Unity Abandoned Legend of Krystal: Rebirth [v0.8] [LOK Team]

[MightyAltroll]

To those that liked some stuff about the old K model, such as the face, and the fur, I want you to know that you will be able to customize her quite a bit. The customization options we are planning are:
* Hair style
* Hair color
* Tail style
* Breast size
* Fur color
* Eye color
* Lips Shape/color
* Nose shape
* Eye shapes
* Eyebrows
* Pupil shapes
* Makeup (Eyeliner/eyeshadow/mascara/blush, etc.)


The following image is a DRAFT of such things that will be customizable. Kuja made the following by simply tweaking the fur color, hair style, eyes, and expression.

 

[Valaska]

I've made an example of what I would change in the design to make it more like the original look:

- Eyelashes and nose should be totally black, or almost black.

- The color should be darker and pulling towards purple

- Too many cat-like features: Mouth with too pronounced corners and pupils and iris too narrow...

- He should have a lot more front hair, hiding the headband.

- The contrast between lights and shadows should be a bit more exaggerated, to give the model more volume.


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I have to disagree with you on her body and anatomy. Kuja's work on the Rework 2.0 body is just... nice. So damn nice, and I think that Keakrix and the lizardfolk look pretty incredible too. The lizard people I am just extremely happy with that revision. In general, we've got some huge net positives so far and they are trying to address and move forward. But the team here has been trying to communicate "we will have some facial, hair, and colour customization" as MIghty just said, and he posted up a picture which just... checks all my boxes. Your post where you did a side by side actually pointed a few

Every single thing I wanted in the rework is bam, right there in MightyAltroll 's post. As kite man would say, Hell Yeah. The team here is trying their best and they're doing a lot of shit that's just blowing it out of the water now. But yeah it can be hard to get allt he information and its best to see it in picture. Picture is worth a thousand words.

 

[denpa]

Valaska mate we not judging here ppl's taste in porn , from your avatar i guess u like more feral features > like the fur "neck tie" from her chest , the lizards having longer faces..like original LOK and that's oke..whatever,BUT the point was that this game was build and supported mostly by people who liked the changes in LOK REBIRTH, they supported the game LOK rebirth , and not LOK remaster/remake. Old model had even the colours between blue and white fur with a nice transition. Eyes in 2.0 are super cold , sharp edges/angles are aggressive, not lewd , isn't that like a basic thing everyone learns when drawing eyes?

 

[Valaska]

Valaska mate we not judging here ppl's taste in porn , from your avatar i guess u like more feral features > like the fur "neck tie" from her chest , the lizards having longer faces..like original LOK and that's oke..whatever,BUT the point was that this game was build and supported mostly by people who liked the changes in LOK REBIRTH, they supported the game LOK rebirth , and not LOK remaster/remake. Old model had even the colours between blue and white fur with a nice transition. Eyes in 2.0 are super cold , sharp edges/angles are aggressive, not lewd , isn't that like a basic thing everyone learns when drawing eyes?

Uhmmm I wouldn't say that the lizards have moved on the "Furry scale" and I actually don't really care for ferals tbh, I'm referred to as "vanilla tame ass bitch" by Lewd Logic lol. But uh yeah it is a furry/anthro project and always has/will be. The males for example, the RazorClaw, have been very hecking much anthro/scalies. The Females aren't really getting much of a change other than the way the mouth works. But they still have snouts and such.

This one is definitely one of the weakest "anime betrayals" of all time if it can even be called that. The males are FAR more monstrous etc and they've been fucking Krystal since the start of this so it shocks me that you would uh, take umbrage now haha. Krystal has, always, been a furry too.

 

[chopolander]

This is already something else.
A visual example was enough to make the character better and now it looks more like its original appearance. THIS should be its DEFAULT APPEARANCE, this one and not a blue egyptian cat.

I like the idea of being able to modify some features, tattoos, makeup, but changing the whole character seems excessive to me... Krystal is Krystal. If we can change her skin to pink, then it won't be Krystal, it will be Amy Rose.

 

[Valaska]

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This is already something else.
A visual example was enough to make the character better and now it looks more like its original appearance. THIS should be its DEFAULT APPEARANCE, this one and not a blue egyptian cat.

I like the idea of being able to modify some features, tattoos, makeup, but changing the whole character seems excessive to me... Krystal is Krystal. If we can change her skin to pink, then it won't be Krystal, it will be Amy Rose.

Yeah she looks incredible, on a whole other level.

Now I'll let you in on a bit of a secret... I spoke with Kuja, MIghtAlTroll, a few others too as fellow dev person and basically the cutomization means Nintendo won't be able to come down on the project and sue the team. They can simply change the colour etc to make "K" be a unique character, which tbh, she kind of almost is because Nintendo has never taken the character to this fidelity before.

But this is an amazing and legitimate safety measure. If Nintendo came at their project, they could namechange and continue development. The setting is unique, the planet is different, the only things it really shared/shares are rather superficial things that aren't vital to the game. Change "K's" hair style and tail, add in the ability to customize the character or unlock "Klassic Mode" and wing bang done.

And it gives people the choice at the end of the day. There's nothing wrong with allowing other people to pick their character if they wanted to have... say... Fara Phoenix or something, for some reason. Even though Krystal is superior to Fara in every way shape and form.

 

[NeverKnow]

Hey guys. I have a question. New to the game, and i stuck at 199 trust. Didn't find a way to reach the milestone. How to get it? Or perhaps there is a guide to v0.8? Would really help.

 

[Alkizon]

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Oh... don't remind, I really miss original

 

[chopolander]

Body 2.0 has, in my opinion, some things that don't quite convince me, they stand out a lot in the side view.

- It has a small stomach, which gives the impression that the legs are somewhat forward of the body. Works best on model 1.0.
- The ears look very much in front. Works best on model 1.0.
- The size of the foot is a little short for the height of the character.
- The totally lateral view, showing only one half of the body, should not be used.

 

[NeverKnow]

Hey guys. I have a question. New to the game, and i stuck at 199 trust. Didn't find a way to reach the milestone. How to get it? Or perhaps there is a guide to v0.8? Would really help.

So, i read some discussions... Don't tell me that this is 0.8 and you still cant get past 199 loyalty. That will be very sad.

 

[Phanatic]

Body 2.0 has, in my opinion, some things that don't quite convince me, they stand out a lot in the side view.

- It has a small stomach, which gives the impression that the legs are somewhat forward of the body. Works best on model 1.0.
- The ears look very much in front. Works best on model 1.0.
- The size of the foot is a little short for the height of the character.
- The totally lateral view, showing only one half of the body, should not be used.

I have been thinking for awhile of what you've been talking about and got curious of what you meant.
Decided to compile a little bunch of comparisons and I actually found out that I somewhat agree with a few things that you said.
Visual representation is allways better to understand the subject of discussion.


I use more comic-like ref-s because they tend to show muscles somewhat more extreme, but because of that you can kinda understand where and which muscle might be drawn. Though not everyone likes that style, so it maybe not the best representation, but oh well...




What's my point? Nothing really. I just thought it would be interesting for some people to see some kind of comparisons without the need to google.

I agree on some points with chopolander though, like her belly on 1.0 looks more attractive, because you can see it better.
As well as her her snout in rework 1.0 attracts me personally more than 2.0.
But things like 3/4 being better and more interesting than simply lateral view were said like 10k+ times already and dev-s heard that, but desicion was made to go with lateral ON THE START. In the future char-s are going to have 3/4 front and 3/4 back views as well, so it will be done eventually even though its an enormous task to do not only the char-s but also the armors and animations for them in all of those angles.

Personally I love Kuja's art in whatever form it comes out and I think new models look High Quality a.f.
And even though I like pre-vamp Krys more than the current K, her freshly-done face/hair/mouth customisation shows pretty great final outlook imo.
New art is different but its still pretty damn great.

p.s. lizardfolk now looks more like crocodilefolk with those jaws.

 

[chopolander]

As well as her her snout in rework 1.0 attracts me personally more than 2.0.

+1
v1 less cat and more fox

I might add that the tail of the v2 is totally disproportionate, too big.
To tell the truth you can't see where it comes from and it will be a total problem for the animations.
The butt is also too small, the curve of the buttock should fall more, as in v1

 

[zeusdia]

To Kuja - thanks for the best looking Krys of all media I saw till now!
But I want to also add that it was the original you made that looked best. Even the rework 1.0 was close enough to that to be great (though I'm not a fan of the new color).

Especially the face in the rework 2.0 looks.. weird. Eyes are too low, the whole face looks more like a mask than a face. I am really surprised it was preferred so much by people on Patreon and Discord.

I've been following this game since around version 0.3 and I really enjoyed it.
While I'm quite worried about the new way the game is going (based on so far available info, the planned ratio of porn-to-gameplay seems to weigh too much towards gameplay IMO, the game you had so far had it great), I'm still waiting to see how this will all turn out. And I can see that the team pours much love into the game now.

The new draft of a more original look Vlad posted here and on Discord gives me hope that it will be possible to play the new game with much more original-looking Krystal. At least we have something.

 

[NeverKnow]

Yep. 1.0 seems better to me too

 

[NeverKnow]

Hey guys. Again with questions about 0.8. How to get MC clothes stolen during the bathtime? No matter what i do and how much i reload, i only get scenes with Nesi and Nemiri... Is there some condition?

 

[kujakuja]

- It has a small stomach, which gives the impression that the legs are somewhat forward of the body. Works best on model 1.0.

The arm in front of half the torso gives you that impression. I made a poll to decide if she would have a more "fit" build than previous versions and it won, so I made sure I added in some muscles and removed some localized fat on some spots, belly included.

- The ears look very much in front. Works best on model 1.0.

Again, upon request we made another poll for the ears and the new one won.

- The totally lateral view, showing only one half of the body, should not be used.

Characters have now multiple angles.

 

[kujakuja]

To Kuja - thanks for the best looking Krys of all media I saw till now!
But I want to also add that it was the original you made that looked best. Even the rework 1.0 was close enough to that to be great (though I'm not a fan of the new color).

Especially the face in the rework 2.0 looks.. weird. Eyes are too low, the whole face looks more like a mask than a face. I am really surprised it was preferred so much by people on Patreon and Discord.

I've been following this game since around version 0.3 and I really enjoyed it.
While I'm quite worried about the new way the game is going (based on so far available info, the planned ratio of porn-to-gameplay seems to weigh too much towards gameplay IMO, the game you had so far had it great), I'm still waiting to see how this will all turn out. And I can see that the team pours much love into the game now.

The new draft of a more original look Vlad posted here and on Discord gives me hope that it will be possible to play the new game with much more original-looking Krystal. At least we have something.

Thanks. But yes, we're keeping a close look at that ratio. This is why feedback is very important after we release the first tech demo. We want to make sure to tune things up or down depending on people's tastes.

 

[DoorFive]

Hey guys. Again with questions about 0.8. How to get MC clothes stolen during the bathtime? No matter what i do and how much i reload, i only get scenes with Nesi and Nemiri... Is there some condition?

How do I get the 'stolen clothes' event? First, you need to unlock waterfall bathing by washing the pot once. Then, you need to have asked Keakrix about the Xyrin. Finally, get into the water to bathe. You have a 40% (as of v0.7) of the event triggering.

 

[chopolander]

The arm in front of half the torso gives you that impression. I made a poll to decide if she would have a more "fit" build than previous versions and it won, so I made sure I added in some muscles and removed some localized fat on some spots, belly included.

No, no, no, please no... Don't give me any polls. We're talking about anatomy and you're coming at me with polls. Please take a look upstairs to see the Phantas comparisons. The legs seen in profile can NEVER be further forward than the belly.

The profile of the women is more "duck ass", that's why the thigh falls backwards, and not forward like in v2.

Again, upon request we made another poll for the ears and the new one won.

And again with the polls. That's not the natural position of any animal's ears. If anything, animals put them on like that when something gets their attention.

You can use them as animation in certain events, but not while Krystal walks around relaxed.

Characters have now multiple angles.

A totally "greek profile" style design will give the character a flat feel, unless you add more shading to the design.

 

[DoorFive]

No, no, no, please no... Don't give me any polls. We're talking about anatomy and you're coming at me with polls. Please take a look upstairs to see the Phantas comparisons. The legs seen in profile can NEVER be further forward than the belly.

The profile of the women is more "duck ass", that's why the leg curves fall backwards.



And again with the polls. That's not the natural position of any animal's ears. If anything, animals put them on like that when something catches their eye.



A totally "greek profile" style design will give the character a flat feel, unless you add more shading to the design.

I can see where your coming from. basically, what you are saying is that a million people (polls) can be wrong. Your obviously passionate, or you would not be so...can i call you upset? I don't know if there will be anymore reversions of our heroin, but if they do, they might listen more frequently on their discord as that seems to be their main platform for communication. not to say they wouldn't take design notes here, but I assume they frequent less here. Your criticisms might reach further over there.