Unity Abandoned Legend of Krystal: Rebirth [v0.8] [LOK Team]

[MightyAltroll]

That's because that's what a vast majority of Patreon projects feel like most of the time.

There are very very few projects that have 1000+ Patreons or who earn say $2000+ a month that don't progress extremely slowly, regardless of how simple their game is. It's very suspicious when a project hits that sort of a range then suddenly updates go incredibly slow.

Of course, more money doesn't equate to an automatic increase of quality or speed but when both suddenly drop for no well explained reason, it's highly worrisome.
And then there's the issue of devs who start earning a lot and decide they need to massively overhaul a game people were already enjoying, reworking the art or adding in a bunch of mechanics that make it take another 2 years to finish, if the project doesn't just die from devs peacing out, people losing interest or some quarrel leading to the demise of the game, like with the infamous Breeding Season.

If nothing else, surely you can see why changes like this don't excite people? It is damn hard to have faith in Patreon projects and it seems clear to me people would rather see games just get completed, so they feel like they can trust devs to make more in greater quality later.

I can concur with that second response on non-fans making fandom material. As an occasional fanfic author; sometimes I may produce content on a series I know only superficial information on. A unique idea may pass through my mind and I go, oh I know of this one series that may fit in well with. That doesn't mean I go in and just write whatever, it means I have to go in and review the content carefully. I won't make a Star Fox fic without first understand what I'm getting into. I'm sure the same could be said about artists as well, I'm sure the Legend of Krystal staff has made sure their works is par with the source material.

Fandoms shouldn't be attacking creators. They're a small minority and those who produce high quality media are 1 in million. I downloaded this at .8 and I must say the prospect looks great. It just needs more content.

I don't mind criticism, it's just the constant negativity about things we've already explained wear me down. This game wouldn't survive if we didn't reboot. It was something that we had to do to continue making the game, and yet we constantly get shit for it. Bothersome.

Anyway, I appreciate your support, we're working hard to try and make a higher quality game. It's just that the higher quality takes far more time. We've also made the mistake of listening to fans on remodels and other stuff that we shouldn't have done...

 

[DoorFive]

Oooo Weee their trying! Take is easy on these guys, they already have a lot of pressure on them for working on a "cursed" game. I'm seeing both sides, and they all have some points. There are indeed a lot of patrions out there 'earning' loads of money with little to show. But is it fair to sweep the LoK:R staff under the same rug? I remember once upon a time that things were going abysmal and the team even said go ahead and withdraw your pledges for a month. who does that?

Now though, it's true that one of the members currently has a family emergency, but the other aspects are still being worked on. Heck, I'll even toss a little update for you guys to show it's progress.

"this is the current WIP of the walk cycle for front"

If I were honest I'd say her feet are not picking up as much as I'd like, but it's a WIP. Since I (and I also suspect a lot of others here) don't have experience in gave development, I'd say it would not be right to judge without being in their shoes.

 

[smithsmithsmith]

That is entirely incorrect. I've played all of the LoK games. Just because Gorepete made a good LoK spinoff doesn't mean we have to copy what he left off with. I'm not sure who you talked to, but most of our devs played LoK Version G, and the original LoK, to, you know, know the source material.




And that is what you immediately assume? Despite all of our statements about our desire to make the game as it should be made?

This is why I rarely speak on here. Everything is immediately taken negatively. No, I'm not a furry. I don't take much stock in the fandom, however I had a childhood crush on Krystal ever since I played Star Fox Adventures when I was going through puberty. Ontop of that, we're not making much money **at all**. One of our devs isn't even being paid, so don't even think that we're doing this for money.

Every time I come on here I feel like everyone thinks we're a bunch of imbecilic scam artists.

I'm a pessimist, I assume the worst of everything. Crush on Krystal, but not a furry? I get the label ain't exactly CV material, but that's a weird line to draw when you're producing a porn game starring an anthro fox girl. As for people being wary, many other people have noted patreon is rife with opportunists, expect people to doubt until there's a completed product.

 

[MightyAltroll]

Oooo Weee their trying! Take is easy on these guys, they already have a lot of pressure on them for working on a "cursed" game. I'm seeing both sides, and they all have some points. There are indeed a lot of patrions out there 'earning' loads of money with little to show. But is it fair to sweep the LoK:R staff under the same rug? I remember once upon a time that things were going abysmal and the team even said go ahead and withdraw your pledges for a month. who does that?

Now though, it's true that one of the members currently has a family emergency, but the other aspects are still being worked on. Heck, I'll even toss a little update for you guys to show it's progress.
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"this is the current WIP of the walk cycle for front"

If I were honest I'd say her feet are not picking up as much as I'd like, but it's a WIP. Since I (and I also suspect a lot of others here) don't have experience in gave development, I'd say it would not be right to judge without being in their shoes.

Yeah that was brought up. Unfortunately the guy dealing with a family emergency is our animator.

What we're planning of course is something like this

 

[Gutsandguts]

But is it fair to sweep the LoK:R staff under the same rug? I remember once upon a time that things were going abysmal and the team even said go ahead and withdraw your pledges for a month. who does that?

Given the track record of Patreon projects and even beyond that, Legend of Krystal related games, surely the answer is yes?

I doubt people remember or know about that to be honest. Maybe this project will go swimmingly and it'll be one of the best porn games ever completed but cynicism ought to be disproved.
After having his back broken nobody believed Batman could jump out of that prison, until he eventually did it.
There's a reference.

 

[DoorFive]

Given the track record of Patreon projects and even beyond that, Legend of Krystal related games, surely the answer is yes?

I doubt people remember or know about that to be honest. Maybe this project will go swimmingly and it'll be one of the best porn games ever completed but cynicism ought to be disproved.
After having his back broken nobody believed Batman could jump out of that prison, until he eventually did it.
There's a reference.

I-I-I...um, Sorry, I'm not well versed with batman, I don't get it.

But hey, You miss at every pitch you don't swing at. No...that would not be missing. missing implies you tried. How about, you don't hit the ball if you never swing. yeah yeah, I like that better. You do have a point though, as much as I hate to admit, that Patreon is infamous for what it is (lack for a better word, cash grabbers.) And yes, there are, i don't know...lots of unfinished Lok games. But remember that one that was made, Version G? It's talked about and referenced by thousands. It is one of the post original LoK games to have huge success. I would love to see that recreated here, and I'm sure so would everyone else.

I get it, people are upset that their favorite iconic fox may not ever have another face in this kind of lewd light. There is debate, accusations, anger, name calling, and general chaos. I get it. People want this to succeed, it's perhaps the best chance of a Lok game we've had in a long while of this degree. People are also pessimistic about it, having fears and doubts. There is nothing I can claim that would put these restless thoughts at ease. But we can look at this rationally. There have been updates after updates, the devs are working on this. it will take time, and money. Worst case scenario is if this is never finished. Other's may say, worst case scenario is that the devs take the money and run. But that does not seem to be the case, from what I have witnessed.

Admittedly I would say visit their discord and view the streams they have once in a while, but with the artist in an emergency, the streams have ceased, for now. There is however, Q&A in the discord voice chat from time to time where you can talk with a dev or more.

 

[stickitinher22]

Ontop of that, we're not making much money **at all**. One of our devs isn't even being paid, so don't even think that we're doing this for money.

Every time I come on here I feel like everyone thinks we're a bunch of imbecilic scam artists.

What?!

Isn't your Patreon 10k a month? At least it was previously. That's 2.5k a month since IIRC you have 4 people on your team, which is 30k a year.

For a side hustle that hasn't produced anything in the last 8 months or so that's pretty damn good!

EDIT: By produced anything, I mean something playable besides a few video streams.
I used to be a Patreon and I'll gladly become one again once I see a good product I want to support

 

[Mad_S]

What?!

Isn't your Patreon 10k a month? At least it was previously. That's 2.5k a month since IIRC you have 4 people on your team, which is 30k a year.

For a side hustle that hasn't produced anything in the last 8 months or so that's pretty damn good!

EDIT: By produced anything, I mean something playable besides a few video streams.
I used to be a Patreon and I'll gladly become one again once I see a good product I want to support

They're now 5 devs:
- Gizmo (coder)
- Archie (main animator)
- Abelius (animator)
- Kuja (Artist)
- Vladimir (writing and project manager)

Add several contributors for musics, etc... and the "6th dev" Compound (environment artist) who are not paid.

 

[Tank1]

I believe once they have something to show, people will calm down, be happier and they will start to make money. It will be a struggle until then. I know before they restarted, they were close to 2000 pat's, now they have 1700. Getting something for people to try is going to be crucial though. Before the reboot I was a $25/month supporter, currently do not support. I currently do not support because I 100% have no idea what to expect of the finished product, literally no idea if I will enjoy it either. For me and me alone, I really need the demo to sorta show me the direction they will be taking, how they implement things and sorta the vision for the project. Alot of unknowns still. But all in good time I say!

 

[MightyAltroll]

What?!

Isn't your Patreon 10k a month? At least it was previously. That's 2.5k a month since IIRC you have 4 people on your team, which is 30k a year.

For a side hustle that hasn't produced anything in the last 8 months or so that's pretty damn good!

EDIT: By produced anything, I mean something playable besides a few video streams.
I used to be a Patreon and I'll gladly become one again once I see a good product I want to support

We are making a little less than $6,800 a month, split between 5 devs, with the coder and artist making the lionshare due to the importance of their expertise.. We also have a 6th one whom we cannot afford to pay yet. We are making very little. This is a labor of love and pride to try and make a good game, we aren't making enough for greed.

 

[aaron1997loves]

We are making a little less than $6,800 a month, split between 5 devs, with the coder and artist making the lionshare due to the importance of their expertise.. We also have a 6th one whom we cannot afford to pay yet. We are making very little. This is a labor of love and pride to try and make a good game, we aren't making enough for greed.

That makes sense. I mean you assume that most of these guys are still working full time jobs. It's not like their getting passive income from this (I could see how people would call something a scam if it was just one dude making $7,000 a month with nothing to show for it.

Besides, I assume that remaking a game is going to take forever, but depending on how they setup the rid system I think thing will probably move a LOT faster than they did in pre-rebuild. I just hope that we get there within a month or two. We're approaching half a year without any new content, and it's hard to back a game without seeing any game play updates. I assume once the Demo is out things will smooth over, but it still looks like it'll be a long wait.

 

[Ayam85]

The last update was in July 2019. Six months later in January 2020 still nothing ever heard from it. Even Summertime Saga already released a major update as well as several minor ones in this time period.

 

[156_163_146_167]

So on the topic of the devs not being furries, where does everybody draw that line? I personally like furry porn, but have no interest at all in doing anything related to it in real life, such as fursuits. Does that still make me a furry? I think that's where some confusion comes from. I'm willing to bet the devs are in a similar boat as I am, but don't categorize themselves as furries.

 

[MightyAltroll]

So on the topic of the devs not being furries, where does everybody draw that line? I personally like furry porn, but have no interest at all in doing anything related to it in real life, such as fursuits. Does that still make me a furry? I think that's where some confusion comes from. I'm willing to bet the devs are in a similar boat as I am, but don't categorize themselves as furries.

Yeah pretty much the boat we're in. We don't really consider ourselves furries, don't care much for the fandom. But the furry community has some astonishingly good artists and other assorted talent that we can really appreciate. As I said Krystal was one of my first crushes due to the happenstance of playing Star Fox Adventures while going through puberty. One day I went onto my computer and decided to look up that blue fox character that I couldn't remember the name of.

First image I ever encountered of Krystal was a Dr Comet drawing. My fate was immediately sealed.

If that makes me a furry, then fine, I guess, but I don't really like the vast majority of the fandom, personally.

 

[Gutsandguts]

Yeah I don't really understand the controversy behind non furry devs here, it's not a game about the furry fetish it's just anthropomorphic individuals doing the sex.
Basically all they need to have is the ability to draw them and a basic grasp on sexual interaction, as well as some creativity to spice things up.

I'd be more concerned if a game was being made by a group of asexuals who know nothing about sex or hugely conservative folk who are as knowledgeable about it as kids asking sex questions on Yahoo Answers. "if u turn a condom inside out can u use it agen?


You definitely don't need to be a furry to enjoy this stuff, let alone produce it.
Mandatory fursona's for all the devs! 8000 word backstories or riot!

 

[The Last Guy Here]

There is a new update for the new year but it's behind a paywall.

 

[Ruffy2010]

Is there an LOK Rebirth v0.8 walkthrough?

 

[Kirito191919]

when will the next update come?

 

[The Last Guy Here]

when will the next update come?

I really don't think we'll see something till April. They still, from what I saw on the Discord, make the models for more characters, work more on the quest system, looks like something with the dialog is almost done and work on the combat. Last I heard, main programmer is dealing with a family thing so there is a chance that hurt the timeline too.

 

[156_163_146_167]

when will the next update come?

I'm half expecting them to take at least another six months. They seem to be set on their perfectionism and don't want to publish a build that isn't 100% polished. If I were in their shoes I'd at least publish something. It doesn't matter how little, it's a way to get player feedback.