Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.43.0] [Selebus]

[aramaug]

How do we know that breaking the girls, isn't the right thing?

Or I guess from a "play" perspective, in order to see the good endings, we have to break them right? They (we) don't get to experience the good until we push through and take part in the bad.

As we are all playing an "h-game" we should be wanting to break them (we read the tags) and as, we, the players start sympathizing with everybody more we root for Akira to not do the bad thing. We stop caring about wanting to fuck Maya, and now we all want to save Maya prime, for example.

I'm just not sure the text supports them being wrong yet, even if they feel bad.

Maybe, if Tsubasa is the second narrator, in order to save everybody you do have to turn yourself into a god (which in the modern context sounds bad, but was the whole point of a lot of ancient spiritual traditions).

For one thing, it's what Pareidolia and Sekai are directly telling us to do and I doubt that anything they want is actually in the best interests of Sensei or the girls. But it's not impossible that they're saying the correct thing for the wrong reasons, and your interpretation could be valid.

This is all speculation built on speculation built on scanty evidence, but to me it seems like Maya Prime and the first narrator had a plan that didn't involve breaking anyone. Instead they were trying to fix Akira so that he could then somehow fix the world. That might also involve him becoming a god, but in a slower fashion with a lot less suffering. And the plan seemed to be working; Sensei is slowly getting his memories back and improving as a person. Albeit in large part due to the sinkhole bringing Noriko and Niki into his life, which Maya was opposed to. My reading is that, in addition to her selfish reasons, she was worried about things accelerating too quickly and breaking him again. She has a lot of trial and error experience with what breaks Sensei, and apparently the Nakayamas are able to do things that she couldn't.

As for the second narrator, if my interpretation is correct, she doesn't actually want to fix the world. If the world is fixed, the gods dissappear and Akira loses whatever powers he is able to gain. Instead she wants to take control of the world as a kind of benevolent ruler while still allowing the cycles to continue.

I do think this is all moot from a narrative perspective; whether or not the first plan would have worked, it's not the path that things are going to go down any longer. So in that sense it will be necessary for us to see the girls get broken in order to get to the good endings on the other side. It's just possible that there was a better alternative that we won't get to see. And I think that's in line with Sel's narrative strategy; we need to feel that there was a more moral alternative in order for the dark route to have its full impact.

Again, though, these are just my personal ideas and I could be completely wrong about everything.

 

[Riolol]

I may be completely wrong here but I vaguely recall hearing Selly had said being a bad homie was the canon choice, since being a bad homie leads to missed events that would mean the green path isn't necessarily the canon path. So it's possible having sex with Io isn't even canon.

 

[Jeraviel]

btw nevermind how Selebus will make the whole "break her to fix her" work out in a way that doesn't feel delusional and wish-fullfiled, I'm more interested about how Io and Sensei will even have a conversation next time they meet.

If you choose to go home, they can eventually have a calm, more level headed talk with each other, with Akira being more mindful with his words so as to not trigger Io again

But if you choose to stay, at the end she tells him she will be unavailable for unforseeable future (basically fuck off I don't want to see you). I don't see how it can eventually lead to them talking with each other unless Io gets soft-reseted like Makoto

 

[notproudofbeinghere]

I may be completely wrong here but I vaguely recall hearing Selly had said being a bad homie was the canon choice, since being a bad homie leads to missed events that would mean the green path isn't necessarily the canon path. So it's possible having sex with Io isn't even canon.

He said it was the "more canon", simply because CH1 Sensei is an asshole, but there really isn't a canon, I think that stablish a canon will be against the point of the game, so yeah-

 

[Riolol]

He said it was the "more canon", simply because CH1 Sensei is an asshole, but there really isn't a canon, I think that stablish a canon will be against the point of the game, so yeah-

There are choices in the game where one option is clearly the canon choice, like dicking Ami for example. I think we will have a definitive canon when it's all over 10+ years from now.

 

[Jeraviel]

I may be completely wrong here but I vaguely recall hearing Selly had said being a bad homie was the canon choice, since being a bad homie leads to missed events that would mean the green path isn't necessarily the canon path. So it's possible having sex with Io isn't even canon.

The fucked up thing about bad homie is that if you were playing the game updates as they came out, there was no way to avoid going down that path because Chika's Schadenfreude event came out in v0.6, and the beach event came in v0.8. If you were a monthly reader of this VN, there is no logical way for you to have avoided bad homie. so in that sort of way, it is canon.

If our choices really don't matter, then the only thing we can control is the timing of events. Intentionally preventing Sensei from visiting Chika until the beach so as to stay as a good homie, talking with Yumi (Abyss) before going on a date with Chika (v0.15), which in turn changes the outcome of the Nodoka/Yumi event in v0.25.

I wouldn't be surprised if we have already watched many events in the "wrong" order that will effect further events beyond our imagination. if bad homie is part of the canon route, then an all green route might just be a meta route, or the player's path

 

[Leoxsama]

The fucked up thing about bad homie is that if you were playing the game updates as they came out, there was no way to avoid going down that path because Chika's Schadenfreude event came out in v0.6, and the beach event came in v0.8. If you were a monthly reader of this VN, there is no logical way for you to have avoided bad homie. so in that sort of way, it is canon.

If our choices really don't matter, then the only thing we can control is the timing of events. Intentionally preventing Sensei from visiting Chika until the beach so as to stay as a good homie, talking with Yumi (Abyss) before going on a date with Chika (v0.15), which in turn changes the outcome of the Nodoka/Yumi event in v0.25.

I wouldn't be surprised if we have already watched many events in the "wrong" order that will effect further events beyond our imagination. if bad homie is part of the canon route, then an all green route might just be a meta route, or the player's path

Your bring up an interesting point about the timing of events considering Himawari's existence and the whole time travel speculation.

 

[Riolol]

The fucked up thing about bad homie is that if you were playing the game updates as they came out, there was no way to avoid going down that path because Chika's Schadenfreude event came out in v0.6, and the beach event came in v0.8. If you were a monthly reader of this VN, there is no logical way for you to have avoided bad homie. so in that sort of way, it is canon.

If our choices really don't matter, then the only thing we can control is the timing of events. Intentionally preventing Sensei from visiting Chika until the beach so as to stay as a good homie, talking with Yumi (Abyss) before going on a date with Chika (v0.15), which in turn changes the outcome of the Nodoka/Yumi event in v0.25.

I wouldn't be surprised if we have already watched many events in the "wrong" order that will effect further events beyond our imagination. if bad homie is part of the canon route, then an all green route might just be a meta route, or the player's path

This sort of thing worries me, we could all be fucking up our games without even knowing it. I really don't want to end up having to start a new game because I triggered events in the wrong order a year beforehand.

 

[barglenarglezous]

Working on a redline path playthrough, trying to miss as many events as possible. Thus, I'm not grinding Lust. I've run into an interesting question.

Some lust events are listed in the Wiki as Not Missable, which implies they're required for progress.

The next Chika event (Detention) in my run is one of those. If I never build up the Lust, it should never trigger. Is that a softlock, or will the story progress regardless?

 

[Jeraviel]

The next Chika event (Detention) in my run is one of those. If I never build up the Lust, it should never trigger. Is that a softlock, or will the story progress regardless?

If I'm correct, you need Detention to unlock the Chika invite, and you need her first invite event (A Trip to the Moon) for the Halloween.

 

[NicolasL4D]

I may be completely wrong here but I vaguely recall hearing Selly had said being a bad homie was the canon choice, since being a bad homie leads to missed events that would mean the green path isn't necessarily the canon path. So it's possible having sex with Io isn't even canon.

I always saw "canon choice" as a misnomer. Nothing is canonical. What's canonical is what YOU pick.

You shouldn't be playing what is canonical, at least in my opinion. You're given a choice, and you should pick the choices you want to go off of. Even if it does annoy Selebus as you see in a later Ami event.

 

[Leoxsama]

One theory I haven't seen floating around is that we're all assuming that the space war is bullshit and used as an excuse to get rid of other men for the sake of the plot, but assuming it IS real, then that theory of Ami and/or Sekai not actually being human takes on a whole other meaning. They might actually be aliens.

 

[Dc345]

One theory I haven't seen floating around is that we're all assuming that the space war is bullshit and used as an excuse to get rid of other men for the sake of the plot, but assuming it IS real, then that theory of Ami and/or Sekai not actually being human takes on a whole other meaning. They might actually be aliens.

Spoiler: Sigh

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[CheleDeCedul]

Sorry if I'm late, and probably someone did it before, but just finished the update and wanted to share the triggers for the events for anyone that might be looking for them:

Yasu1 = Needs Touka camping event. Autoplays Sunday morning.
Yasu2/3 = Autoplays Saturday night. Yasu3 is the main unlocker of the rest of the events.
Maki = Porn shop + lust>5 + Yasu3.
Futaba = Dorms + lust>25 + Yasu3.
Haruka = Cafe + weekend + Yasu3. Rin autoplays after.
Io1/2/3 = Bathhouse + weekday + Yasu3.
Uta1 = Yasu3. Autoplays Saturday morning.
Uta2 = Autoplays Wednesday night.
Noriko1 = Convenience store + love>30 + Yasu3.
Noriko2 = Uta1. Autoplays Sunday afternoon.
Kirin = Noriko1. Autoplays Saturday afternoon.
Wakana1/2 + Imani1/2 = Yasu3 + Uta2 + Noriko2 + Kirin + Io2. Autoplays Saturday morning.

 

[crustlord12]

Has anyone ever pointed out that we have Terminals and Planes? I choose to believe this is all taking place inside a Microsoft Flight Simulator now.
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk

 

[Yarazin]

Ok, since I'm really invested (obsessed), I couldn't wait just one more day and cut out some sleep to finish the update. On break now so figured I would write up some thoughts. I liked it but I'm always confused about many things so interested to read others thoughts. For now ill just say a few things about each girls events.

Spoiler: 0.41

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[NicolasL4D]

I always saw "canon choice" as a misnomer. Nothing is canonical. What's canonical is what YOU pick.

You shouldn't be playing what is canonical, at least in my opinion. You're given a choice, and you should pick the choices you want to go off of. Even if it does annoy Selebus as you see in a later Ami event.

This is ironic because I'm locked out of the Rin event. I don't even know what choice caused this.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

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Spoiler: Noriko

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Wanted to add some thoughts on Noriko's bizarre journey.
1. Assuming Nao in the lucid dream being the same wizard Nao we know is straightforward and very likely to be correct, but I can't cast away the feeling that Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT isn't exactly the same Nao that held hands with Noriko moments ago.

• This isn't the first time Nao got sent to paranormal locations, but during those two incidents she appeared to be a conscious but confused bystander who got involved not out of her own volition. This time the Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT is tasked by Maya as Noriko's guide. Being "a part of it" fits how mysterious Nao is, but also is in fact very unprecedent.
• Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT is rendered without eyes, her most defining feature.
• Tsuneyo's friend in light purple cap can be spotted immediately prior to the loading screen. He's placed there in the scene on purpose and I can't help thinking whether he has something to do with any part of it.

2. Why can Noriko enter such a place? DEN OF THE MOLERAT is a replica of Heaven, and the idea of Heaven is reinvented by Yasu shortly before as "just another name for another plane". More importantly, one doesn't enter this specific plane on accident, and one has to believe in it for it to exist as well.

The "believe in it" part I think is a cute throwback to Noriko's personality, believing things like some other timeline or some other world, though this can hardly be a proof and I am bringing this up out of romantic whim.

Regardless, there is a desire that empowers Noriko to find this plane, and that desire is not aligned with amiokay or whoever is behind amiokay, with the former promptly kicking her out. So what recent desire does Noriko have that pertains to "making wishes come true"? The desire not to understand what happened to Maya, but to know.

Thus a certain force in power (Nao, Maya, purple cap guy, or Noriko herself, or anyone suspicious honestly) separates Noriko from where and when she means to be and sends her to the bottom of everything, where what's probably become of Prime Maya after 6th reset lies before Noriko to let her know that something did happen to Maya, and let her keep this memory, but not let her understand any of it.

3. I am a little concerned about what's written on the blackboard.

First two are classic LiL BS, but the last one is "-ingle twin". What is that? If I zoom hard enough it looks like "single twin", but what twin anyway?

There is currently no twin in the game and if we're not talking about mattress sizes, I can't helping relating this to the fact that both Maya and amiokay are there in the room at the same time. Blending this with other foreboding things like "Have you found it yet? The paradox?" by amiokay, the constant theme of needing to distinguish amiokay from Maya in multiple happy events, "maybe she was never meant to be here at all" by Pareidolia, and then heavy doses of unruly imagination gives me headache.


(I wrote last two almost like fan fictions so don't bother looking for supporting proof because there aint any lol)

4. Some random things that lead to nowhere:

• I am a little upset that Noriko didn't comment on Nao's eye colors. Of all the girls out there Noriko should be the few ones that would be able to draw some interesting thoughts about Nao's eyes, but she didn't.
• Nao's favorite animal is probably not something real to us if Noriko never heard of it (unless Nao speaks in nomenclature or it's just an extremely random animal, and Noriko is not Nodoka-level smart), at least not frog or chicken perhaps. With her nightmarish drawing, it'd be hilarious if her favorite animal is fucking wilford blackhole hands.

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Working on a redline path playthrough, trying to miss as many events as possible. Thus, I'm not grinding Lust. I've run into an interesting question.

Some lust events are listed in the Wiki as Not Missable, which implies they're required for progress.

The next Chika event (Detention) in my run is one of those. If I never build up the Lust, it should never trigger. Is that a softlock, or will the story progress regardless?

Unless prior events already rewarded you with enough lust points, after a certain point you will not be able to proceed if you absolutely forbid yourself from lust grinding and get yourself stuck at a lust event. I think the same goes for Futaba's lust event in this update, in which I couldn't directly trigger her second event and simply bypass her lust event in my sexless run.

 

[Jaoo]

what if the gods all take turns controlling the world in a specific order and each time Akira fails or some other trigger happens the Big Reset happens, so the guy that's first in line wants the Big Reset to happen so he can selfishly have his turn again, or infinite spring so the other seasons never happen. Sorry if gibberish, totally trashed on hospital drugs rn. Osako might just have a cuck fetish