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So ive been on your Discord... and i know sometimes its hard to deal with other human beings. But when im looking over posts made there it kinda gives me a kindergarden vibe. Different opinions and stuff happen... but there are some rough edges to how they convey stuff.
I mean its harder to have a conversation here given how a forum works compared to Discord. But overall this thread is a much nicer place besides some aberrations.
I started this to really not sound like a rant about your Discord... but as im writing this it (your DC) goes all boom again :LOL: .
Maybe im just a person who takes those extra 5 minutes to think about his own writings which does not work that well on Discord... who knows.
Id like your opinion on this out of curiosity but i get if you wouldnt speak bad about your own Discord.
Though there are always pm's.
The game has a very active community with a lot of very vocal people in it. Like any community, there are going to be some immature people in there. But I see no need for censoring or monitoring discussions of any matter and, so long as people abide by the rules and don't do anything stupid or illegal, I think they should be able to talk and discuss or argue however they want.

I have no right to tell people what they can and can not say. If people want to use their free speech to be immature, they can do that. I'm extremely happy with the amount of moderation there as well as the strictly enforced zero tolerance policies on inappropriate topics. But I'm not here to babysit a Discord server and tell them how they should be properly structuring internal debates, I'm here to make a game.

Edit: That community has become a very special place to a lot of people. It's somewhere that many people who haven't been able to fit in elsewhere before can now finally feel at home. And I'm glad I was able to create a community with such a diverse background of people who yes, at times, can become a little rambunctious- but are overwhelmingly accepting of not only me but of anyone who clicks on the meat. Hell, those people took the time to make me an entire fucking Christmas card and podcast episodes about how they've found a place they're excited to check in on every day or every hour. And I felt that I needed to say that because I do love that server and I don't think that love came across in my first two paragraphs.
 
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alex2011

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Sure, it's certainly possible. But I think it would have to be a truly fundamental overhaul of the code to have any real effect on the mod (I don't think the tracker overhaul would have really impacted it, for example).
Indeed

so say i'm going into this blind, how much time can i spend in this and how frustrated am i going to get without a walkthrough. cause sadly forcing myself to play some of the games on here is a lesson in frustration if you dont have a guide. Black souls is an amazing game but the number of hints towards your "good" ending is miniscule at best, certain characters or items require knowledge i'm not sure how people even found sometimes.
You'll be spending a lot of time, I think Selebus said around 30 hours, even without getting stuck and frustration is dependent on how open you are to every girl having at least some level of work go into them on your end. One of the most common, but not the most common, reasons for getting stuck is people thinking they can get away with being selective, but that's not how general routes typically work and this route is a general route in VN terms. Another is the puzzles, if you don't pay very specific attention to the words on the screen, you WILL forget an important piece of information and you WILL get stuck. Always give the dialogue top priority and always write things down that seem like they might be important or even if they are just random tidbits of information, random tidbits are usually deceptively important. I would most definitely suggest not using any help resource except as a last resort for maximum enjoyment, but you do you.

I love this game. It's the only thing I have ever given money to, but that I am not going to lie is my 2 big gripes about the game. That and how little time flashing messages are presented so that it is extremely EXTREMELY difficult to pause the screen to see and decipher, usually hex. I just want like .5 seconds per slide! My eyes would thank you!

Still favorite game on the site. It isn't even a porn game, it's just good. Honestly I don't give 2 shits about the porn all I want is to unwrap Mayas lore. I honestly love this game so much that when I find more free time I am going to replay it trying to get the 1 missing scene from my 1st playthrough, with a pen and paper to note every god damn bit of symbolism and messages to make a final theory.

I already have a pretty good one, just want to have in text proof of my reasoning.
I mean, it wouldn't make sense not to lie because the character you play as obviously doesn't agree with the sentiment you do. He's going to do anything it takes to get each girl to drop their guard and let him have them even if it means a lie. As for the messages, read one word at a time and continually repeat using rollback until you get the whole message, that's what I do and it does work.
 

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I'm starting to get the feeling this is less forgetting memories and more repressing them, which is known to happen under extremely traumatic circumstances as memory repression is a natural defense mechanism against such things. That event would count as such a trauma, so it fits as an excellent candidate for repression of memories as do several of the other events seemingly reset. The resets may not be resets at all, but instead the people involved are subconsciously locking the memories of those events away deep in their minds.


I replayed it, thank you for this gift of an event tracker replay system Selebus, and yeah, she gets angry at someone other than him, but doesn't explode until she sees him, you're right.


Keep in mind that an event may not just be stat locked, needing a certain level of stats on that girl, but may need one or more events from other girls or certain stat levels on other girls. The most likely culprit to anyone getting stuck is someone in the side girls category being a requirement, there seems to be a misconception that side girls are optional, they aren't, they are only side girls in that they are not part of the main cast and only a few exceptions exist to all girls being required to some extent in either category, or an event in the 'happy' scenes category not being completed.


This misconception will endure for as long as the game is on this site, I'm afraid. The entire site has a misconception about it being a porn site specifically, which is why we see people in 'no sexual content' tagged threads complaining that the game shouldn't even be here.



Yeah, that's way too black and white. It's more like a full spectrum of porn content amount.


That is, of course, assuming a major overhaul doesn't occur under the hood. I've seen that happen several times in other games and any mod made for the game in those cases broke with those changes, severely. I'm aware not aware of any plans in the 0.16.0 cycle, that's just something to keep in mind. Selebus has made a couple of major changes that ultimately had to result in reduced content additions. Example, the tracker overhaul might be the biggest thing that could have broken your mod in particular due to how it changed things, but since your mod came after, it wasn't an issue.



I honestly think of this game more like the "Game of Thrones" of adult games, not so much porn as mature content, like an R rated movie. There's just not enough focus on the 10% of sex content to call it pornographic and the only reason I can see that makes sense is the common misconception being on this site entails, that all games here are supposed to be pornographic, which is totally untrue and the reason for the no sexual content tag.



Understandable considering it has nothing to do with them except being influenced by the same country that influenced theirs in 1945. I'm also pretty sure ours is one of only a few with a right to silence and not many of those that do have it in their constitution as an amendment or even at all, but instead as a separate law. Japan is one of those few that has this right within their constitution, US influence I'm sure, though not bad influence in this case, but it is not an amendment. For reference it is section 37-3 of the Japanese constitution.


Adult =/= porn. Just because something is adult doesn't make it porn, though the reverse is inherently untrue. Example, Game of Thrones, I would definitely not show that to anyone not considered a legal adult, but it is in no way porn.


Sadly, yes. This is why I carry a copy on me at all times, technically two as I carry one electronic copy and one physical copy for reference in case a constitutional argument arises or one of my rights is threatened.



I mean technically porn has to be inherently designed to be sexually focused to be considered as such, LiL is not inherently designed to be sexually focused.


As much as I hate to admit it, yeah, it was just a porn game to me back before the writing really got to me as well. Then I saw how good it really is and how much of a focus the game itself has over the sexual elements.


Same, I could even chip in myself. I could get some actual art out in a few months after I bring my drawing skills back up after years of no use and I could get some Koikatsu renders out fairly quickly if they're simple enough. I've already hinted at it, this was a long time ago back when I was a brand new patron and the character assets were available as a subscriber perk, but I have an active project involving two of the girls who were involved in some fairly major events, one of which, not too long ago, got her cherry popped. I did start this project, but after the issue that caused the revocation of the character card subscriber perk, I was and still am a bit wary of going too far and resolved not to release it. I don't want to do anything Selebus doesn't want us to, so I won't release it if I can't be certain he's okay with it. It just wouldn't be right and it would make me feel terrible just on the chance of doing something against his wishes.


Nah, that's an issue in other games because the developers don't pace themselves and either burn out or get sloppy in order to rush the content. Selebus paces himself specifically to avoid burning out and doesn't rush any character added to the game. Also, if you think it's too much now, there are still two main girls to be added plus a whole bunch of empty side girl slots still left blank. This is a Denpa game, a genre known for negative endings, so don't get your hopes up for even a glimmer of optimism. Think of "Doki Doki Literature Club" as an example. As far as redundancies, I do't see any. The only thing I see is some characters aren't as developed, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Another issue some developers have with games with a large cast is that they spread the focus over too many at once and don't focus on a few at a time to develop the story of the few in each update. Selebus does the opposite, focusing on a few and developing the story of the few in each update, which produces an amazing result. That's part of why the game is so good as it is now.
When I say redundant I mean girls that have similar characteristics, ie Ami and Ayane both extremely possessive. And then you add Noriko in (even though she will to share physically, she not willing to share emotionally) and its a tiny bit annoying. But over this is an extremely minor issue and is far outweighed by the story overall.

Regarding the ending, I had seen that in the forums though not sure Selebus themselves ever stated that, and no chances are that it may be tragic. But even there is sometime hope for optimism in the face of tragedy. I played another game recently which for the life me I can't remember the name of right now that was very dark (involving drug addiction, depression and possibly even suicidal thoughts) but the ending still had a ray of hope to it.
 

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1. A walkthrough for the game doesn't really exist. Both the wiki linked to from the game's main menu and the guide linked to in the OP are primarily lists of the various events with their triggers. They're intended to help people who are stuck rather than to tell someone to do A, then B, etc. The guide is probably more useful for quickly finding missable events as they're crossed out in red (I don't think the wiki has a list, but I could be wrong).
I actually copied the guide into my own word document so I can cross off items as I go through them. I find it easier then trying to flip back and forth between the event tracker in game and the guide
 

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The game has a very active community with a lot of very vocal people in it. Like any community, there are going to be some immature people in there. But I see no need for censoring or monitoring discussions of any matter and, so long as people abide by the rules and don't do anything stupid or illegal, I think they should be able to talk and discuss or argue however they want.

I have no right to tell people what they can and can not say. If people want to use their free speech to be immature, they can do that. I'm extremely happy with the amount of moderation there as well as the strictly enforced zero tolerance policies on inappropriate topics. But I'm not here to babysit a Discord server and tell them how they should be properly structuring internal debates, I'm here to make a game.

Edit: That community has become a very special place to a lot of people. It's somewhere that many people who haven't been able to fit in elsewhere before can now finally feel at home. And I'm glad I was able to create a community with such a diverse background of people who yes, at times, can become a little rambunctious- but are overwhelmingly accepting of not only me but of anyone who clicks on the meat. Hell, those people took the time to make me an entire fucking Christmas card and podcast episodes about how they've found a place they're excited to check in on every day or every hour. And I felt that I needed to say that because I do love that server and I don't think that love came across in my first two paragraphs.
Ok thanks for your opinion on it.
I mean i dont hate that place either. Its just easier to have a conversation here which is just a natural thing given forum versus Disord where you throw something in and get confronted with dozens of replies in seconds.
Only felt like i accidently kicked someones balls or something yesterday :D
It didnt escalate so no tears there, just an argue that i thought did not need to happen.
/e I really should have started this like a more general conversation about dynamics in a larger social group than making it sound like i might dislike Discord in general. But layed eggs and so forth.

I dont normally go so far as to compliment someone i dont really know espacially on internet but yeah... you did make a really good game there and i do like the community that assembled around it.
Up till now i had a lot of fun in it and it has been ages since the last time that happened.
So overall i think we're on the same page.
 
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alex2011

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When I say redundant I mean girls that have similar characteristics, ie Ami and Ayane both extremely possessive. And then you add Noriko in (even though she will to share physically, she not willing to share emotionally) and its a tiny bit annoying. But over this is an extremely minor issue and is far outweighed by the story overall.

Regarding the ending, I had seen that in the forums though not sure Selebus themselves ever stated that, and no chances are that it may be tragic. But even there is sometime hope for optimism in the face of tragedy. I played another game recently which for the life me I can't remember the name of right now that was very dark (involving drug addiction, depression and possibly even suicidal thoughts) but the ending still had a ray of hope to it.
Sharing a trait is not redundancy when they also have traits the supposed match that supposedly makes them redundant does not have. Ami, Ayane, and Noriko are all possessive to different degrees and they each have different traits that the other two do not possess. It actually isn't a bad thing to have multiple characters share a trait that creates an opening for conflict, especially traits that will make them butt heads like two bucks in mating season such as extreme possessiveness, which is what drives a story toward its climax. There will come a time when either Noriko or Ami snaps and it will all be because they are extremely possessive and the guy they want doesn't want the exclusivity they do. He's going to be found out by one of them and there are going to be MAJOR consequences. Ayane has been calming down on the possessive streak, so I don't think she's a threat at this point for that outcome nor do I think she would snap from discovering she isn't the only girl he's with. At first, yeah, she was a major threat for that, but I've seen signs in the last four or five updates she might be getting used to the possibility of sharing him, likely because of a certain portion of the beach event.

As far as the ending, yes, it has been stated by multiple people, including Selebus, that this is a Denpa game. It doesn't have to be stated that the ending has little chance of being positive, that's inherent in the Denpa genre.

https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-v0-15-0-part-1-selebus.48158/page-93#post-4201423

You...are aware there's more than one genre of horror...right?
This is a denpa game. Genre dates back to mid 90's, bruh.
Selebus, post number 1843 on page 93 commented on September 15th, 2020
 
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Maya isn't Sensei's sister because the game would have to be modified to fit Patreon's TOS (direct incest like that is a big no-no for them).
 
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alex2011

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Maya isn't Sensei's sister because the game would have to be modified to fit Patreon's TOS (direct incest like that is a big no-no for them).
That can always be patched, the Patreon restrictions aren't the end to any plans for infringing content, the patch just can't be official is all. While Patreon has a ludicrous and completely unfair policy against having different versions of a game on their site hosted elsewhere to avoid restrictions, they literally can't restrict patches from a third party. That would be like punishing the developer for fan art and would start some serious crap against Patreon that could cost the company everything considering they now have direct competition that allows what they do not.
 

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Maya isn't Sensei's sister because the game would have to be modified to fit Patreon's TOS (direct incest like that is a big no-no for them).
True, but if not blood relatives or if Maya's just Sensei's cousin who got adopted into Sensei's family at an early age, you can bypass the dickhead racist patreon rules.

If you play fenoxo's TiTs, kinda like how Shade-mc sex is alright cause shade is mc's cousin.
 

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anyone able to help me with As Loud as a Whisper Can Be

I've done:

Days 214+
Monday
Kadrillionbilliontrillion
Maki Miyamura’s Mom-Mode Mission (Maki)
Bluejay (Makoto)
One. Two. Three. (Miku)
Everlasting Love (Ami)


I don't know if it's because of Makoto, where she isn't able to talk to me (event 15) but can someone suggest something?
 

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anyone able to help me with As Loud as a Whisper Can Be

I've done:

Days 214+
Monday
Kadrillionbilliontrillion
Maki Miyamura’s Mom-Mode Mission (Maki)
Bluejay (Makoto)
One. Two. Three. (Miku)
Everlasting Love (Ami)


I don't know if it's because of Makoto, where she isn't able to talk to me (event 15) but can someone suggest something?
Post your save.
 

mannice431

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This is probably the only game on here that i play just for the story, i love the weird mindfuck elements to it, the fact that it parodies the harem genre by having a (mostly) amoral MC with girls that (understandably) have issues with him sleeping around, and the lingering feeling of dread lurking around every corner-waiting to scare you silly.

Honestly, you could cut out the sexy stuff entirely and i think most people wouldn't really mind. (Don't do it though, Sana deserves some loving)
 

Leecher97

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So I'm doing the Halloween events. I have both Sara and Haruka at 10 lust. I only got the Medical Assistance event.

Can you only get one or the other?
 
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