Indeed, I feel the same. On this website I've found great games that I wouldn't have even known existed
It certainly has helped the majority of games that are listed here. There's also the fact that a lot of people support the games because they like them, not simply because they want them early. So while it can reduce potential revenue a game makes, a lot of people will decide to support it anyway. As well as that, the more a game is put out on this website, the more people will play, and in turn potentially support it
Having said that, seeing as Sel releases the game for free after 2 weeks anyway, this game in particular isn't being helped from the leaks. Because he would allow it to be here when it was agreed to be anyway
Smaller games can benefit from the leaks, as they will gain the publicity to really get going. But larger games like this, or games that release their updates for free at a later date, won't benefit
So while he has hit all of his targets, it's only natural to want to grow the game even more, and gain more support. As well as that, the patrons deserve to receive their benefits for supporting the game. Which includes the benefit of an early release, which a leak denies them
So overall, leaking lessons in love just denies people of their benefits, and reduces the amount of increased support it can receive per update
As far as finding out about games, the same can be said of me with this game specifically. It was only through this site that I found this game. On the rest, I agree. If Selebus wasn't allowing the game to be released free after a short period anyway, the leaks would pose a potential benefit as that gives the possibility of playing to players who can't afford to pay. However, because it is released free after two weeks, that reasoning does not apply. Another valid point is the size of the game, not file size, but the following whether the entire following supports it or not monetarily. Bigger games, like this one, won't gain anything from leaks. They only stand to lose as people move from official source links to pirate source links, which isn't guaranteed, but is a threat. I keep forgetting certain tiers have a slightly earlier release, and here I am thinking of moving to one such tier without even taking that into consideration, I was just going to download with the $5 tier like the $5 patrons and I already do. There's a few more benefits out there, but I'll let people read those themselves if they're truly interested.
You do know that piracy in itself isn't the main point, it's people being unable to wait two weeks to get it for free; that someone who supports him leaks the game, when a two-week wait isn't going to deprive anyone of enjoying this game.
That''s exactly it, some of us patrons don't have a direct problem with piracy, such as myself, but the wait between public and patron versions just doesn't warrant it in this case, it's just two weeks.
It's not that they are unable to wait they would wait but since the update is available people will download it. The cat is already out of bag it's pointless to bitch about it. Only think he can do is ask on his patreon page to not leak his game too early that's it.
Or he could take measures like bringing the ban hammer down and exiling patrons who leak it like some other developers do. As a patron, I would be perfectly fine with that since I will never see it come down on me as leaking goes against my own code. I may be a pirate, but whoever said there is no honor among thieves was wrong on this thief specifically. I only do it when there is no other option.
There's also the option of restricting download links to patron builds to messages, which is not foolproof, but is more secure against leaking. I have another developer, a modder for Koikatsu, who does this and no patron version has been leaked in a long time.
As far as pointlessness, that does not matter, he can complain if he wants.
I’d like to point out what seems to me an obvious flaw in reasoning that “leaked = F95 bad”: specifically that the origin is a particular member on Paetron.
I’m reading between the lines in that a specific account on Paetron has been responsible for these. Logic (to me) would dictate that the frustration is with Paetron (or at least the community there).
I realise I don’t visit as often as some / most, but aside from a few things like sentiments on the recent Miku updates; I don’t see much negativity for this VN/game here.
Just because there’s active discussion of the title doesn’t mean there aren’t a dozen other places where the leak gets posted at the same time.
The patron(s) in question is/are more of an enabling factor for the issue than the actual issue itself.
It feels like people in this thread just want to feel validated on their piracy habits (which I don't actually judge, since I indulge myself and only pay for the things I really like) so much, they need to reinforce in every reply how beneficial piracy is for games and it's not at all morally dubious and a dev just obligated to be happy with whatever it is we doing here, since his bottom line isn't hurting.
Aw, what's that? You don't like when your game getting leaked on the first day of its release to patreons, you greedy swine? You already making good money, how dare you be mildly critical and say its effects your mental health, when there are children starving in Africa. Selebus should really think of starving children and shut his greedy mouth. You see, I'm basically Jesus Christ himself, so when I benevolently grace his game with my attention, he should be forever grateful. Something like that.
No judgement here, since that would be throwing a stone from inside a glass house, but that does seem to be the case. The thing is that some of the listed justifications are factually untrue. No developer needs to be happy about it, benefits don't apply to larger games like this one, and it is actually VERY morally dubious. Hell, as unlikely as it is, just having this site in our history is a potential threat of law enforcement coming down on us because of the nature of the site. The only thing keeping that from happening is how little enforcement actually happens against piracy, at best you'll get an ISP notice to knock it off or lose your internet.
The rest is going a bit far, don't you think? I don't mean the point, I mean the tone you used.
Are you being sarcastic? If so, could you indicate with something such as
/s please? Unfortunately in this age and time there are real people who would say things like you for real and feel completely validated, so I can't really tell
Thanks!
Some of it was definite sarcasm, but some was not. I found it pretty clear which was which, actually, but you're right, some people may not.
I'll just comment on this part, cause I'm not awake enough to put my thoughts in the right order for the piracy part.
Check the reviews. There's quite a few recent reviews that are negative towards the game. I don't agree with them whatsoever, but they're still entitled to their own opinion. Unfortunately, Sel takes them to heart.
He does, which is a sign of a good developer. While he is sticking to his own vision, he is also not completely ignoring his players. I also disagree with the negative reviews because a majority of the negativity boils down to people not liking elements that are inherent in this type of game, especially the Denpa aspects. That was a pretty widespread complaint for some time, that there was 'too much darkness' going on or something like that. Then there's the complaints about there being consequences that people completely miss because they didn't read or didn't get to an event in time. Then finally the complaints about certain puzzles needing certain things like sound.
Possibly - as
Selebus is
or was very active is this community.
He was sharing updates freely, and communicating with all of us here! (Often!)
Not really fair releasing an (early) update - with this game -
all things considered.
Just my personal opinion - as a former staff.
But being a part of F95Zone - is a double edged sword.
Great for early exposure - kind of hurts -
sometimes - when you are popular.
Amazing game - one of the best writers and story tellers -
I have ever experienced!!! Period (And I have play tons of games)
As for "reining things back in?" - not so sure?
Everyone has their opinion - mine says - let the 2 short weeks expire - then update this thread - others differ.
Best to let the community - be it - good, bad or otherwise - openly decide.
Hopefully - some will join him on
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- as I have recently done!
Cheers
Very well said
