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I always love seeing Yasu in the background of scenes so know that i love it just as much in fanart too. Any and all scenes works for me, wherever you want, doing whatever you want. But yeah, post them in the art thread.
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Yeah I just dicovered it lol it's not like I was here all the time. Anyway, My bad
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This may be a repeated question so forgive me in advance.
Sensei's mentioned that nao-chan's eyes remind him of the two most important figures to him. who are they? Sekai and Maya? Ami and Maya?
ALSO IF ANYTHING BAD HAPPENS TO NAO-CHAN AND KAORIMOTHERMOM I WILL LITERALLY SEND A NUCLEAR HEAD TO SEL'S HOME TO DESTROY HIM AND THE ENTIRE WORLD I DON'T KNOW HOW I'M GOING TO LAUNCH A NUCLEAR HEAD BUT I'LL DO IT
Sensei's mentioned that nao-chan's eyes remind him of the two most important figures to him. who are they? Sekai and Maya? Ami and Maya?
ALSO IF ANYTHING BAD HAPPENS TO NAO-CHAN AND KAORIMOTHERMOM I WILL LITERALLY SEND A NUCLEAR HEAD TO SEL'S HOME TO DESTROY HIM AND THE ENTIRE WORLD I DON'T KNOW HOW I'M GOING TO LAUNCH A NUCLEAR HEAD BUT I'LL DO IT
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Yeah, but I think it's more like Ami and Maya cuz mentioning Sekai is like a trigger to Sensei
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Sensei later mentions Nao-chan's eyes match Ami's and Maya's:
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However, Ami also has her mother's eyes:
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Might be completely unrelated, but this eye conversation just reminded me that Sensei saw "familiar eyes" back during the 3rd reset in 'Backwards Dancing':
This could actually be referring to Nao-chan or perhaps something like her. It could imply that, like the tv program, Nao-chan might be related to The Upside Down House.
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This piece might be an old news already: while reviewing Sensei's box carrying trips with Maya, I counted 4 times, and each is separated with a reset. I.e., Secrets Worth Keeping → 1st reset → Close Your Eyes → 2nd reset → What it Means to Be Destroyed → 3rd reset → Everlasting Mercy → 4th reset.
While still having zero idea about the content inside each box or the purpose of these trips are (my personal favorite theory I saw here is that it's just Maya bringing camping supplies lol), what I noticed is that this pattern has been broken; Maya did not visit the school again with her box at least on screen before the 5th reset hits. If she didn't do this trip during that autopiloting 2-month skip, this might imply that carrying her box to the school at night isn't an absolute requirement to survive a reset, either from the POV of Maya or Sensei.
Unlessssssss, the box this time was delivered to the school during yet another midnight by something else, and had impacted how the 5th reset ended.
Also, I noticed a few things after reading Close Your Eyes again.
1) When delivering her quote "forcing people to do things they're not comfortable with is the best way to move them forward", what Sensei thought of is him kissing Yumi before before evading Maya's question. However, who is that someone Maya mentioned that would be very upset to hear Sensei say that?
If it's actually Yumi, does this mean that Maya knew about that rapey kiss? (explanation here can be that, Maya didn't see it, but Sensei forcing tongue actions on Yumi is so scripted that every iteration did the same thing, to a point it disturbingly becomes a common knowledge to her). If it's not Yumi she's referring to, then who? herself? Sekai? Who else applies?
2) Maya has her own untold reasons to avoid visiting Nozomu/Sekai graveyard with Ami or Sensei, and it is not because of emotional attachments (also from the event she said "visit with Sensei", which I thought is a little weird when "visit with Ami" sounds more logical since at this time point Sensei did not know he tutored Maya).
While from a player perspective it makes sense considering the information pieces we gathered that point out how creepy these two entities are both divine and creepy, plus how much Maya hates gods. But from Maya's perspective, having a reason like that would indicate that she knows at least one of her best friend's dead parents are some celestial beings, and might be responsible for her suffering in the cycles or in those cryptic happy scenes.
Maybe Maya is the product of that fateful accident (don't ask me how) who was spawned into being only after or because of their deaths, and visiting there would have irreversible effect on her existence.
Or, the reason can be entirely within the normal human understanding; maybe she just dislikes the idea of Sensei visiting Sekai's grave because she knows Sekai is his first love, and this is actually jealousy doing the talk because in a way you can never get a win from his dead ex-girlfriend.
While still having zero idea about the content inside each box or the purpose of these trips are (my personal favorite theory I saw here is that it's just Maya bringing camping supplies lol), what I noticed is that this pattern has been broken; Maya did not visit the school again with her box at least on screen before the 5th reset hits. If she didn't do this trip during that autopiloting 2-month skip, this might imply that carrying her box to the school at night isn't an absolute requirement to survive a reset, either from the POV of Maya or Sensei.
Unlessssssss, the box this time was delivered to the school during yet another midnight by something else, and had impacted how the 5th reset ended.
Also, I noticed a few things after reading Close Your Eyes again.
1) When delivering her quote "forcing people to do things they're not comfortable with is the best way to move them forward", what Sensei thought of is him kissing Yumi before before evading Maya's question. However, who is that someone Maya mentioned that would be very upset to hear Sensei say that?
If it's actually Yumi, does this mean that Maya knew about that rapey kiss? (explanation here can be that, Maya didn't see it, but Sensei forcing tongue actions on Yumi is so scripted that every iteration did the same thing, to a point it disturbingly becomes a common knowledge to her). If it's not Yumi she's referring to, then who? herself? Sekai? Who else applies?
2) Maya has her own untold reasons to avoid visiting Nozomu/Sekai graveyard with Ami or Sensei, and it is not because of emotional attachments (also from the event she said "visit with Sensei", which I thought is a little weird when "visit with Ami" sounds more logical since at this time point Sensei did not know he tutored Maya).
While from a player perspective it makes sense considering the information pieces we gathered that point out how creepy these two entities are both divine and creepy, plus how much Maya hates gods. But from Maya's perspective, having a reason like that would indicate that she knows at least one of her best friend's dead parents are some celestial beings, and might be responsible for her suffering in the cycles or in those cryptic happy scenes.
Maybe Maya is the product of that fateful accident (don't ask me how) who was spawned into being only after or because of their deaths, and visiting there would have irreversible effect on her existence.
Or, the reason can be entirely within the normal human understanding; maybe she just dislikes the idea of Sensei visiting Sekai's grave because she knows Sekai is his first love, and this is actually jealousy doing the talk because in a way you can never get a win from his dead ex-girlfriend.
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Some very big thinks there brother... very interesting.
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1) Just seems like how Selebus wrote it in a way wanted to catch the player off guard for the event... world building 'early' on in the VN. The event(s) leading up to encounter 'Close Your Eyes' also have the pre-req of the player to progressing w/ Yumi anyways to eventually unlock it. I don't think Maya would've/could've known by that point(?) as later she mentions she "can't go to the Old District" during Tsuneyo's introduction to Sensei's class in Chapter 1.
2) There is an event to where Sekai was talking about Maya, but not specifically mentioning her name. To where it seemed in the dialogue that she was envy/spited of her for being close w/ Sensei.
source: trust me bro, i couldn't find what event it's from =(
- could've/would've/maybe/probably/assuming - I try not to use these as it's just theory crafting at that point.
- In the case of 2), assuming Sensei and Maya told each other about their fucked up backgrounds way back when before Sensei's memory wipe, then that's probably why she doesn't want to visit their grave. I don't think no one knows about Sensei's past yet without theory crafting other than the Player, Sensei to an extent, Daisy/T girl and the 3 gods... and that one man who saw Sekai making out with Sensei.
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There's actually multiple boxes that Maya has, and seems to move to the school:
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I'm also thinking most things Maya says are actually in relation to her or perhaps her past self (She's a little narcissistic). She's likely upset he's not agreeing with her saying forcing people to do things is best (since that is likely what their relationship was based upon, hence Sensei abandoning the Nakayama's), and the reason she doesn't want to visit the grave is likely because she's not a fan of Sekai. Possibly even jealous of her like she is of Niki:
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I also don't think Maya knows much about Yumi's and Sensei's relationship:
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Maya seems rather Yumi-blind:
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Of course, these are mostly just theories.
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Teacher aka Sekai seems to mention Maya back in the first Happy Event 'The Room With Clocks':
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It's also implied that Maya knows about Sekai by The Shapeshifter as Maya mentioning Sensei's first and second loves:
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I think the only main characters aware of Sensei having an actual relationship with Sekai, are Maya and maybe Ami. Albeit, I doubt either know the whole story. Of course, there's also Yasu who might know, but technically it's her god who might know.
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I came across something while re-watching the happy events. specifically the 'Good boy' event.
During the event one of the background themes that play while sensei was sitting on a chair is called "maincharacter" which is just a deep pitched (dark?) version of "sidecharacter" theme that was played in one of sara's events. Why is that?
Normally with LIL soundtracks when there's a dark version of a theme it's supposed to be a sad or a bad version. in other words a (worse) version
Which means that sel is trying to say that being a main character is actually WORSE than being a side character.
the reason being that when you're THE main character you have the ability to do WHATEVER you want.. But of course there are always CONSEQUENCES and results of your actions. and in sensei's case.. he made a lot of wrong decisions and actions.
and the worst thing about these consequences is not how other people judge you and see you. but the constant judgment of your OWN mind that keeps tormenting you in every waking moment. (best example here is the molly halloween accident)
in conclusion :
The lesson here (because lessons in love heh) is that just because you can do something and get away with it because PrOtAgOnIsT. . You shouldn't do anything that can hurt others.
Because once you make that one mistake.. you'll start seeing yourself as a bad person. then a horrible person. then the literal scum of the earth.. and even if you got to correct every mistake. Even if you were forgiven. YOU WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOURSELF!
PRAISE BE!
During the event one of the background themes that play while sensei was sitting on a chair is called "maincharacter" which is just a deep pitched (dark?) version of "sidecharacter" theme that was played in one of sara's events. Why is that?
Normally with LIL soundtracks when there's a dark version of a theme it's supposed to be a sad or a bad version. in other words a (worse) version
Which means that sel is trying to say that being a main character is actually WORSE than being a side character.
the reason being that when you're THE main character you have the ability to do WHATEVER you want.. But of course there are always CONSEQUENCES and results of your actions. and in sensei's case.. he made a lot of wrong decisions and actions.
and the worst thing about these consequences is not how other people judge you and see you. but the constant judgment of your OWN mind that keeps tormenting you in every waking moment. (best example here is the molly halloween accident)
in conclusion :
The lesson here (because lessons in love heh) is that just because you can do something and get away with it because PrOtAgOnIsT. . You shouldn't do anything that can hurt others.
Because once you make that one mistake.. you'll start seeing yourself as a bad person. then a horrible person. then the literal scum of the earth.. and even if you got to correct every mistake. Even if you were forgiven. YOU WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOURSELF!
PRAISE BE!
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Subjectively, points can be made with the maincharacter.mp3/sidecharacter.mp3 being played for the first half of the happy event, "Good Boy."
I wouldn't call the soundtrack playing in the background for the first half of the event a 'worse' version of with how it usually sounds calm/soothing whenever it does play. In this event, however, it does give off a somber/melancholic feeling (at least to me) with how the event is staged.
Though its understandable w/ how a good amount of soundtracks get altered/distorted giving it a 'worse' or even an uneasy feeling to the Player when Sensei does starts seeing or hearing disturbing triggers/things from his point of view.
It seems that for most (not all) heroines in the VN that they are bettering themselves in their lives as the story progresses. In Sara's case during the event, "Nicholas Cage" the Player got an event w/out the need of Sensei inserting himself to interact with them like an MC/Protagonist usually does. Not everything has to revolve around him. In this case, it does feel like Sara has/is expected to have some character growth even if its just a little bit from Sara's point of view during the event.
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Does anyone have the most painful thing i can ask for? That being a proper playlist of the LiL tracks.
I searched for the jukebox comparisons to the original songs and all i get is the 78? track list existing in Youtube but there are songs that don't line up with what exists.
Beyond the Way of time sounds like a mix of Xion theme + Blue Air? (Intrusive thought)
Songs like 10c, Close to Nothing, Gentle Theme, Good morning/Goodnight (God help us all for the track titled I Have to Love You feat. Maya Makinami), Just Lights, Kimi To Aki No Bouken, Little bunny, Memories
and so many others
It's genuinely difficult to listen to these songs without seeing the LiL textbox or models at this point? It's fair to say LiL as a story overtakes alot of precedent in these stories given Sel apparently writes around the music or finds music to play the scene out to?
I've been playing other VNS because my poor soul caught up to recent release and like even critically acclaimed releases like NUKITASHI cant fill the void of discovering more lessons in love events.
Christ. Everything I was saying and asking for made sense while i was writing things out but Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence started playing and now I'm a weeping mess because words have so much power you'd never expect.
I pray that Rin as best girl and true homie gets hurt the least.
I searched for the jukebox comparisons to the original songs and all i get is the 78? track list existing in Youtube but there are songs that don't line up with what exists.
Beyond the Way of time sounds like a mix of Xion theme + Blue Air? (Intrusive thought)
Songs like 10c, Close to Nothing, Gentle Theme, Good morning/Goodnight (God help us all for the track titled I Have to Love You feat. Maya Makinami), Just Lights, Kimi To Aki No Bouken, Little bunny, Memories
and so many others
It's genuinely difficult to listen to these songs without seeing the LiL textbox or models at this point? It's fair to say LiL as a story overtakes alot of precedent in these stories given Sel apparently writes around the music or finds music to play the scene out to?
I've been playing other VNS because my poor soul caught up to recent release and like even critically acclaimed releases like NUKITASHI cant fill the void of discovering more lessons in love events.
Christ. Everything I was saying and asking for made sense while i was writing things out but Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence started playing and now I'm a weeping mess because words have so much power you'd never expect.
I pray that Rin as best girl and true homie gets hurt the least.
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My interpretation is different. Personally, I believe "maincharacter" is a representation of Sara's despondence and loneliness. She always wanted to be truly loved, and no one really did. She wanted to be someone's main character and never was. So basically, it's a sadder version because her true feelings are coming through.
Whereas "sidecharacter", the original version, is more cheerful, even though it's still delicate and wistful because she's masking her feelings under a veneer of acceptance. You can see this clearly in more recent events.
Tell Me When;
The Place She Falls Asleep At Night;
Nicolas Cage.
Mmm, possibly. Most of the main girls have suffered a lot from what we know. I'll try to assign grades of suffering, to simplify things (an assholish thing to do, but I'm in a hurry and these are fictional characters). This will be mostly a stream-of-consciousness thing because I must hurry
Sensei, a poor bastard. Grade S+(ensei) suffering.
Chika, B+ suffering, mother died, sister sick super sick possibly dead in a few
Yumi, A- suffering, mother is a junkie, father is a criminal pos, dogshit childhood etc
Ayane, C+ to B- suffering, wealthy dad but distant, mother left her
Sana, C+ to B- suffering, dead brother, mother is (was, things are looking up) floundering, probably inherited mental health issues
Makoto, C- to A suffering, decent-ish childhood, but recent events fucked her up real hard, bluejay amongst other things
Miku, unknown at minimum B+, has severe PTSD, something horrid must have happened to her.
Futaba, C+ to B- suffering, body dysmorphic disorder, eating disorders etc. Seems to have had good parents? I don't remember clearly actually
Rin, at minimum B-, self-harm, depression, etc. adoptive parents seem nice though. Biological parents are turbo fucked up (there's a theory here about them I think)
Ami, unknown really, but assuming she is a normal girl and not some demigod eldritch entity, A- at minimum. Dead parents, fucked up uncle, etc.
Maya, more or less the same as Ami, but A+ suffering because she has been looping for possibly millions of years (consciously). How her mind isn't shattered beyond recognition is one of the mysteries at play here (godly origin?). Or maybe her mind did shatter and she's not suffering outwardly because she's already broken beyond belief. There's that trope if I'm not wrong, called "Bored with Insanity".
Molly, C- suffering, good dad, seems to have had a decent childhood in Ireland, far from Kumon-mi. I think her mom died early? Has some issues (LiL-wise she's quite fortunate)
Tsuneyo, honestly no idea really.
Uta, at minimum B+, good family, but she got abused online etc. Caused severe mental health problems and a great deal of counseling.
Io, unknown but at minimum A+, in virtue of being worse off than Yumi. Abused, Raped?
Nodoka, no idea. She's clearly insane though and that must count for something, her mother was sick or something. Tentative A-
Otoha, D-. fairly-normal-upbringing-girl, it's unfortunate she got caught up in this mess.
Touka, E+ to D+, rich af, intelligent and athletic, beautiful and loved (by her mother and sister). father is a dipshit though. The pressure of her position must have caused some level of stress. Will suffer much more in the future because she got caught up in Sensei's mess.
Yasu, is in a similar position to Yumi, Maya and Io. One of the worst childhoods in the main cast. A-level suffering at minimum.
Noriko, C+ suffering. Loving parents and sister. Her great source of misfortune was falling for Sensei. Would have been successful because of her intelligence and work ethic. No health issues physically
Kirin, C+ suffering. Ordinary but seemingly stifling, straight-laced traditional (like Otoha) family. A plethora of mental health problems
Now for side girls:
Sara, A+ and beyond. ultra fucked up childhood, husband left, son died, hallucinations, poverty. In a similar boat to Sensei.
Haruka, unknown but doesn't seem that bad. Fairly ordinary life? She's a predator and deviant, that's on her though.
Kaori, grade unknown but most assuredly shitty. A and beyond.
Chinami, B+. Is ill, mom died, poverty. Has a loving, dedicated sister as a counterweight.
Karin, E. Seems to be one of the luckiest and most normal characters in LiL (if not the most). Possibly caused by her irrelevance. I wish she had more presence, but that would cause more suffering to her, so I'm torn.
Maki, childhood mostly unknown. Now she's suffering a lot now so B+.
Yuki, A. Went through horrid things.
Niki, B. Most of her suffering arose from Akira. Utinam Ne Illum Numquam Conspexissem. Had she never seen Akira, she would have been better off.
Wakana, unknown. High potential for suffering if the painkiller usage is any indication. I speculate B+ up.
Osako, unknown.
Tsubasa, mostly unknown.
Tsukasa, around the same as Touka, maybe a bit less.
Imani, minimum of B+, probably more.
Rika, unknown.
Nao? Well, at this point, I doubt she's even human so...
Conclusion:
It doesn't really matter if you are a main or side character. Are you in LiL? You're going to suffer, friend.
We made it to one thousand, two hundred and fifty pages is just under three and a half years. I wonder what page number we will make it to by the end? If we are nearing the end of the first phase of three for the game then I suspect we should end up at around four thousand thread pages or so. I wonder how many nuts we will bust collectively to this game and if we might all develop the inability to debase ourselves with out a decent mix of arm chair psychology, depression, mental psychotropic delusions, 79 6f 75 64 69 64 69 74 giving us prostate exams with her long fingers and sexual parrales to birds?
Right now, out of all of Sensei's real lovers (Maya, Sekai, Niki), only Niki remains in the dark about the other two and I wonder what her interaction and relationship with Maya will be like when she finds out everything about her.
I'm thinking of two possible scenarios.
first option :
second option:
Which option do you think is closer to the truth?)
I'm thinking of two possible scenarios.
first option :
second option:
Which option do you think is closer to the truth?)
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"My dad died and the world won't even let me kill myself"
"I grade your suffering C- to A"
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you can post this also in the LIL art thread, so it doesn't get lost in this thread. That or these are new scenes as i stopped playing at 0.30.0Right now, out of all of Sensei's real lovers (Maya, Sekai, Niki), only Niki remains in the dark about the other two and I wonder what her interaction and relationship with Maya will be like when she finds out everything about her.
I'm thinking of two possible scenarios.
first option :
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second option:
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Which option do you think is closer to the truth?)
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I KNEW I weren't the only one who was at least somewhat attracted to long maya!
I'm not only talking about how she looks but also her big wide smile AND how nice she is . I mean she's like maya but cooler.
Moyo is cool too i guess... she's like long maya's funny sidekick or something. i still can't believe she just drank all of sensei's PRECIOUS substance in a one go