelled/rebuild.
Will I do it again? If the new game is supposed to be better than it is now: yes.
When will I support? When the new content reaches the level of what i have played so far.
What made you withdraw support? I'm sick of putting up with bullshit-patreons. Before i support Bad Bobby Saga: In short: a fucking thief.

Until then, I recommend that you don't respond to anyone and focus on development, like Seam Murray did with No Mans Sky.

I emphasize that I gave 5 stars to this game.

 

[Ion.TemUS]

You know.
I have seem some people post stuff here, talking about "unfair critizism" and "talking bad about the game" and all this stuff.
Let me give you my opinion.

I like that they are commited to doing something more and improving the quality of the game, doubling down instead of cancelling the game. And I hope just as much as everybody else that this game is gonna turn out good and have regular and proper content updates after a while. I supported the dev in the early stages of development, before all the problems started to turn up. I hope they can fulfill their vision and have fun developing this game.

But.
Im not here to spare feelings and pretend that everything is fine and dandy. Im not gonna pretend that the devs didnt screw up for months and not properly develop the game with a lot of excuses for delayed content before they started the reboot just so the developers feelings arent hurt.

Yes, I know they have a bigger team now, I know its hard af to make a game alone. But I have seen people make Indie Games alone or as a team of 2 - 3, and I have seen those games developed, faster, more streamlined and with more updates WITHOUT any patreon support or kickstarter stuff before the release. There are prominent examples of succesfull (non-adult) developers who did their games without funding and still had regular updates. They had to do all the same stuff. Build game systems, make animations, draw the art, create the soundtrack, and everything else.

I am sure a lot of the people (surely not all, but a lot) who come here to write something about the game, some of which have supported the game in the past, only express their disappointment and worries because they would really like or have liked this game to succeed. So dont brush away critizism just because you are a big fan of the game and dont want to hear the bad stuff, or because you are a developer of the game and feel your feelings are hurt or you are treated unjustly.

We understand nobody is perfect. Just dont sweep the issues that happened in the past under the rug. Understand and accept that people are justified in being skeptical for now, until you deliver and show them that its worth trusting you again.

 

[BOSSX]

your save not working need new one

 

[156_163_146_167]

They work on the game and release the demo as soon as they can.

That may be right, but not setting any deadlines at all is a great way to not get things done.