Anyone else only have the first sex scene load? The rest don't even load its just the text?
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Only 2 things.
1. In F95 is not going to add an entry with what is new to exit? Because if it is the case, then it will be somewhat difficult to follow the thread of things without the easy to follow the page.
2. From what I see, with the launcher, I see that they seek to prevent the most recent future versions from spreading so quickly, so that the patreon has some strength, but the question here comes ... So that implies that there will be exclusive content of patreon or will it only be a difference as to what content one and the other get to access? Type: Public content is the content of patreon from last month and patreon has content of the month.
Because that being the case it would not be bad, but if it were the other ... I understand that they have to give reasons to the patreon, but that the content in general is divided in such a way, I personally find it somewhat heavy and not in good sense. Because of course, patreon pays for the project to continue and the general public just watches, but in both cases they are both fans of the same thing, so drawing such a firm line between each other is what seems to me somewhat unnecessary .
In case of creating a line, I think it would be better if the extra content of patreon were treated as DLC that they download and enjoy, but the base game is base for everyone. In a simpler and more direct term: that if there are scenes that I am missing, I will not get a sign saying that because I am not a patreon I miss it or that because I am not a patreon I lost the variation in the situation to occur. That one doesn´t have to find out for free and that it is up to one to find out and then decide whether to support in order to access or not.
1. In F95 is not going to add an entry with what is new to exit? Because if it is the case, then it will be somewhat difficult to follow the thread of things without the easy to follow the page.
2. From what I see, with the launcher, I see that they seek to prevent the most recent future versions from spreading so quickly, so that the patreon has some strength, but the question here comes ... So that implies that there will be exclusive content of patreon or will it only be a difference as to what content one and the other get to access? Type: Public content is the content of patreon from last month and patreon has content of the month.
Because that being the case it would not be bad, but if it were the other ... I understand that they have to give reasons to the patreon, but that the content in general is divided in such a way, I personally find it somewhat heavy and not in good sense. Because of course, patreon pays for the project to continue and the general public just watches, but in both cases they are both fans of the same thing, so drawing such a firm line between each other is what seems to me somewhat unnecessary .
In case of creating a line, I think it would be better if the extra content of patreon were treated as DLC that they download and enjoy, but the base game is base for everyone. In a simpler and more direct term: that if there are scenes that I am missing, I will not get a sign saying that because I am not a patreon I miss it or that because I am not a patreon I lost the variation in the situation to occur. That one doesn´t have to find out for free and that it is up to one to find out and then decide whether to support in order to access or not.
TL;DR: This is a tech demo. technical aspects and how it plays are displayed. Not much else.
It's Patreon content as in you get armor or accessories that only Patrons get and stuff like that. To my knowledge Patrons will not get the latest build a whole month in advance of the public release. Maybe Bloodbounds will get like a week advance at most, but I don't think they'll be delaying or holding anything back just to inflate Patron numbers.
Only sex scenes 1 & 4 are in the demo currently. They're still working on 2 & 3 which will be added to the demo via an update. The writing for them is done though which is what you're seeing.
I do agree to a point that the old style was in a way higher quality. With straight artwork, no physical geometry, you can make everything as pretty as you'd like within the limitations of your artist. You could also play it on a potato. But I do see the merit in trying for a 3D environment with 2.5D 8-direction characters. Now according to Vlad on the Discord, they've already taken in the feedback on the environment, and they agreed they need to scale it back for most areas. Not entirely left to right like the old game, it will still be 3D with movement in all directions, but it won't be this massive landscape either. Areas like that will be reserved for like deserts and such. Vlad can correct me on that though if I didn't get it quite right.
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Now I want to preface this saying that I don't want to just outright tell them the decisions they made were wrong. As a casual consumer of the product this is not my place to say and what I give here is my personal opinion and nothing else. (Nor am I here to judge the quantitiy of their work, at least not for now considering this is an early demo).
With that out of the way.
I really prefered the 2D a lot. The background environments were BEAUTIFULLY drawn, they were gorgeous before. The kind of 2.5D point and click style worked. And tbh I was under the impression the new project, while wanting to include more 3D elements and jump and run stuff, would have the same background artwork and 2.5D-ish environments.
To visualize it I was imagining something like Super Mario Bros on the Super Nintendo in artstyle and side-scrolling character, with some added 2.5D elements and not something like Super Mario 64 or Paper Mario.
Now on the idea of having the 3D environments only for deserts and such.... sounds plausible, wouldn't be terrible. But ultimately, just to keep some kind of artstyle consistency in the game I feel they need to decide for one or the other. Fully 3D, which means 3D grass, 3D stalls, 3D castles, etc. Or fully 2.5D, which means multi-layered 2D environments. I get the 3D is easier to whip up. But I feel - even if 3D can be done beautifully - it is not only VERY HARD to get to that level of graphical fidelity, it also clashes with the mostly 2D models of the characters. If you go for this kind of environment you absolutely need 3D character models. And then the game becomes a completely different one. So yeah, some decisions need to be done there.
With that out of the way.
I really prefered the 2D a lot. The background environments were BEAUTIFULLY drawn, they were gorgeous before. The kind of 2.5D point and click style worked. And tbh I was under the impression the new project, while wanting to include more 3D elements and jump and run stuff, would have the same background artwork and 2.5D-ish environments.
To visualize it I was imagining something like Super Mario Bros on the Super Nintendo in artstyle and side-scrolling character, with some added 2.5D elements and not something like Super Mario 64 or Paper Mario.
Now on the idea of having the 3D environments only for deserts and such.... sounds plausible, wouldn't be terrible. But ultimately, just to keep some kind of artstyle consistency in the game I feel they need to decide for one or the other. Fully 3D, which means 3D grass, 3D stalls, 3D castles, etc. Or fully 2.5D, which means multi-layered 2D environments. I get the 3D is easier to whip up. But I feel - even if 3D can be done beautifully - it is not only VERY HARD to get to that level of graphical fidelity, it also clashes with the mostly 2D models of the characters. If you go for this kind of environment you absolutely need 3D character models. And then the game becomes a completely different one. So yeah, some decisions need to be done there.
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I agree. The 2D environments were brimming with fantastic, colourful art, and, as I've always said, the shading of the characters was perfectly adjusted to give it a depth effect.
In this version we have 3D environments of 32-bit or 64-bit console look with "paper" characters on the screen.
I think the team has made a complete mistake with this, they wanted to show off technology in a game that doesn't need it. Lok Rebirth might have flaws, but the art and presentation was what made it shine... Add to LOK RPG elements, character editor, more NPCs, puzzles... whatever you want, but not like this.
If you want to create a 3D game, you can perfectly apply it in a side-scroll without having to completely change the essence of the game. Something like
In this version we have 3D environments of 32-bit or 64-bit console look with "paper" characters on the screen.
I think the team has made a complete mistake with this, they wanted to show off technology in a game that doesn't need it. Lok Rebirth might have flaws, but the art and presentation was what made it shine... Add to LOK RPG elements, character editor, more NPCs, puzzles... whatever you want, but not like this.
If you want to create a 3D game, you can perfectly apply it in a side-scroll without having to completely change the essence of the game. Something like
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, for example, would be a good example of what would have been a true "evolution" of LOK.
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Well, i liked the previous game, i liked the art style, the shading was hell good.
I've been defending the developers of the remake, and downloaded the game with a decision not to listen to all the critics, who said that 0.0.0 was a garbage.
But... i don't know. Something is way wrong, the 3d integration is currently awful, hella lot of bugs, and i'm not telling about the stuff like "i jumped in corner 100 times and game crashed". Every area currently looks bugged, with wierd transitions. Even the very begginging, the map, was shacking to me like if it was an earthquake.
Okay, most of the people came here for 18+ content, and with that i have a question too - what the hell is wrong with Krystal's mouth in blowjob scene (think this is the only one available for this moment)? It looks like if she was a muppet. Every single animation and drawing right now looks wierd, and, as was mentioned before by other users, "paper'ish". Currently the 3D+2D sprites look awful. The only one that looks kinda good is Krystal walking, has some 3d shading in it.
So, i mentioned before i'm going to donate as soon as i see the game. Right now it's hard even to see potential, not even the half of the previous game quality (and i'm not talking about the 0.0.0, i speak about the future of the remake as i see it)
I'm gonna abandon this topic in a week or so, and will probably return after a couple of months, and if i wont see real progress and confirmation of MightyAITroll's "this game will be better than the original, the team is the same, and we have AAA programmer", than this will mean that Abelius was right and the previous game was 80% of his work, and you're capable of only this 20% percent part, so the new game will only be 20% as good as LOK:R.
Goodbye, and again - I REALLY hope that i'm wrong, and will donate to you and say "i'm sorry for disbilief" as an apologize after the next 3 months.
I've been defending the developers of the remake, and downloaded the game with a decision not to listen to all the critics, who said that 0.0.0 was a garbage.
But... i don't know. Something is way wrong, the 3d integration is currently awful, hella lot of bugs, and i'm not telling about the stuff like "i jumped in corner 100 times and game crashed". Every area currently looks bugged, with wierd transitions. Even the very begginging, the map, was shacking to me like if it was an earthquake.
Okay, most of the people came here for 18+ content, and with that i have a question too - what the hell is wrong with Krystal's mouth in blowjob scene (think this is the only one available for this moment)? It looks like if she was a muppet. Every single animation and drawing right now looks wierd, and, as was mentioned before by other users, "paper'ish". Currently the 3D+2D sprites look awful. The only one that looks kinda good is Krystal walking, has some 3d shading in it.
So, i mentioned before i'm going to donate as soon as i see the game. Right now it's hard even to see potential, not even the half of the previous game quality (and i'm not talking about the 0.0.0, i speak about the future of the remake as i see it)
I'm gonna abandon this topic in a week or so, and will probably return after a couple of months, and if i wont see real progress and confirmation of MightyAITroll's "this game will be better than the original, the team is the same, and we have AAA programmer", than this will mean that Abelius was right and the previous game was 80% of his work, and you're capable of only this 20% percent part, so the new game will only be 20% as good as LOK:R.
Goodbye, and again - I REALLY hope that i'm wrong, and will donate to you and say "i'm sorry for disbilief" as an apologize after the next 3 months.
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I just tried the tech demo but uh... Idk I miss how it used to look....the sex scene was okay but i really really miss how Krystal used to look from the previous game, Just my opinion... Well let's see how it turns out
Honestly I expected more even though it's a tech demo.. and another fact It took this long to get this done?
Just asking
Honestly I expected more even though it's a tech demo.. and another fact It took this long to get this done?
Just asking
I don't know why people expected more from a tech demo, this is about what I expected.
All of the 3d assets look like ass but I'm assuming they're just placeholders and stuff. I can sorta see how a game would work in a more open exploration style and if it actually was finished in that state it could be pretty cool!
I'd second alot of the people though in that I'm not sure a 3d experience is really much better than a more polished 2d one. I think both would work perfectly well to deliver the sort of experience the dev's seem interested in exploring, and a 2d one would be far less work. But I'm looking forward to see how progress proceeds from here. That's going to be the real litmus test I think.
All of the 3d assets look like ass but I'm assuming they're just placeholders and stuff. I can sorta see how a game would work in a more open exploration style and if it actually was finished in that state it could be pretty cool!
I'd second alot of the people though in that I'm not sure a 3d experience is really much better than a more polished 2d one. I think both would work perfectly well to deliver the sort of experience the dev's seem interested in exploring, and a 2d one would be far less work. But I'm looking forward to see how progress proceeds from here. That's going to be the real litmus test I think.
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This is like GOT S8 all over again lol
The fans waited a long time (They had initially said they would release this December 2019, so 7 months behind schedule). We finally get it, but it's just not right. Yeah, I was impressed with the launcher, it's cool and the map looks pretty huge with lots of new places, so there's a lot of potential there and you can tell the devs put a lot of thought into it. But the game just doesn't feel right. The sex scenes were not hot at all. The first HJ/BJ/Tit flashing etc in the old version were ALL hot and continued to get hotter. Krystal looked like a fucking babe and the Lizards looked pretty gangster while fucking/taking advantage of this exotic creature. In the tech demo though, the Snake looked like it had just ran a 400 or something panting like that. It actually reminded me of the funny video of the turtles having sex. I hope you guys didn't use that for inspiration
. Appius' cocks (why would I ever in my life need to know snakes have 2 dicks?) looked pretty gross and like dog dicks too, and Krystal looked like the new hunchback of notre dame without an ass in that bj scene. Although it was hot when she sat back.
The game just feels creepy in a way? I feel weird playing it. I think they took the furry thing a bit too far. Although Krystal is a furry, she was never really viewed as such in the previous versions and even in most of the Legend Of Krystal games. She seemed very human and the lizards also seemed very human. Now it actually feels like a fox having sex with a snake and to me that's just a step too far in a direction I'm not willing to go down lol.
I get that this is a tech demo, and not the final product, and I get that there's a lot of work yet to come. Lots of cool concepts haven't been implemented yet like the lust component with the %'s which sounds great. But the game just doesn't feel as good as the old one. Maybe it's the dialogue, or the overall mechanics, but it just feels off? I can't really explain it.
I'm probably wrong when I say this because I haven't been on their discord much, and haven't been a patron for at least a year but I would think most people play a sex game for the sex. The other stuff you can add is cool, sure, but I'm not trying to remember what 30 different berries and potions will do to Krystal, or work on building up her agility and physique to avoid losing a fight to not get fucked. I'm TRYNA get her fucked, that's the whole point. The RPG stats work in a game like Corruption Of Champions, where there aren't any visuals and the point is to RPG your own path. But I just feel like it will get annoying in this unless there's a cheat/god/hack mode to allow you to choose how to play. I'm not here for a long time, I'm here for a good time. I don't have hours to spend on upgrading her stats (not talking about lust/submission stats, but intelligence etc)
I don't know. I don't want to bash the devs, but I just feel like they are attempting something that just isn't what most people wanted. It's like going to a diner and ordering a ham and swiss sandwich, but your waiter brings you a steak, sunny side up eggs, salad, a margarita, and fries. The problem is, the steak is well done, eggs are stale, salad has too much dressing, margarita isn't mixed right and fries are too salty. Don't get me wrong, most people would prefer to have the 2nd order over the sandwich, but if the execution isn't done right then that meal just isn't enjoyable even though it's "more". Sometimes you just want a sandiwich ya know?
I'll be back in a few months, I'll wait until there is version 0.3 and see how the game has turned out. If it's improved I'll be happy to donate again, and continue to play your work.
Good luck Tribe team.
The fans waited a long time (They had initially said they would release this December 2019, so 7 months behind schedule). We finally get it, but it's just not right. Yeah, I was impressed with the launcher, it's cool and the map looks pretty huge with lots of new places, so there's a lot of potential there and you can tell the devs put a lot of thought into it. But the game just doesn't feel right. The sex scenes were not hot at all. The first HJ/BJ/Tit flashing etc in the old version were ALL hot and continued to get hotter. Krystal looked like a fucking babe and the Lizards looked pretty gangster while fucking/taking advantage of this exotic creature. In the tech demo though, the Snake looked like it had just ran a 400 or something panting like that. It actually reminded me of the funny video of the turtles having sex. I hope you guys didn't use that for inspiration
. Appius' cocks (why would I ever in my life need to know snakes have 2 dicks?) looked pretty gross and like dog dicks too, and Krystal looked like the new hunchback of notre dame without an ass in that bj scene. Although it was hot when she sat back.The game just feels creepy in a way? I feel weird playing it. I think they took the furry thing a bit too far. Although Krystal is a furry, she was never really viewed as such in the previous versions and even in most of the Legend Of Krystal games. She seemed very human and the lizards also seemed very human. Now it actually feels like a fox having sex with a snake and to me that's just a step too far in a direction I'm not willing to go down lol.
I get that this is a tech demo, and not the final product, and I get that there's a lot of work yet to come. Lots of cool concepts haven't been implemented yet like the lust component with the %'s which sounds great. But the game just doesn't feel as good as the old one. Maybe it's the dialogue, or the overall mechanics, but it just feels off? I can't really explain it.
I'm probably wrong when I say this because I haven't been on their discord much, and haven't been a patron for at least a year but I would think most people play a sex game for the sex. The other stuff you can add is cool, sure, but I'm not trying to remember what 30 different berries and potions will do to Krystal, or work on building up her agility and physique to avoid losing a fight to not get fucked. I'm TRYNA get her fucked, that's the whole point. The RPG stats work in a game like Corruption Of Champions, where there aren't any visuals and the point is to RPG your own path. But I just feel like it will get annoying in this unless there's a cheat/god/hack mode to allow you to choose how to play. I'm not here for a long time, I'm here for a good time. I don't have hours to spend on upgrading her stats (not talking about lust/submission stats, but intelligence etc)
I don't know. I don't want to bash the devs, but I just feel like they are attempting something that just isn't what most people wanted. It's like going to a diner and ordering a ham and swiss sandwich, but your waiter brings you a steak, sunny side up eggs, salad, a margarita, and fries. The problem is, the steak is well done, eggs are stale, salad has too much dressing, margarita isn't mixed right and fries are too salty. Don't get me wrong, most people would prefer to have the 2nd order over the sandwich, but if the execution isn't done right then that meal just isn't enjoyable even though it's "more". Sometimes you just want a sandiwich ya know?
I'll be back in a few months, I'll wait until there is version 0.3 and see how the game has turned out. If it's improved I'll be happy to donate again, and continue to play your work.
Good luck Tribe team.
I'd say within a year. I assure you that any artist who after 12 months did not show even the movement of the finished main character's gait was already fired long ago. But... uh, welcome to patreon.
I tried it out. I think I finally agree with all the people saying they preferred the old style.
Half of the scenes didn't work, just text.
I'm still gonna be checking up on this, but I feel like some shitty late 90's era flash games ran better than this. I am aware it is a demo, just sketchy after 7 months of half ass work.
Probably going to keep an eye on Abelius's project, since it seems like the spiritual successor.
Not a Patreon, so my opinion probably doesn't matter.
Half of the scenes didn't work, just text.
I'm still gonna be checking up on this, but I feel like some shitty late 90's era flash games ran better than this. I am aware it is a demo, just sketchy after 7 months of half ass work.
Probably going to keep an eye on Abelius's project, since it seems like the spiritual successor.
Not a Patreon, so my opinion probably doesn't matter.
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inb4 they start over again and we repeat the last year AGAIN.
Should have just stayed with the old style and improved it.
Should have just stayed with the old style and improved it.
The art in the tech demo is really bad. Things just look really flat. Also, I think the snake thing just looks gross and the animation looks weird which adds to the already gross aspect. Like the snake's skin opens up to reveal some fleshy cone (or cones lol) for Krystal to suck on. It just looks really odd.
The previous 0.8 build was superior in every conceivable way. Sure, it had its flaws, but playing through what it had, you could see the potential and the direction the devs (or dev?) was going for and I was really hopeful to see it develop further. The entire questline with Cenvir insanely good and showed the great potential future questlines might've held for Krystal's development over the course of the game. If that vision of the game is dead then things are looking really bleak.
The previous 0.8 build was superior in every conceivable way. Sure, it had its flaws, but playing through what it had, you could see the potential and the direction the devs (or dev?) was going for and I was really hopeful to see it develop further. The entire questline with Cenvir insanely good and showed the great potential future questlines might've held for Krystal's development over the course of the game. If that vision of the game is dead then things are looking really bleak.
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Personally not a fan of the new 3D, I feel the previous 0.8 version nailed the environment and perspective better than any other LOK game has done. The characters in the demo just feel like flat paper cutouts that are floating in a 3d environment, which was really apparent during the single lewd scene, it just looked really displeasing and ugly, even the old flash game characters felt like their bodies had substance.
I also can't help but feel the game is being taken in a full furry direction away from the humanoid appearances the characters had in the previous version, which I'm not a fan of. I hope we're not gonna be forced to see anatomically correct lizard dicks.
I also can't help but feel the game is being taken in a full furry direction away from the humanoid appearances the characters had in the previous version, which I'm not a fan of. I hope we're not gonna be forced to see anatomically correct lizard dicks.
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Sorry could not resist.
So majority of people here don't like new LOK and especially design of characters. A miracle did not happen, even on this previews screens I was ready that it would not be right for me. I understand even if whole F95 community come to this thread and vote for old design it will change nothing, devs wont back to the original. So I can only wish you good luck, and hope that at least the patreons who voted for these changes are happy now.
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So majority of people here don't like new LOK and especially design of characters. A miracle did not happen, even on this previews screens I was ready that it would not be right for me. I understand even if whole F95 community come to this thread and vote for old design it will change nothing, devs wont back to the original. So I can only wish you good luck, and hope that at least the patreons who voted for these changes are happy now.
Yep. I agree with all the other posts over here. Problem is not the current version, but the idea in general. The 2D characters in 3d world look flat and unreal, the only available sex animation with snake looks wierd (Krystal's jaw opens the same as the lizard's), and it's strange to not have all the main characters walking animations, even at the very, very beggining.
I'm a part of dev team myself, and i can say that in a couple of projects we've already done, the models, animations and pictures always were ready way before the programmer finished his job, and integrated them. But here we have the opposite - a lot of programmer's work and nothing good in visuals. Basic Unity background, standard terrain editor, low-poly models of 3D envoirment. And i dont think you were planning to ever replace and rework them. If Kuja had really drawn, like, 5 pictures and 4 animations so far, considering he had the whole year, and that the art progress never depends from the coding progress, then i dont know why is he still sticking with this project (which obviously doesn't interest him, with this amount of work), or why did you not find the second artist to speed the process up, if for some reason Kuja can't handle more than 10 drawings a year (yes, i know about the constant reworks, still doesnt explain the fact why you still don't have basic animations).
Also, i still do not get the reason to move to the 3D instead of a simpler 2D, who you were trying to impress? You obviously can't handle this amount of work with current staff number.
I'm a part of dev team myself, and i can say that in a couple of projects we've already done, the models, animations and pictures always were ready way before the programmer finished his job, and integrated them. But here we have the opposite - a lot of programmer's work and nothing good in visuals. Basic Unity background, standard terrain editor, low-poly models of 3D envoirment. And i dont think you were planning to ever replace and rework them. If Kuja had really drawn, like, 5 pictures and 4 animations so far, considering he had the whole year, and that the art progress never depends from the coding progress, then i dont know why is he still sticking with this project (which obviously doesn't interest him, with this amount of work), or why did you not find the second artist to speed the process up, if for some reason Kuja can't handle more than 10 drawings a year (yes, i know about the constant reworks, still doesnt explain the fact why you still don't have basic animations).
Also, i still do not get the reason to move to the 3D instead of a simpler 2D, who you were trying to impress? You obviously can't handle this amount of work with current staff number.
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I tend to agree. I can understand those that want to wait and see with this new stuff, and I will be waiting, too. I would have preferred they remade and upgraded the original LOK: Rebirth. That was a killer trailer btw, imagine Krystal getting dicked down with a planetary war going on in the background
See the last few pages of this thread, you will see Abelius and MightyAITroll discussing the previous project. It starts at page 190 or so.