Unity Abandoned Legend of Krystal: Rebirth [v0.8] [LOK Team]

[fuffek]

I'm not saying all people are unhappy, but in my opinion (and if you just take a look around at forums discussing this game) this game went from very good to mediocre. Since it's still a tech demo lots of stuff can still change, but if you're not seeing that a lot of people are not satisifed with the changes made then you're not lurking enough.
It doesn't take a lot of digging to see the majority of people are really not happy with this new LoK game compared to the 0.8 version.

I really don't feel like needing to defending myself nor discussing this topic, I've left the advice I wanted and hope it'll at least be considered a good read or two by the new developers.
I'm just gonna go back to lurking now and see what the future will hold for this project, I hope they will surpise me and many others with an amazing product; but at this point I'm very sceptical.

Im not lurking at all , but I can quess that you read a few comments here and there where some of them were from same person too and you change it into thousands... if it was like you say they would already collapse being left with no patrons

 

[Phanatic]

The last thing I said was that the game looked like a "Paper Mario" and that I liked old krystal's design with stuff from the new, is there anything wrong with that?

As I said before - 10 good criticisms are shadowed by 1 really aggressively-negative, and boy-oh-boy is your reputation far from being bright.
If you keep on giving adequate feedback without calling dev-s different names I see nothing wrong with it. But you should also understand the frequency of your feedback. Having one person saying over and over where the game fails (even if true) at some point will feel like an attempt to start a fire, rather than an actual feedback.

You do you as you wish, just keep in mind what I've told you about the consequences of your comments and make some conclusions. Don't take it the wrong way - I'm not trying to shut you up, I just want to see F95 stop being mentioned in a negative light all the time because of "that one dude that comlpaints all the time".


Recently someone on the discord mentioned that F95 finally posted actually adequate feedback and it was a genuinely happy moment for once, so please keep it up.

 

[MightyAltroll]

If you were giving constructive criticism, but ended up ignored like me, I would suggest to simply stop giving it. What is the point trying to give dog a bone, if dog doesn't want it?
Your criticisms became aggressive and you're seen right now as the Hate King and someone who represents the core audience of F95, which is false, but people make a meme out of it and voila - everyone here is viewed as an aggressive member.

I understand that you care for the game, but developers don't understand it and they can't, because for you - it's a game, for them - it's their lives and income, we are on different levels here.

It's not as if I see you like this, but as what consequences I see you cause on their discord server. In fact, I'm in the same position as you - someone who cared about the game and even tried to invest his own skills and knowledge into it, but whose attempts were ridiculed and thrown away. But unlike you, I just stopped trying doing something they clearly dont care about, knowing that it leads to nothing and I most certainly dont want to contribute to the hate train my aggressive behaviour might cause.
I also feel pretty shitty about being nobody for them, but that's just the way it works - they choose to ignore certain people, nothing we can do about it. But at least let's not worsen the situation by being "that one constantly negative guy" for the sake of all other people on this web-site.
This situation sucks for us, but let's keep our pride and dignity and stay normal human beings despite our position.

We didn't ignore you. Just because we don't go along with your criticism does not mean we did not read it.

 

[Phanatic]

We didn't ignore you. Just because we don't go along with your criticism does not mean we did not read it.

But that's what ignoring means. Whether you read it or not, you knew about the problem, you chose to not aknowledge it, even though I've provided all the references and reasoning behind it, just as I've provided how to fix it, you chose to just go silent and ignore the mistake that you knew was there. If you know there is a problem and you choose to not act upon it - that's ignoring the problem and it so happened ignoring the one who noted about it.
While showing mistake to Kuja, I for some reason talk to the entire chat, trying to proove the error to them, instead of the developer for whom it was originally adressed, just for Kuja to appear for a second and say "Yeah, I don't see it" and then be gone, meanwhile chat is like "yeah, there is actually a mistake". To all mistakes then getting the same excuse "Well, Oughta helped us, so it must be right", even though I literally show you the problem with references.

When I released my comic I've asked for criticisms and I've gotten a shit ton of them. But they are overwhelming and as a solo artist I can't act upon them, so I chose to ignore them willingly, even though they are there - they are not gone. Same as you.
But unlike you, I atleast aknowldeged them - you haven't given me even that satisfaction as to know that you agree that there is a mistake, always going with bs excuses.

 

[Ahamkara's Wish]

Jesus, pages on pages of whinging. I'm just here looking for guides.

 

[lollapoza]

Jesus, pages on pages of whinging. I'm just here looking for guides.

Come back in a couple of years.

 

[chopolander]

Or whinging for a guide
Phantas, don't strain yourself, you've said it all before.

 

[Ahamkara's Wish]

Or whinging for a guide

First time I'm actually posting in this thread, so I dunno if the term 'Whinging' fits the definition :V

 

[MrCrazy123]

I'm commander Shepard and this is my favorite thread on the citadel.

 

[FireSauner0]

While showing mistake to Kuja, I for some reason talk to the entire chat, trying to proove the error to them, instead of the developer for whom it was originally adressed, just for Kuja to appear for a second and say "Yeah, I don't see it" and then be gone, meanwhile chat is like "yeah, there is actually a mistake". To all mistakes then getting the same excuse "Well, Oughta helped us, so it must be right", even though I literally show you the problem with references.

As soon as I read your recent replies in this thread, my brain went: ,,wouldn't it be a funny "crossover episode" if Phantas on F95 and the guy I remember from the Discord chat (weeks ago so didn't remember their name) who demonstrated why K's ass looked flat ware the same person?". I immediately went searching on Discord and now that it's confirmed, well, it's actually sad.

I remember thinking the shading was off as soon as I saw the new art. You posted images as proof while most people had been blaming the shape, etc. before that.

Reading through that again... I can totally see myself infuriated in your shoes in that situation

 

[Sharun]

Can you like give us some source of your info with all those thousand fans that you know about with such detail, like post all the names that supported and dropped im quite curious of your information source feels like youre from CIA or something. Unless its something you just made in your mind to seem like you know all fans and people that support them.

I think thats how those uhmm gossip ? or what was the word for it ? when someone tell something that is not true and people believe it and it spreads like wild fire.

You find us all over in this thread. Some loud, some silent, some in between. Its impossible to give exact numbers, no discussion. But in regarding that not all infos are available on patreon regarding monthly income (i remember the reasons for the change to only show patreons, and argued with pro and contra) or others details i find it as also gutty to ask for them. It would interest me to know if there are others like me that dropped out of bloodbound when the revamp was announced, or reduced their monthly help or how many new ones came and replaced those who left for example. I can understand that im not entitled to know about these numbers, im not even sure if Patreon provides such detailed infos, but without someone providing me these stats i can only talk about a feeling based on what i got to see and read. So i think Sir Nibbles made nothing wrong in his wording. And again, we exist - ex patreons who lurked in here for years and decided to finally voice our opinions, i posted here after 2 or 3 years having an account the first time. I believe that i dont have posted anything elsewhere on this site.


Phantas Thank you for you trying to improve via good feedback, but respect for doing it on their discord. Im there since a while after an argument with MightyAltroll here, and seeing some discussions and behaviour there i really fail to understand why f95 has such a reputation, even taking all of Chopos really bad ones into account. But the Devs are there on a neutral base, thats worth mentioning

 

[fuffek]

Its impossible to give exact numbers, no discussion.

My point, dont say stuff if you dont have any information about it like in this case says about thousand of people when he doesnt actually know the exact numbers and its just his thought, because other people read such stuff and they think what they say is actually true and they repeat same stuff even if its not true and was lets say for example it was actually 10 people not thousands.

Dont give random numbers , say stuff like its already confirmed information about something. People read such things dont check if its confirmed and they just repeat such stuff starting/continuing drama like its true even though it isnt.

Its the most common thing that happens around politics, all the lies , propagandas etc.

 

[Sharun]

My point, dont say stuff if you dont have any information about it like in this case says about thousand of people when he doesnt actually know the exact numbers and its just his thought, because other people read such stuff and they think what they say is actually true and they repeat same stuff even if its not true and was lets say for example it was actually 10 people not thousands.

Dont give random numbers , say stuff like its already confirmed information about something. People read such things dont check if its confirmed and they just repeat such stuff starting/continuing drama like its true even though it isnt.

Its the most common thing that happens around politics, all the lies , propagandas etc.

Another thing is cherry picking, which i would accuse you by tacking this one sentence ^^ And dont forget that people who dont check anything are part to blame, especially in times like this where everybody with a social media account is an expert. Otherwise im with you on those subjects.

But again, those who could provide those numbers will possibly not do it, because they are in no way obligated to do so. However, this means that his number, and also yours, is hypothecical - no one is wrong or right until proven otherwise. I for myself would go with 100-300 maybe, but just like the both of you im making that number up. Maybe none of us is right. My direction to you was intended to not diminish "us" because since the reboot im no longer on board as patreon (and seeing the first result for me i was right)

 

[bas]

Please keep the discussion about the game and not each other.

 

[Ion.TemUS]

can game be linear 2d byt naughty stuff loaded in 2,5 d? like darkest dungeon ( similar). i dont know if its easear than openworld.

I really like the comparison. I said Mark of the Ninja earlier. But really, Darkest Dungeon is a great example too. The game is absolutely beautiful. And it has a paper-y style. But since the environments are 2D it works.

 

[MightyAltroll]

I really like the comparison. I said Mark of the Ninja earlier. But really, Darkest Dungeon is a great example too. The game is absolutely beautiful. And it has a paper-y style. But since the environments are 2D it works.

We're going to try a number of things, worst case scenario we go back to side-scroller style, which won't be too hard to do. But we'd like to keep the more 2.5D feel, so we want to experiment with ways we can do that. Kuja and Compound are currently creating a little test environment where we can try out different artistic styles with the environment to make it blend/pop with the 2D nature of the characters.

 

[Detective Cancer]

After playing the November demo I can finally say with full confidence that I can put my hopes back on this project on full blast. The new scope of the game, the new playstyle, all the possibilities, and the options the player gets really ramp up the gameplay in a way I seldom see in porn games. I'll be the first to admit I've been pretty hard on this game, there's been a lot of ups and downs over the years and what it really boiled down to was cynicism and misplaced bitterness as the Krystal curse seemed to seep into another promising title. With that said however, those fears have been laid to rest as my newly founded confidence in what this game is and will soon become have been bolstered massively by the November demo. It's a breath of fresh air to see ambition come to fruition in a title containing my favourite furry idol Krystal herself. The innovative design really brings a new spark to a dying flame and I look forward to supporting this project in its entirety in the coming weeks with boundless optimism. Keep up the good work, boys.

I really liked that launcher.

 

[Ion.TemUS]

Is this what they call a "payed review"?
Have we played the same game?

Joking aside, while I appreciate positivity in here the text reads completely out of sync of the stuff Ive seen. First of all, what the hell are you talking about when you write "November demo"? Did they have a demo that I wasn't aware of? The only demo I have played was the recent one, and it's June/July not November.

Maybe Im missing something here.....

 

[imilluc]

I was really on edge about supporting this game once more.. this demo steered me away from it.
for this preview demo, it just like a completely different game, albeit that's probably what the devs are going for.
While it, in my opinion it wasn't worth the looong wait, I'll give the next few versions a shot, but with my expectations even lower. Depending on how long each update takes, how much content it brings, and the mechanics it introduces, it might turn down a lot of people.
I know criticizing the game here doesn't get taken seriously, but the discord server is just a positivity circlejerk that I don't even know which channel to say this stuff in without fear of getting bombarded.
This isn't the game we downloaded for the first time. It's not what we asked for, and what some of us supported. It's a completely different one. And that's okay. It could be a different game that we also like. Just not the same one, and that's a shame.
I hope the next few updates really do impress. I know I'm just one less patreon who stopped supporting months ago, but don't forget that a lot of us just lurk and don't really comment despite supporting the game.

 

[SonicExTc]

Ah, it's shut down again aye? Oh boy oh boy, well cya in couple years