NicolasL4D

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what if the gods all take turns controlling the world in a specific order and each time Akira fails or some other trigger happens the Big Reset happens, so the guy that's first in line wants the Big Reset to happen so he can selfishly have his turn again, or infinite spring so the other seasons never happen. Sorry if gibberish, totally trashed on hospital drugs rn. Osako might just have a cuck fetish
Doesn't make sense.

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zeroobliv

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So Io; that was a thing. I avoided that shitstorm instead of banging it. First time for everything I guess. Looking forward to how not going through with that nonsense plays out now that everything's out in the open over a misunderstanding. She was freaking the hell out when she got turned down. I've always been all in on the scumbaggery but I oddly couldn't go through with it in this instance.
 

Comiies

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How do we know that breaking the girls, isn't the right thing?

Or I guess from a "play" perspective, in order to see the good endings, we have to break them right? They (we) don't get to experience the good until we push through and take part in the bad.

As we are all playing an "h-game" we should be wanting to break them (we read the tags) and as, we, the players start sympathizing with everybody more we root for Akira to not do the bad thing. We stop caring about wanting to fuck Maya, and now we all want to save Maya prime, for example.

I'm just not sure the text supports them being wrong yet, even if they feel bad.

Maybe, if Tsubasa is the second narrator, in order to save everybody you do have to turn yourself into a god (which in the modern context sounds bad, but was the whole point of a lot of ancient spiritual traditions).
Well think about it like this.On one hand we have a deprived rapist/child abuser that groomed us from a very very young age telling us to break the girls.On the other hand we have a god(or at the very least god like) constatly abusing us verbally about how we are alway at fault,how we are the reason anything bad is happening and how to atone for that we need to become the beast that we KNOW we are.I think its pretty obvious that these 2 narratos dont have the best intentions in mind,to put it litgly.
 

aramaug

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Wanted to add some thoughts on Noriko's bizarre journey.
1. Assuming Nao in the lucid dream being the same wizard Nao we know is straightforward and very likely to be correct, but I can't cast away the feeling that Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT isn't exactly the same Nao that held hands with Noriko moments ago.
  • This isn't the first time Nao got sent to paranormal locations, but during those two incidents she appeared to be a conscious but confused bystander who got involved not out of her own volition. This time the Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT is tasked by Maya as Noriko's guide. Being "a part of it" fits how mysterious Nao is, but also is in fact very unprecedent.
  • Nao in DEN OF THE MOLERAT is rendered without eyes, her most defining feature.
  • Tsuneyo's friend in light purple cap can be spotted immediately prior to the loading screen. He's placed there in the scene on purpose and I can't help thinking whether he has something to do with any part of it.
2. Why can Noriko enter such a place? DEN OF THE MOLERAT is a replica of Heaven, and the idea of Heaven is reinvented by Yasu shortly before as "just another name for another plane". More importantly, one doesn't enter this specific plane on accident, and one has to believe in it for it to exist as well.
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The "believe in it" part I think is a cute throwback to Noriko's personality, believing things like some other timeline or some other world, though this can hardly be a proof and I am bringing this up out of romantic whim.
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Regardless, there is a desire that empowers Noriko to find this plane, and that desire is not aligned with amiokay or whoever is behind amiokay, with the former promptly kicking her out. So what recent desire does Noriko have that pertains to "making wishes come true"? The desire not to understand what happened to Maya, but to know.
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Thus a certain force in power (Nao, Maya, purple cap guy, or Noriko herself, or anyone suspicious honestly) separates Noriko from where and when she means to be and sends her to the bottom of everything, where what's probably become of Prime Maya after 6th reset lies before Noriko to let her know that something did happen to Maya, and let her keep this memory, but not let her understand any of it.

3. I am a little concerned about what's written on the blackboard.
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First two are classic LiL BS, but the last one is "-ingle twin". What is that? If I zoom hard enough it looks like "single twin", but what twin anyway?

There is currently no twin in the game and if we're not talking about mattress sizes, I can't helping relating this to the fact that both Maya and amiokay are there in the room at the same time. Blending this with other foreboding things like "Have you found it yet? The paradox?" by amiokay, the constant theme of needing to distinguish amiokay from Maya in multiple happy events, "maybe she was never meant to be here at all" by Pareidolia, and then heavy doses of unruly imagination gives me headache.
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(I wrote last two almost like fan fictions so don't bother looking for supporting proof because there aint any lol)

4. Some random things that lead to nowhere:
  • I am a little upset that Noriko didn't comment on Nao's eye colors. Of all the girls out there Noriko should be the few ones that would be able to draw some interesting thoughts about Nao's eyes, but she didn't.
  • Nao's favorite animal is probably not something real to us if Noriko never heard of it (unless Nao speaks in nomenclature or it's just an extremely random animal, and Noriko is not Nodoka-level smart), at least not frog or chicken perhaps. With her nightmarish drawing, it'd be hilarious if her favorite animal is fucking wilford blackhole hands.
  • I like the idea that Noriko is pulled in because she "wishes" to know. Nao was the result of Kaori's wish and seems likely to be connected to the wishing well.
  • Purple hat guy showing up and Nao having no eyes are both things that I missed but seem important. Purple hat guy is identified as Tsuneyo's friend and I kind of got the impression he was watching over her, so maybe he's sent by Wires. Not sure why he would be watching Noriko, maybe some old district connection.
  • Nao's lack of eyes reminds me of a similar thing with Ghost Sekai in the background of some event that I can't recall.
  • Chinami also asked Nao about her favorite animal in "Becoming a Kidnapper" and the answer was apparently rhinos. I'm not sure if her answer changed, if Noriko is just commenting that she hasn't heard it specifically as answer to her question, or maybe Nao mentioned a specific type of rhino. Probably a coincidence, but the narrator in "DEN OF THE MOLE RAT" does mention the "Southern White Rhino".
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The writing on the chalkboard is the same as in "Turn Off the Lights".
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  • "List the things you love" has appeared two other times that I know of. First in an image in Miku's Chapter 1 event "Nightvision", which seems likely connected to Pareidolia. Second, Kaori says it one of the times that she's in Tojo Ramen.
  • "Stop Looking for Answers" is something Maya says, but I think Pareidolia has also said it.

The twin thing has been bugging me since I saw it while replaying Chapter 1. There technically is one twin mentioned in the game, as Nodoka has the supposed evil twin Shiori, but that seems unlikely to be related.

I haven't come up with any concrete ideas, but here are some clues that might be relevant. The hex text above the twin message is exactly what the upside down, T-posing Ami says in "Trinity pt. I" (and she also says she has nightvision, i.e. can see more in the dark)
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Strangely, she doesn't count herself as one the things cuddled up beside him, even if you're having sex with her, so maybe this is some alternate version of Ami.

One other thing that might be a hint toward twins, but is a stretch: in "Rewrite" the narrator talks about seeing "our children's seventh birthday", implying the narrator and Sensei could have (or will have in the future) multiple children together that share a single birthday. Later in the event this is "corrected" to "our childrens' seventh birthdays". Given the change in both the apostrophe and the plural, it doesn't seem likely to just be a typo (and in any case Sel has been pretty diligent about going back to correct old typos).
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Since I brought up the "Trinity pt. I" hallway scene, there's another thing about it that mystifies me. When the girls appear upside down, Ayane and Futaba are looking away from Sensei, which is not their normal dorm pose (we can't see where Miku, Rin, or Maya are looking). Then when they're right-side up, they're looking at Sensei.
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I can't think of what would connect Ayane and Futaba but no one else.
 

SeZ2041

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Selebus posted instructions on how to update LiL RenPY version in his discord. Please note, that renpy is not guaranteing that saves, made with manually upgraded renpy would work in newer versions of LiL. Backup your saves if you consider to manually update renpy.

Good news is that Selebus will update renpy eventually, so I suggest to not manually update it if old renpy is steal bearable for you

PS brace yourself, new wave of "My saves are broken" incoming
Now I know why my save file disappeared
 

PhiloPhilo

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Is there any speculation as to why more and more characters are becoming aware of not just temporal inconsistencies or odd behaviors, but seemingly paranormal events/entities/locations? Or is it simply a consequence of the narrator / Akira / player becoming more aware/doing more, or because the story has to actually go somewhere (like the dark path)? I took a couple long breaks and haven't read up on everything people have mentioned (haven't even commented before) so I'm just wondering if I'm missing hints or forgetting parts.
 

Yarazin

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Even with Maki, one of the things that confused me about Chapter 4 was suddenly I could go get a BJ again at the Porn shop, but I don't recall or remember and event where Maki told us that she stopped her celibacy kick.
Those kind of things bug the crap out of me. Why can Sensei visit the girls again and stuff if we still haven't had a conversation with them. I try to avoid all that shitty part of the sandbox.
 

Moonflare

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Is there any speculation as to why more and more characters are becoming aware of not just temporal inconsistencies or odd behaviors, but seemingly paranormal events/entities/locations? Or is it simply a consequence of the narrator / Akira / player becoming more aware/doing more, or because the story has to actually go somewhere (like the dark path)? I took a couple long breaks and haven't read up on everything people have mentioned (haven't even commented before) so I'm just wondering if I'm missing hints or forgetting parts.
It has been hinted that it's because this cycle has been going for way longer than it should have. Their memories are adjusted with each reset, but it's supposed to be surface level - and then when a new cycle begins, everyone is factory reset. In this cycle however, they're starting to have to account for years of inconsistencies which is making everyone struggle with adjusting memories = remember more.

it has been said that the wishing well has dried up too, this may be related to that. All in all, your intuition was right, as it could be said that it's because this version of Akira has been staying around longer than what was expected.
 

PhiloPhilo

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It has been hinted that it's because this cycle has been going for way longer than it should have. Their memories are adjusted with each reset, but it's supposed to be surface level - and then when a new cycle begins, everyone is factory reset. In this cycle however, they're starting to have to account for years of inconsistencies which is making everyone struggle with adjusting memories = remember more.

it has been said that the wishing well has dried up too, this may be related to that. All in all, your intuition was right, as it could be said that it's because this version of Akira has been staying around longer than what was expected.
That makes sense and is probably the extremely obvious answer. It just kind of feels like there's a difference between people having had memories they shouldn't have earlier, and the ones now. That might be me overthinking it or missing something, though. I suppose that is the point since there's more deviation within the cycle as well as its own weirdness.

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Still don't fully understand a lot such as the wishing well, and not sure if that's solely because it's not supposed to be fully explained yet, or partially because I'm missing something. Playing the game in patches over a long time will do that, though. Probably need to revisit or look up a couple things.
 

Vega Cifer

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Sorry if I'm late, and probably someone did it before, but just finished the update and wanted to share the triggers for the events for anyone that might be looking for them:

Yasu1 = Needs Touka camping event. Autoplays Sunday morning.
Yasu2/3 = Autoplays Saturday night. Yasu3 is the main unlocker of the rest of the events.
Maki = Porn shop + lust>5 + Yasu3.
Futaba = Dorms + lust>25 + Yasu3.
Haruka = Cafe + weekend + Yasu3. Rin autoplays after.
Io1/2/3 = Bathhouse + weekday + Yasu3.
Uta1 = Yasu3. Autoplays Saturday morning.
Uta2 = Autoplays Wednesday night.
Noriko1 = Convenience store + love>30 + Yasu3.
Noriko2 = Uta1. Autoplays Sunday afternoon.
Kirin = Noriko1. Autoplays Saturday afternoon.
Wakana1/2 + Imani1/2 = Yasu3 + Uta2 + Noriko2 + Kirin + Io2. Autoplays Saturday morning.
Thanks, this is really helpful. I see rin has an event too, is anything needed for that? Nevermind, I am truly slow LOL. Just saw rin autoplays
 
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Moonflare

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That makes sense and is probably the extremely obvious answer. It just kind of feels like there's a difference between people having had memories they shouldn't have earlier, and the ones now. That might be me overthinking it or missing something, though. I suppose that is the point since there's more deviation within the cycle as well as its own weirdness.

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Still don't fully understand a lot such as the wishing well, and not sure if that's solely because it's not supposed to be fully explained yet, or partially because I'm missing something. Playing the game in patches over a long time will do that, though. Probably need to revisit or look up a couple things.
Those things should not be the same, as you pointed out. Nodoka is hinted to have a connection to the world itself, and Noriko is led by Nao-chan. Tsuneyo is hinted to have a connection to Wires, the girls that remember (everything) all have a connection to the roof.

One other point of interest is that this cycle isn't randomly happening, it was engineered to be this way by foreign entities. Akira remembering, Maya giving in, Ayane surviving, Nao-chan being sent as help, Spring arriving - all of this is part of a larger plan (or to be more accurate multiple plans to make this cycle different). So definitely it isn't all just because the cycle is taking longer, since the reason it's taking longer isn't random.

Edit: I should probably give a concrete example. So, Noriko's school sinks in, that brings her to Akira's school, which leads to her giving him a box with Niki's letters - that's the moment he remembers his first memory of being the real Akira. Fast-forward a few hours, he ends the night on a roof with Maya, Noodles and Himawari. This was not a random event that just happened. Another example: Himawari shows up to sell Akira the very same scarf that Maya had when Akira accepted her feelings, she breaks down when receiving it, which kickstarts her giving in process. There are many such cases of things being nudged in a specific way.
 
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Comiies

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These latest Nodoka moments were quite a treat i must say.But i want to talk about her for a bit.

Personally i dont think Nodoka will be extremely important in the grand scheme of things,as someone like Noriko would.No instead i believe she will be LiLs own Icarus.Her curiosity will consume her and then we will have to pick up the pieces.It would be quite fitting.Anywho another thing i wanna talk about is the matter of resets.Now that Maya prime as the people in this thread have taken to calling her is gone,who will reset the world?Will the world need another reset?
 
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