Unity Abandoned Legend of Krystal: Rebirth [v0.8] [LOK Team]

[chopolander]

remember most of us here are free loaders and when we mean no updates we mean no playable content. (meant to you friend)

(others) gonna be honest i dont know why people get bent out of shape. if your okay with slow progress and constant restructuring thats great give them your money, its something you like. if you dont want to pay for that then dont. but dont hop on here just to bitch about a game you dont pay for anyway.

let the other people pay for and enjoy their game, then just come here every so often to see what you can grab for free. no reason to bitch when it cost you nothing . but it does clog the forum when someone looks to get a serious review of what little new content their may be and all you can find is people bitching.

You paint it very pretty, but you forget that there are people here who HAVE PAID (so far).
The people here who are complaining, (**I'm one of them, in case you haven't noticed**) it's because we've seen how a game we've supported for months has suddenly changed. And it's changed for the worse...
They're promising us a game that, while it sounds exaggerated, they want to turn it into a GTA. Oh, yes, a good reason to spend months and months and months absorbing the Patreons' money...

Now there's a huge map, inventories, more races, fights... Oh, yes, that's very good, but we've been seeing only samples for months where the quality has worsened... and a lot.

Although you may not have noticed, the complaints are constructive... But there is a moment when, at least to me, it seems that the authors want to make fun of people. You don't like Krystal's feet? Okay, fine, change them... But don't fucking change the whole model.

We've talked about the change in quality of the characters, the animations, the hidden but already notable death of the previous game to create something that doesn't measure up... And on top of that, we have to deal with the spontaneous on-caller who says "nobody here pays".

 

[Steppino]

This reminds me of when pages ago people were discussing the new Krystal design and how it was selected through polls where the patrons voted their preferences and basically the argument devolved into "it shouldn't count because it's not what *I* would've voted"

 

[chopolander]

Of course, since I don't pay now, I don't have the right to decide the design of Krystal, right?
Good philosophy to regain the trust of your supporters, yes...
At least I hope you know that Krystal is a fox and not a cat.

 

[Steppino]

Of course, since I don't pay now, I don't have the right to decide the design of Krystal, right?
Good philosophy to regain the trust of your supporters, yes.
At least I hope you know that Krystal is a fox and not a cat.

Everyone has the right to voice their opinion but it's unfair to act like a betrayed paying customer when, as you yourself keep pointing out, you aren't.

It's not like I've never been disappointed in a Patreon project myself, and there's plenty of creators I'd accuse of being dishonest or incompetent with how they handle things, i just don't understand why so many of these accusations fly here pf all places since as it has been pointed out again and again the devs are very open about showing what they're doing with time and money. If i wanted i could complain for example about Krystal's new feet/paws that i consider too big and awkward compared to the previous version but i won't act like my nitpicks should override the popular vote

 

[chopolander]

Ah, it's clear to me. That is, those of us who stopped paying because "the product has suddenly changed" are "betrayers".

You know what the problem is? Making from 0 a Patreon is very difficult.
The easy thing is to take one that's already loaded with patrons and spend 9 months saying you're going to do the same thing and better... when what you're showing isn't.

A Patreon member gets patronage based on what show during his trajectory. Now you not only change the trajectory, but you change what you show... Ah, but we "betrayers" are the bad guys in the movie.

 

[Steppino]

I never called you or anyone a betrayer? Rer-read the post. And i don't know your life story m8, if you weren't a patron when the patrons were voting the new Krystal then that's it, how would i know if you otherwise used to donate money before?

 

[chopolander]

I never called you or anyone a betrayer? Rer-read the post.

Everyone has the right to voice their opinion but it's unfair to act like a betrayed paying customer when, as you yourself keep pointing out, you aren't.

how would i know if you otherwise used to donate money before?

Oh, sure, that's something I can't prove, right? I can have one nickname here and another in Patreon, right? But I can think of other questions, like how do I know you're not a member of the team, a supporter of the team, or you're not being paid by the team to defend their decisions?

Donations are anonymous, as is your online presence. The important thing is not to ask stupid questions like that, as an attempt to defend your opinions.

 

[156_163_146_167]

chopolander Betrayed =/= betrayer, mate.

And can we just please stay civil and be nice to each other?

 

[Steppino]

Oh, sure, that's something I can't prove, right? I can have one nickname here and another in Patreon, right? But I can think of other questions, like how do I know you're not a member of the team, a supporter of the team, or you're not being paid by the team to defend their decisions?

Donations are anonymous, as is your online presence. The important thing is not to ask stupid questions like that, as an attempt to defend your opinions.

I don't know why you're getting so defensive, i quite literally meant that i have no idea wether you were ever a patron or not, i wasn't accusing you of lying. I don't get it, so far i merely referenced your own words about how you weren't donating at least around the time this reboot happened - did i just get it wrong?

But yeah, as 156 says this convo has been going on long enough. You can call me a shill all you want, i'm just here cuz i'm interested in this jerkoff material

 

[chopolander]

And those of us here are also interested in this jerkoff material, some for less time and some for more time. But every now and then the "it's WIP" or the "we don't pay here" or the "we don't pay anymore, so nothing" comes up again. The LOK they want to bring us is not and does not have the quality of the previous one, no matter how much MightyAltroll wants to defend it.

 

[PlasmaWisp]

I’ve been here a while, so I’m just finally gonna throw my two cents in. Unless you’re actively contributing to the project, you have no right to complain. We’re getting stuff here for free while other people pay to support the project and get their opinions acknowledged. In the end, I don’t care what they do, it’ll be a good fap regardless, and nothing’s stopping me from entering “Krystal Hentai” into a god damn Google search.

 

[chopolander]

Answering this again bores me. Just telling you to think that some of us here donate or have donated projects. This is an opinion forum, we can complain, laugh, cry or bite the keyboard if we want. If you're a conformist, well, good for you.

 

[Ravager210]

And those of us here are also interested in this jerkoff material, some for less time and some for more time. But every now and then the "it's WIP" or the "we don't pay here" or the "we don't pay anymore, so nothing" comes up again. The LOK they want to bring us is not and does not have the quality of the previous one, no matter how much MightyAltroll wants to defend it.

As a current Bloodbound supporter, and one from before this reboot, I can't really see what is worse quality than the old version. The animations in the old version were rough and that counted as polished. Comparatively, the new animations are much smoother and clean even in their rough test states. I can easily tell how these higher quality models and Spine rigs will translate into more fluid animations when they're polished(Not for the demo. To get the demo out faster the animations will be rough.). The Krystal walking animation is an example of a high quality polished animation and the run animation was further improved on, and those were just for the frontal view out of the total eight views.

And I'll admit, I wasn't initially the biggest fan of the new Krystal model. Kuja insists that as far as the head goes it's actually the same as the old design. There were some adjustments of course, but since he's the artist from the original project I imagine he knows more than I do on that. I do think it looks different and I do think the old model, and even the version 1.0 remake were better than the current one. But with the customization options being offered for this remake, I can adjust her to my liking. And the character is still Krystal, I can tell that at a glance even with changes.

Honestly so far I have seen nothing from this new project that I feel is worse than the old project. Yes I have nitpicks about the model, but in comparison to anything else they're extremely minor manners of taste. And the expanded scale of the game impresses me and I hope they achieve it because turning LoK into a real game and not just "Press X to Sex" is fresh to me. I've played so many LoK games that were so basic over the years, maybe changing something up here or there, but otherwise just being straight fap machines.

And I mean, if that's what you're here for, just a straight fap machine like the original version pretty much was, planned combat or not, then I am sorry that it's moving away from that direction(Even if it will still have just as many, if not more, opportunities to get laid, just with more substance and meat to the actual gameplay.). If you don't like the new direction, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I just personally don't see anything worth complaining about in comparison to the original other than the long wait time for the demo. Acts of nature and personal problems got in the way and delayed it. They have now have an even larger team than originally and the pace has picked up considerably which is why updates on progress are flying out faster now than before. They're finally fully on track and you'll get that demo sooner rather than later. But it's a technical demo. It will have sex scenes and some basic gameplay. But after that, they'll either do a combat demo, or they'll jump straight into the full game and get a playable build out in a more decent timeframe than it took for this demo. If I recall they were leaning towards the latter these days.

 

[PlasmaWisp]

I should probably amend my statement, you can freely voice your opinion, I mean duh, it is a forum, but I feel that the harassing of the devs would be both undeserved and baseless, since you literally have no impact on the devs whatsoever. If you donate, hey, then you can voice your opinions to them, and your ideas have actual value to the devs. Otherwise, we’re just a clump of nonsupporters (but some of course who are), whose opinions literally have no effect on the game, since we’re not buying it anyway. In short, if you want to get your voice heard, it’s probably wise to throw some money their way first.

 

[chopolander]

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to continue donating the game because I don't see anything worthwhile (at the moment). Yes, I said "continue", even though you focus on the fact that here we only talk about things we take for free, don't put us all in the same bag, please. Some of us liked the original LOK, that's why we donated... Maybe not since forever, but we've done it. If you haven't donated I can understand your passivity or conformity, but you understands that for those who have contributed in his day, it's hurtful to hear "if you don't donate, you can't have an opinion", especially considering that, in the end, Patreon's content is free, you support the developers to finance themselves, nothing else.

From the first moment I said both the art of this game, as the dialogs and as the development were great. (Note that lack of respect towards the main developer I have to come to praise his game with 5 stars) And yes, it may have good things and bad things ... but if you think that the strange deformations that have these animations are normal... I really can't think how some people say that the previous animations were rough and don't laugh at the new ones.

 

[156_163_146_167]

If you donate, hey, then you can voice your opinions to them, and your ideas have actual value to the devs.

I don't agree with that statement on principle. And the devs would do good to take into consideration the feedback they get from as many sources as they can, not just the ones that are giving them money. Being a supporter already shows you have a bias, and there is value to looking at what the other side has to say about the matter.

I don't want to give them money because I don't want to support a product I cannot have my hands on yet. I don't want to support the practice of throwing away what you already had instead of finishing a product first. I've seen that go wrong too many times already. So no, I'm not going to pay them in the hopes that they'll listen to my feedback.

 

[Ravager210]

but if you think that the strange deformations that have these animations are normal... I really can't think how some people say that the previous animations were rough and don't laugh at the new ones.

The old animations also had deformations at times. Krystal's head would flatten during one animation with Cenvir. And that was a final animation. It could be fixed, but it was polished already. These new animations with the deformations you cite are in their roughest stage of development, they are not final, it will be ironed out as best they can.

 

[chopolander]

I love it when people talk as if they were the development team, knowing all the past and future ins and outs of the game, XD.

 

[MightyAltroll]

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to continue donating the game because I don't see anything worthwhile (at the moment). Yes, I said "continue", even though you focus on the fact that here we only talk about things we take for free, don't put us all in the same bag, please. Some of us liked the original LOK, that's why we donated... Maybe not since forever, but we've done it. If you haven't donated I can understand your passivity or conformity, but you understands that for those who have contributed in his day, it's hurtful to hear "if you don't donate, you can't have an opinion", especially considering that, in the end, Patreon's content is free, you support the developers to finance themselves, nothing else.

From the first moment I said both the art of this game, as the dialogs and as the development were great. (Note that lack of respect towards the main developer I have to come to praise his game with 5 stars) And yes, it may have good things and bad things ... but if you think that the strange deformations that have these animations are normal... I really can't think how some people say that the previous animations were rough and don't laugh at the new ones.

Goodbye then.

I don't agree with that statement on principle. And the devs would do good to take into consideration the feedback they get from as many sources as they can, not just the ones that are giving them money. Being a supporter already shows you have a bias, and there is value to looking at what the other side has to say about the matter.

I don't want to give them money because I don't want to support a product I cannot have my hands on yet. I don't want to support the practice of throwing away what you already had instead of finishing a product first. I've seen that go wrong too many times already. So no, I'm not going to pay them in the hopes that they'll listen to my feedback.

We do listen to everyone. I wouldn't post here or exist on this forum if I didn't. That said, we do listen to people who support us more, because they are funding the development. However, we, as devs, have the ultimate say in what we do/push forward.

We bring up votes for things that we personally cannot decide on, or things that the public may find interesting to vote on. Ultimately the game is being made from our collective visions as a dev team that all love video games. Just because someone donates to us and demands we throw in pregnant scat fetal penetration, does not mean we're going to do so, or even consider it.

Paying us doesn't mean we'll listen to you, nor does it mean we won't listen to you. We listen to everyone, and there are plenty of people on our discord that haven't payed us anything whose suggestions we have decided to use.

The old game that people like still exists. You can still go play it. Sorry it won't be finished, but you have absolutely no idea what was going on behind development that caused us to go in this direction. What is done, is done, and frankly people in this forum need to seriously come to terms with that. Calling what we're doing now 'lower quality' is just a blatant lie, and when people blatantly lie it makes me not want to listen to those people.

The old animations also had deformations at times. Krystal's head would flatten during one animation with Cenvir. And that was a final animation. It could be fixed, but it was polished already. These new animations with the deformations you cite are in their roughest stage of development, they are not final, it will be ironed out as best they can.

Yeah, we're also rushing/prioritizing a lot to try and get lots of things done for this upcoming playtest, so there isn't a lot of polish. When we have the time to sit down and refine what we've made, you'll see some amazing things.

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Couple of videos showing off the UI and our new 3D camera, btw, if you haven't seen them. Gizmo was worried whether people would like the camera or not, so I decided to record a preview of it. I think it's pretty good, personally.

 

[chopolander]

Very nice as you say, but perhaps the best thing would have been for the team not to show anything until it has at least a version 1.0, that is, a closed-door development, because otherwise you risk being told both the good and the bad, and as an author you must know how to tackle both. But of course, pausing a Patreon for several months hurts, doesn't it?

Do I need to tell you what happened with No Mans Sky and his rebirth because of how Hello Games acted?