Unity Abandoned Legend of Krystal: Rebirth [v0.8] [LOK Team]

[dragonsix6969]

"Rather slow on updates"? There were updates?

forget about "The Tribe Devs" vlad traded this masterpiece for money milking

 

[Gierka]

Updates on their discord that is. Maybe not anything visual...well, some visual. Not a whole lot tho. It's a bit of a shitshow to be honest, but I'm not going into that discussion again.

I've seen the last few pages of that thread and, oh, boi, if that ain't a circus, then I don't know what is.

But then I gave it a thought and I realized it hasn't really changed since the first pre-alpha-chicken-beta edition when I last checked it, since the main dev still makes novel-worth walls of texts as responses that could easily take as long as several hours to write.

Well, I guess Krystal games were never meant to get past those flash games from early 2010s and derivatives that spawned from that framework.

 

[Liero]

I've seen the last few pages of that thread and, oh, boi, if that ain't a circus, then I don't know what is.

But then I gave it a thought and I realized it hasn't really changed since the first pre-alpha-chicken-beta edition when I last checked it, since the main dev still makes novel-worth walls of texts as responses that could easily take as long as several hours to write.

Well, I guess Krystal games were never meant to get past those flash games from early 2010s and derivatives that spawned from that framework.

What I find most sad about this whole change, is that the new writer for this project, just HAD to have a overarching story and complicate it more than necessary.

The story of Krystal crashing on a planet with no communication with her command ship, hunting a fox demon that causes havoc was for me at least, good enough.

I can understand wanting to create more, but sometimes simplicity is good for a first time project.

 

[Gierka]

(...)

Some believe the porn is just a bonus.

Sometimes that may even be true, but that's only because things outside porn are taken very light-heartedly and end up, for example, becoming a great comedic experience, more by accident than design.

 

[ehm]

Abelius I don't know what happened between you and kuja, but I think your writing and kuja's drawings made this game so popular. I wish there will be a time that you will work together in future.

 

[Synthenator]

Just to inform you guys. I'm planning to release my new game on Sep 1st, if the chronogram I've made is near accurate, that is. It's gonna be a crazy summer.

No furries, but you can count on my previous dev style, and a female protagonist being slowly corrupted.

Honestly, I never thought that I would have to write on the forum, but this time I just can't stand aside. Abelius, I am very glad to hear about your new game, because your work on the school game looked very convincing and good. It doesn't matter how long it takes, but it would be great to see another piece of your work.

 

[ehm]

I'm afraid his ego made that impossible.

But I'm positive you'll find my new artist more than adequate.

Abelius kuja027 I already knew that it is impossible, but you both don't aware of each other's brilliance.
After playing so many games in here; I am very positive that Kuja's drawings are near to the level of EvaKiss or DrPinkCake.
Also, in terms of programming and schedule arranging, I think you are the one of the best developer in f95zone.
If I were Kuja, I would try to do renpy games like Good Girls gone bad. Less mechanics, less complex environments, simple renpy games, where the main focus are on drawings and writings.
If I were you, actually you have advantage, only a good drawer is more than enough for you. You are one man team tbh.
Anyway, it still makes me sad that you part ways, together you guys would be one of the best developer team in this forum.
I hope you both will be successful in the future.

 

[dragonsix6969]

Abelius kuja027 I already knew that it is impossible, but you both don't aware of each other's brilliance.
After playing so many games in here; I am very positive that Kuja's drawings are near to the level of EvaKiss or DrPinkCake.
Also, in terms of programming and schedule arranging, I think you are the one of the best developer in f95zone.
If I were Kuja, I would try to do renpy games like Good Girls gone bad. Less mechanics, less complex environments, simple renpy games, where the main focus are on drawings and writings.
If I were you, actually you have advantage, only a good drawer is more than enough for you. You are one man team tbh.
Anyway, it still makes me sad that you part ways, together you guys would be one of the best developer team in this forum.
I hope you both will be successful in the future.

i think they can make familiar furry game but another fox girl with lizards (if at all possible )

 

[magfonte]

Just to inform you guys. I'm planning to release my new game on Sep 1st, if the chronogram I've made is near accurate, that is. It's gonna be a crazy summer.

No furries, but you can count on my previous dev style, and a female protagonist being slowly corrupted.

we look forward to it
the new "lokr" looks too meeh

 

[MyLittleTrolly]

Well, just today my landlord gave me the "great" news that they're not renewing our house lease. And we'll need to leave in five weeks.

That wouldn't be a problem if not for the tiny detail that I don't have an income now, only my last savings. So nobody is going to rent me shit.

Just another consequence of that great artist with a greater ego, backstabbing me two years ago. Even now I'm suffering from his whims.

So I'll sooner burn in hell before working with him again, thanks.

And what have you been doing these two years, Abelius? Even though you were betrayed - such a smart person like you must have had a plan B, right?

No, I am not accusing you of anything in particular, but you are not 20 years old, but 45 years old, and you are clearly not a stupid person. Didn't you manage to predict in 2 years that such a situation might happen?

With all due respect - in your own words - you need to feed two children. So why aren't you working multiple jobs all this time?

 

[D4n0w4r]

And what have you been doing these two years, Abelius? Even though you were betrayed - such a smart person like you must have had a plan B, right?

No, I am not accusing you of anything in particular, but you are not 20 years old, but 45 years old, and you are clearly not a stupid person. Didn't you manage to predict in 2 years that such a situation might happen?

With all due respect - in your own words - you need to feed two children. So why aren't you working multiple jobs all this time?

I guess that freelance work didn't pan out

 

[MyLittleTrolly]

I've been trying to produce a game that was close to release, just before Kuja betrayed me *again*.

I've been working my ass off to improve my skills and juggled with my savings to make them last until now.

I had the hope that I could slowly get a decent income that could sustain us for yet another year of working my ass off.

Multiple jobs, you say? I've been working multiple jobs since I started this thing, for years ago. Animator, writer, designer, coder, etc. I've been working every day of the week since then, for far more hours than any normal company would ask from me.

Could I've been more paranoid to predict every single time people have fucked me over? Yes.

But are you seriously blaming on me that?

Yes, when you worked on the LOK game with Kuja, you really did work for an small army. But I was referring to the period when you stopped working with Kuja.

I repeat - two years have passed, during this time it would have been possible not only to recover from the betrayal, but also to properly prepare for work on your future project.

And you, two years later, blame Kuja for the fact that something does not work out for you again, and right now, at the present time.

They have not taken part in your life for a long time (2 YEARS), it would be high time to take the whole situation under full responsibility into your own hands.

And no, I am not your hater, I am rather a representative of the neutral side, since I (and I think and not only *I*) - got a little tired of all this drama, and I would rather like to see some results of work.

 

[dragonsix6969]

I think, it seems to me that you two need to make up, maybe not now. later

 

[Sharun]

Yes, when you worked on the LOK game with Kuja, you really did work for an small army. But I was referring to the period when you stopped working with Kuja.

I repeat - two years have passed, during this time it would have been possible not only to recover from the betrayal, but also to properly prepare for work on your future project.

And you, two years later, blame Kuja for the fact that something does not work out for you again, and right now, at the present time.

They have not taken part in your life for a long time (2 YEARS), it would be high time to take the whole situation under full responsibility into your own hands.

And no, I am not your hater, I am rather a representative of the neutral side, since I (and I think and not only *I*) - got a little tired of all this drama, and I would rather like to see some results of work.

I may be wrong, but they both worked again after that, and hes reffering to that situation

 

[dragonsix6969]

damn everything is so confusing,
kuja027 why did you do that?

 

[MyLittleTrolly]

This.

It would be long to explain it 100% detailed, but 6-7 months after he evicted me from the project, he told me "But I never wanted to stop working with you!". And I was desperate to have an artist for my next project, so I took the bait.

A year after (this Feb), I bring up the contract thing and he tells me "I'll take my art with me if I want to leave at any moment." I said "no way", and he left me again with nothing.

Now I'm with another artist which is a good friend, my first option four years ago, actually, but he wasn't available at the time. We've signed a contract regardless, and I'm positive I'll be able to focus on work, instead of people's whims and unstable emotions and egos.

So, MyLittleTrolly I agree two years it's a lot of time, but no game can be released without graphics, right? And my friend happens to have a semi-regular teaching job, so he can't spend a full working days drawing for me. That might change if the project is successful and it becomes our main income source, but for now the best we can do is to aim at Sep. for a decent sized first release.


From what I've seen from your post, I know you aren't taking sides, yes. I'm not asking you to do so.

But the thing is, he really fucked up my life overnight. So it stings a bit if you tell me I *should* have get over it already, just because you're tired of seeing how I vent off about it sometimes.

And I didn't do it nearly as much as I should have in these to years. I've only counted around 2-3 times that I went at it with Vlad, and only now I'm actually blaming Kuja for what he did, that I've been hiding from everyone because he was "helping" me.

So, now that he fucked me over a second time (because it seems I'm not paranoid enough) it's only fair if I tell people what I think about them.

It's funny, because one of Vlad's arguments is that I'm a socially incompetent individual, while at the same time they didn't have any ethical problems at all, in doing what they did, without asking anybody about it. Nor me (to find a common ground), nor the patrons (to convince them about a reboot). They only wanted to remove me, because I was an obstacle to their own egos and "vision".

The irony...

Yes, I agree that not the most pleasant story happened to you, but alas, this is life, and it so happens that there are cases that can unsettle anyone, but life goes on and as long as you are alive - you are able to change a lot.

However, the creating games is, among other things, a business fraught with risk, and although all developers want their game to be successful - in most cases - it all ends in failure.

And for this is always need to have a backup plan. At least - regular work (if there is no large cash savings, and judging by one of your previous posts - you have problems with this, and there is no regular work as well...), in case everything does not go according to plan, and only when the game will shows successful results and gathers a good fan base, it will be possible to give up regular work and completely devote oneself to working on the game.

And I understand that you have high hopes for your future game... But what will you do if everything does not go according to the main plan? ...
What if people will not like that you decided not to use furry characters in your game (A furries, by the way - the one of those who donate the most)?
What if people just don't like your new game?
What if the donation from the game will be minimal, at least for the first year or even two?...

There should be countermeasures for all these possible situations, otherwise, the story may not have the best ending...

 

[MyLittleTrolly]

Doing this kind of multiple role dev is nowhere compatible with a full time job, I'm afraid.

So, my backup plan is that I'll look for a job this September, regardless of how well the release goes. I was going to do it back in February, but when my friend said yes, I wanted to try a last time at full steam.

Then, with an engine and a story going on, I might launch updates every 2-3 months, and also have a 9-5 job.

Btw, my landlord agreed to renew the lease at the end. But it was an scary episode for sure.

Understandable. And now, this really sounds like a plan that can be implemented successfully, even if something goes wrong.

It remains only to wish you good luck with your goal.

Who knows, maybe you will create something that will surpass the success of your former colleagues (Yes, their success was achieved with your great participation, but nevertheless)... But, time will tell...

 

[dragonsix6969]

Abelius
if this future project is successful, you can go back to krystal or another fox girl with a similar art kuja artist

 

[Shirafune]

Ye I wish kuja and you stuck with this project instead of the remake, meh

 

[chopolander]

F95 won't be the same without Krystal... We'll have to settle for painting a khajiit in blue to remedy the damage.