Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.41.0] [Selebus]

[Comiies]

Well... that was an update... and has horrible as it was, i've got to give Selly some chops for that scene, he captured the vacant disassociation pretty damn well... but i really can't fathom how this is the green path at this point in the game, i can't see how this could ever develop things well with Io and it's going to come out to Uta eventually too, she's already noticing her distance... the choice to leave makes far more narrative sense to the point where it's almost like Selly changed his mind and has decided against the green path being the 'true' path for his story... fixing Io with sex sounds like a bullshit fantasy fix for a child rape victim, and doesn't fit with the way Selly has treated the topic in the past, if Io does actually improve going down this path it's going to feel contrived and hollow...

Exactly my thoughts.Honestly i dont understand why NOT having sex with Io isnt the correct way to progress her storyline.Its as Akira said.Io doesnt want to have sex,she is allowing him to do so.There is no fucking way that Io,a victim of so much abuse only comparable to Akira,will improve after we had sex with her.This aint a Sana situation where,her deviant side was already there and we just awakened it a bit earlier.We are talking about a person as broken as Akira.

Im not angry or anything,just i really REALLY want to see how this proceeds.Like how will Akira having sex with Io make her better.Or has Sel chosen to abandon her from the very beginning?

 

[Bingoogus]

There isn't really a "right" choice. You can make the choices you want, you'll reach the ending anyhow. You might not see some things, but, well, there's a strong argument to be made that some things you don't want to see.

The thing is though is that there really is a 'right' choice based on the information we have at hand, until the game is complete we can't know 100% but we've been punished before for missed scenes and the game makes a point multiple times about how our choices are just illusions and don't matter and the main one is simply that it's missed content, missing content, not different content, Selly doesn't split the game for A and B, there's just A or nothing, at most a comment on how we fucked up not choosing A. The only intelligent option for any player at this point in the game's development is to always assume the green path is the intended path until some evidence comes along to challenge that, and this latest Io scene is the first and only potential indicator for that possibility we have so far and as for making anything of it... we just have to wait and see.

 

[AgumenticR]

Exactly my thoughts.Honestly i dont understand why NOT having sex with Io isnt the correct way to progress her storyline.Its as Akira said.Io doesnt want to have sex,she is allowing him to do so.There is no fucking way that Io,a victim of so much abuse only comparable to Akira,will improve after we had sex with her.This aint a Sana situation where,her deviant side was already there and we just awakened it a bit earlier.We are talking about a person as broken as Akira.

Im not angry or anything,just i really REALLY want to see how this proceeds.Like how will Akira having sex with Io make her better.Or has Sel chosen to abandon her from the very beginning?

I have no idea why do people think this is a game about making people better.

 

[Comiies]

I have no idea why do people think this is a game about making people better.

Cause of the pure routes that each girl will eventually get.Also this is a story about broken people licking each others wounds and becoming better(Or more "Whole" if you want to be pretentious).Its a story about broken people suffering and Akira is at the center.As multiple girls have said in the past Akira has helped tremendously so now its time for them to help him(The uta event captured that perfectly tbh(Maybe my fav event in this update-Except like the obv lore relevant Yasu stuff i mean-).

 

[FrostHunt]

The worst part about

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is that you get a choice, YOU made the decision and not like

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where we have no input on it

 

[Pedro4545454]

Bro, this second event of Io, in my opinion, doesn't make any narrative sense because how the hell is her story going to develop now? In my opinion, it would make a lot more sense to leave there than for this to happen, especially knowing her trauma, it doesn't make sense, Selly thinks you can cure a victim of sexual abuse with sex. This event only served to screw Io and Akira's heads even more and make many more people stop wanting 100% of the game. There's a quote from Akira and Maya that says, “Sometimes forcing people to do things they're not comfortable with is the best way to get them forward.” BUT THIS DOESN'T WORK FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LIKE IO, so it doesn't make any sense, I swear I'm trying to understand Selly, but it seems like he got lost in this part because if he tries to make Io start liking sex just for the sake of it , it's going to be the most pointless thing in the world, so I'm still trying to understand what crazy plan Selly is trying to make for Io's story because what he did in this event doesn't make sense for things to progress in the future

 

[Bingoogus]

I have no idea why do people think this is a game about making people better.

Not sure that's what has everyone hung up, it's more that the game hasn't exactly been about making them worse, we haven't reached the dark part of the game supposedly, this is still the harem phase, if we were in the dark phase and this scene popped up i don't think anyone would be struggling with it in a narrative sense.

 

[Nadekai]

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[JelF547]

I am a bit bored of questions, so I made full chapter 4 walkthrough (0.41). I promise to keep this post updated at least until chapter ends

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Updated my miniguide for 0.41. You are well cum welcome

 

[Pedro4545454]

Not sure that's what has everyone hung up, it's more that the game hasn't exactly been about making them worse, we haven't reached the dark part of the game supposedly, this is still the harem phase, if we were in the dark phase and this scene popped up i don't think anyone would be struggling with it in a narrative sense.

YES, if this were the Dark Beauty route, it makes narrative sense, but this scene doesn't make sense now! Because of current events it doesn't make sense that this scene would happen now, it seems like it was done just to shock people and make us want to give up 100%

 

[AgumenticR]

Also this is a story about broken people licking each others wounds and becoming better

Wow, I 100% disagree this is what the story is about. Especially in regards to Akira, whose half-hearted attempts to "get better" were brutally executed along with Maya.

But also, if you think you will not like how the story will develop after that choice then... don't make it??? Like, damn, no one is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to play 100%, I hope. You'll miss the developments that will happen as the result of it, but if you don't want them, then it's not a punishment?

 

[barglenarglezous]

Well... that was an update... and has horrible as it was, i've got to give Selly some chops for that scene, he captured the vacant disassociation pretty damn well... but i really can't fathom how this is the green path at this point in the game, i can't see how this could ever develop things well with Io and it's going to come out to Uta eventually too, she's already noticing her distance... the choice to leave makes far more narrative sense to the point where it's almost like Selly changed his mind and has decided against the green path being the 'true' path for his story... fixing Io with sex sounds like a bullshit fantasy fix for a child rape victim, and doesn't fit with the way Selly has treated the topic in the past, if Io does actually improve going down this path it's going to feel contrived and hollow...

Nah, her arc's gonna get darker. That shit happened in her safest space, all her tools, the smells, they're all going to remind her of that moment. He took everything she had left in that moment.

We watched the start of a death spiral today.

 

[Moonflare]

Well... that was an update... and has horrible as it was, i've got to give Selly some chops for that scene, he captured the vacant disassociation pretty damn well... but i really can't fathom how this is the green path at this point in the game, i can't see how this could ever develop things well with Io and it's going to come out to Uta eventually too, she's already noticing her distance... the choice to leave makes far more narrative sense to the point where it's almost like Selly changed his mind and has decided against the green path being the 'true' path for his story... fixing Io with sex sounds like a bullshit fantasy fix for a child rape victim, and doesn't fit with the way Selly has treated the topic in the past, if Io does actually improve going down this path it's going to feel contrived and hollow...

I agree with you, that's the big issue. Io can't really be changed by this either way because they'd be way too different narrative paths.

Well, I said this before, but there is no choice in LiL. There is only: you either read the story Selebus wants to tell, or you read a poorly made version of it where things make less sense. I missed the event after seeing it once too, I get it, that's just the reaction any sane human being would have there. But that's just a fantasy at the end of the day.

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I personally think that both outcomes have great potential, but it is glaringly obvious that having a choice here will cheapen the Io narrative. I understand why Selebus does this (to force player reflection), and I continue not agreeing that the damage the story takes is worth it.

 

[ElaineZol]

I have no idea why do people think this is a game about making people better.

I'm pretty sure that's not what is going on, it's more about the narrative of the story and how it might put holes into it. Just before the event with Io, you are with Yasu talking about how you must swim and keep doing the same that you were trying to avoid and then you are thrown into a situation where it makes you question whether that makes sense in a narrative way, I mean, most of this chapter has been about how he wants to be better and now you go and dick the one person who clearly doesn't want anything to do with it.

And as Bingoogus said before, Sel is a stubborn person who -despite giving you choices- has a one path road you are meant to follow, and we have no clear evidence to disprove that so far. This choice is the one that will give more impactful indication as to whether or not following the green path is actually needed or not IMO.

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

To be honest I am yet to play the last 3 or 4 updates prior to this due to work and other commitments but seeing what some have said regarding events in this latest update and how they feel incongruous with the narritive thus far, is it not possible that the memories/consequences of this event could be... deleted (for want of a better term) at the next reset anyway?

I feel like I remember there being precedent for that earlier in the story.

 

[AgumenticR]

Stepping back from Io for a moment, I gotta say, damn, Rin is such a homie. I kind of hoped her discovering nudes would lead to something like this, but it was such a nice combination of extremely awkward and yet sweet.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Not sure that's what has everyone hung up, it's more that the game hasn't exactly been about making them worse, we haven't reached the dark part of the game supposedly, this is still the harem phase, if we were in the dark phase and this scene popped up i don't think anyone would be struggling with it in a narrative sense.

Has Sel flat-out said we're not in the Dark phase yet? Or are people still insisting we're still in the harem phase because there are still girls he hasn't fucked yet? Because that was an asinine argument when it was first put forward, and it's just as asinine now.

It's been pretty evident since Halloween that we're on a downhill slide, thematically, so pushing Io onto a death spiral doesn't feel out of place at all.

 

[JelF547]

The thing is though is that there really is a 'right' choice based on the information we have at hand, until the game is complete we can't know 100% but we've been punished before for missed scenes and the game makes a point multiple times about how our choices are just illusions and don't matter and the main one is simply that it's missed content, missing content, not different content, Selly doesn't split the game for A and B, there's just A or nothing, at most a comment on how we fucked up not choosing A. The only intelligent option for any player at this point in the game's development is to always assume the green path is the intended path until some evidence comes along to challenge that, and this latest Io scene is the first and only potential indicator for that possibility we have so far and as for making anything of it... we just have to wait and see.

Selebus told once that green path is about always taking worst possible decisions. As far as it likely obviously not correct, it is substantional.

Also, I am feeling a bit lonely with my decision to not rape Io. I made it more out of curiosity though, I expected that there is no actual choise at all

 

[AgumenticR]

Has Sel flat-out said we're not in the Dark phase yet? Or are people still insisting we're still in the harem phase because there are still girls he hasn't fucked yet? Because that was an asinine argument when it was first put forward, and it's just as asinine now.

It's been pretty evident since Halloween that we're on a downhill slide, thematically, so pushing Io onto a death spiral doesn't feel out of place at all.

The Dark-Dark route starts after Chapter 5 by the recentish word of Sel.

 

[Bingoogus]

Selebus told once that green path is about always taking worst possible decisions. As far as it likely obviously not correct, it is substantional.

Well that can't be true, being a bad homie causes you to miss scenes and i'd find it very easy to argue being a bad homie is the worst choice to make.