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... Tsurumi is better than Chinami ...What are the odds Chinami's events will be missed if you didn't pick her, making an all green playthrough impossible?
... Tsurumi is better than Chinami ...What are the odds Chinami's events will be missed if you didn't pick her, making an all green playthrough impossible?
0What are the odds Chinami's events will be missed if you didn't pick her, making an all green playthrough impossible?
Also, I don't know where this Ayane hate came from.Like Moonflare, I heavily disagree with this take on their relationship. Prior to Maya "revealing" the psycho Ami stuff to Ayane, Ami had spent a whole chapter deliberately cultivating a psycho Ami persona in order to try and scare everyone else away from Sensei. The extended psychic manipulation that Ami used against Ayane is much worse than a single event of "bullying" where the whole point was to stop the manipulation and hopefully return them to a more normal relationship.
As you point out, Ayane hasn't been completely alone because she's had Ami, Sensei, and (to a lesser extent) Maya to rely on. Sensei has become a shell of the man who first became her father figure, and is inconsistent at best in how much he supports Ayane now. After Ayane joined the RAS, Maya started treating her less like a friend and more like a hindrance, and was completely fine with Ayane being factory reset, maybe even hoping for it. And so Ami, who had been her strongest source of support, starts pushing Ayane away with the psycho Ami act, she really is finding herself alone now.
It's very clear that if there is a power imbalance after Ayane stands up to Ami on the beach, it's still not in Ayane's favor. In Chapter 4, Ayane is really worried about Ami as well as Sensei, while Ami continues to be an absolute shit friend (and also confirms that she was deliberately manipulating Ayane earlier).
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If Sel sticks with what he has said, a green path will be possible to the end. He'd piss a lot of people off if it changed, but I can't say I would be totally surprised.What are the odds Chinami's events will be missed if you didn't pick her, making an all green playthrough impossible?
You'll miss Prisoner, and you'll miss a few scenes that only trigger if you have Prisoner, but that's a side strand of Ayane's path, not the main part of it.another noob question, i forgot to get my ayane lust up to 10 for the beach vacation, will i be locked out of her path if i get to Prisoner without it?
I guess I heavily disagree with both of your takes on this.Like Moonflare, I heavily disagree with this take on their relationship. Prior to Maya "revealing" the psycho Ami stuff to Ayane, Ami had spent a whole chapter deliberately cultivating a psycho Ami persona in order to try and scare everyone else away from Sensei. The extended psychic manipulation that Ami used against Ayane is much worse than a single event of "bullying" where the whole point was to stop the manipulation and hopefully return them to a more normal relationship.
As you point out, Ayane hasn't been completely alone because she's had Ami, Sensei, and (to a lesser extent) Maya to rely on. Sensei has become a shell of the man who first became her father figure, and is inconsistent at best in how much he supports Ayane now. After Ayane joined the RAS, Maya started treating her less like a friend and more like a hindrance, and was completely fine with Ayane being factory reset, maybe even hoping for it. And so Ami, who had been her strongest source of support, starts pushing Ayane away with the psycho Ami act, she really is finding herself alone now.
It's very clear that if there is a power imbalance after Ayane stands up to Ami on the beach, it's still not in Ayane's favor. In Chapter 4, Ayane is really worried about Ami as well as Sensei, while Ami continues to be an absolute shit friend (and also confirms that she was deliberately manipulating Ayane earlier).
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Yes, there are further lewd scenes on that plot thread that you'll miss if you miss Prisoner.will i miss all of her lewdables if i miss prisoner? or just the one?
I highly recommend you download URM and use it to setanother noob question, i forgot to get my ayane lust up to 10 for the beach vacation, will i be locked out of her path if i get to Prisoner without it?
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to 10. Without seeing Prisoner and the other events that rely on it, Ayane's arc will make a lot less sense.Yes, there have been times when Ayane has made mistakes or not necessarily been the best friend. She's a teenage girl after all. Obviously she's hurt Maya by constantly talking about Sensei around him, but that was never intentional. Sleeping with Sensei behind Ami's back is bad, but I'd argue that Ami sleeping with him behind Ayane's back is just as bad, knowing how Ayane feels about him. Admittedly, it was pretty shitty of Ayane (as well as a questionable decision) to reveal to Ami that she knows about Ami+Sensei and to not reveal her own relationship at the same time, but that's a later event.I guess I heavily disagree with both of your takes on this.
Ami wasn't pushing Ayane away. Ayane pushed Ami away by not only sleeping with Ami's uncle behind her back, but also with the reset stuff, and then pushed Ami away even more after Maya scared her.
Even before all of that, Ayane said crap like this on Ami's birthday:Ami and Ayane literally formed the Sensei Love Squad, and Ami being Ami isn't anything new. She didn't seem to do anything to change their friendship. Ayane did (and Maya). I'm not sure where Ami pushing Ayane away in chapter 3 comes from, tbh. She was trying to rekindle their friendship.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Frankly, even Ayane's problems with Maya and Sensei are her own fault. She treated Maya as a threat before making it to the roof, and basically spent years harassing Sensei while Maya had to hide their relationship. Ayane was even the one who pushed for a sexual relationship with Sensei, surely knowing it'd at least change her relationships with Ami and Sensei. It, of course, is also something Maya likely hated, like how she hated Ayane flaunting her relationship with Sensei during the resets:Ayane's actions are a large part of why her relationships are the way they are. I'm curious if she may have even played a part in why her father neglects her and her mother abandoned her, but I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Anyway, all that you showed of Ami is after Ayane messed up their friendship, slept with her uncle, acted way different than usual, bullied her, and was just implying that she was somehow involved in Sensei breaking and being incapacitated for 2 months. On top of this, Ami was apparently finally breaking after all of the years of crap she's been put through by everyone around her. Hence why Ami has short hair now.
But the power imbalance I'm referring to was shown blatantly in Ayane's Chapter 3 'Double Jeopardy' Event:How someone could consider this as them being "equal" is beyond me.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Ayane definitely played a part in Ami's recent breaking, and it's likely why she wishes she had a friend she could trust:You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
I'd be curious how Ami is going to react to Ayane now, but it'd probably be more of the same. Ami seems even more submissive now.
This is how I imagine your brain after some things that are going to happen in this game:Like i originally said, this here's a placeholder for Wvm, so the longer that takes the longer i can tunnel vision all these goodies
I mean, I’m all for talking about Sana, Yasu, et al. And I don’t wanna get serious or anything….This is now a "nice girl with severe mental issues" appreciate thread.
I have often thought this story would work in an asylum rather than a school. Wakana would make a very hot doctor.I mean, I’m all for talking about Sana, Yasu, et al. And I don’t wanna get serious or anything….
But is there a single character in this game who doesn’t have “severe mental issues”?
Granted, not many of them are nice, but Sel has worked hard to make sure that they all have a redeeming human side.
Except Nodoka. She’s just flat-out evil.
No, and probably by design. Excellent narratives will have their central theme reflected in all its characters (or at least the central ones). In fact, that tends to be a strategy for determining the central theme of a story: what is the question/struggle shared by everyone in it?But is there a single character in this game who doesn’t have “severe mental issues”?
yeah, is that the one where Sens steals Yumi's first kiss? that felt a little whiplash-yThis is how I imagine your brain after some things that are going to happen in this game:
Oh man, you'll see such beautiful thingsYou don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.that maybe you'll wish you hadn't. Having LiL as a placeholder for a normal story sound to me like playing emotional russian roulette while waiting for your turn to buy bread.
You're past "this town has two halves", right?
Genuinely, I think it depends what you mean by mental issues and by "severe". I wouldn't classify a lot of the main cast as having 'severe mental issues' honestly, maybe just issues or disorders. But a lot of them just have personality quirks, shitty aspects, or are dumb teens. Things like Noriko's obsessiveness might be due to abandonment issues and not necessarily seen as something as "severe" or crippling long-term.I mean, I’m all for talking about Sana, Yasu, et al. And I don’t wanna get serious or anything….
But is there a single character in this game who doesn’t have “severe mental issues”?
Granted, not many of them are nice, but Sel has worked hard to make sure that they all have a redeeming human side.
Except Nodoka. She’s just flat-out evil.
Counterpoint: the severe mental issue is that they're all attracted to Akira.Genuinely, I think it depends what you mean by mental issues and by "severe". I wouldn't classify a lot of the main cast as having 'severe mental issues' honestly, maybe just issues or disorders. But a lot of them just have personality quirks, shitty aspects, or are dumb teens. Things like Futaba's body dysmorphia might be arguable under what you consider 'extreme' unless she really goes down a dark place in the future. (I don't want to downplay that condition at all, I respect how serious it is and how it affects people, I guess I just don't know how it's labeled medically or seen.) And Noriko's obsessiveness might be due to abandonment issues and not necessarily seen as something as "severe" or crippling long-term.
I sympathize with Yumi a lot. She grew up around crime and hard drugs before presumably (iffy on it) being homeless for a good chunk of time. She's an ass hole, but is that not to be expected? And it's shown that she can change somewhat/slowly. She's not psychopathic or psychotic or anything, just an angry kid with a fucked up perspective and rearing.I've beat the shit out of kids for less than what Nodoka did. Deserved, honestly.
Chika's just an obsessive teen mostly, to a high degree. Kirin's literally just a walking vagina monster. Otoha might have mood swings/behavioral issues or something I guess(?) but otherwise is just another (kind of a bitch?) teenage girl. Tsuneyo... She's probably high functioning if we're being honest, but she's mostly fine. Molly and Maya probably don't have serious mental health issues/disorders either. And Makoto had a major depressive episode or two, but that might be over, and she may not suffer from any type of depression going forward. Knock on wood. And Touka is actually just some spoiled rich girl with a lot on her shoulders, albeit extremely level-headed and well adjusted considering her posh lifestyle.
Okay, so it's a smaller slice of the cast than I thought, but still. We have a few relatively normal main cast members without any major mental health or personality disorders. And some of the ones that do may owe theirs in part at least to 'supernatural' causes, like Sana (If you count her visions as "issues" and speculate how they may/may not affect her behavior, mood, etc.,) Yasu, and maybe Nodoka if there is weird shit going on with her.
*A lot of grammar edits.