Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.44.0] [Selebus]

[Kitty Hawk]

Some theories:
1. Maya stole Sensei's id and other documents which had his name on it. Perhaps some of it is packed in mysterious boxes
2. Why there aren't any pictures of Sekai in Sensei's home? Because it was triggering Sensei's blackouts(like the one he had in the first grave trip) so Ami had to remove it

 

[hario1225]

Ok time for a shitty theory that is a trip, whoever jumped in the first scene wasn't Akira, it is "us" the spectator, that is why in one beach event the narrator talks to us "you're not supposed to see this, but I opened a door just for you", User1 is Akira and User2 is the spectator, User2 is what we control, maybe we are teaching Akira love.

Well, it is Lessons In Love afterall

 

[DeSkel15]

Ok time for a shitty theory that is a trip, whoever jumped in the first scene wasn't Akira, it is "us" the spectator, that is why in one beach event the narrator talks to us "you're not supposed to see this, but I opened a door just for you", User1 is Akira and User2 is the spectator, User2 is what we control, maybe we are teaching Akira love.

I could see us being a part of User1 (just being hacked by Nozomu/angels at times), but User2 seems to be very likely to be a separate being, if not the god of wires, which may be the system itself. It asking for permission to do stuff and being implied to be responsible for resets, etc, doesn't really make me think it's us or it cares all that much about love.

I do think it's possible we're User4 though, and when we choose for Sensei to go hang out with the girls, or to betray Rin etc, that's User4/Us using Sensei for our own means. We are the 4th god which just recently showed up, and is the main reason current Sensei has survived so long. Simply because we want to know what's next. Of course, we could also just be a part of User1 instead, and User4 is completely separate. User1 could be Us, the Angels, Current Sensei, and the Old Senseis, (plus whoever else) all in one. A shared account.

I do think it being Us who jumped does make sense though. At least for now.

 

[derekthered56]

I mean...

The accident irrevocably alters Akira's life, and %98 of his internal conflict is his refusal to process the emotions created by it.

I don't think Akira was a nihilist prior to that event. I think his detached view was born the instant Sekai died. "Why bother loving someone if they're just going to die?"

I can't recall which event, but at one point Akira muses that he used to wrap his fingers around his leg, and once he grew too big to do that he realized he was unhappy. So he had a negative personality pretty early on, the accident just kicked it into overdrive.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Ok time for a shitty theory that is a trip, whoever jumped in the first scene wasn't Akira, it is "us" the spectator, that is why in one beach event the narrator talks to us "you're not supposed to see this, but I opened a door just for you", User1 is Akira and User2 is the spectator, User2 is what we control, maybe we are teaching Akira love.

I could see us being a part of User1 (just being hacked by Nozomu/angels at times), but User2 seems to be very likely to be a separate being, if not the god of wires, which may be the system itself. It asking for permission to do stuff and being implied to be responsible for resets, etc, doesn't really make me think it's us or it cares all that much about love.

I do think it's possible we're User4 though, and when we choose for Sensei to go hang out with the girls, or to betray Rin etc, that's User4/Us using Sensei for our own means. We are the 4th god which just recently showed up, and is the main reason current Sensei has survived so long. Simply because we want to know what's next. Of course, we could also just be a part of User1 instead, and User4 is completely separate. User1 could be Us, the Angels, Current Sensei, and the Old Senseis, (plus whoever else) all in one. A shared account.

I do think it being Us who jumped does make sense though. At least for now.

huh...
I always took user 1,2,3,4 etc to be a message being delivered to Akira/player that most of the answers are on the laptop.
the laptop originally belonged to his brother, thus user 1 is nozumu. user 2 is akira who got the laptop couldnt figure out user 1s password so made his own account. user 3 and 4 is ami and maya because akira let them use it... (think user 3 is maya then ami got upset or jealous and got to be user 4) someone figured out nozumu's password though. (think it has documentation/video of all the women he f'd with proving some if not most of the girls akira knows is related to him)

 

[DeSkel15]

huh...
I always took user 1,2,3,4 etc to be a message being delivered to Akira/player that all the answers are on the laptop.
the laptop originally belonged to his brother, thus user 1 is nozumu. user 2 is akira who got the laptop couldnt figure out user 1s password so made his own account. user 3 and 4 is ami and maya because akira let them use it... (think user 3 is maya then ami got upset or jealous and got to be user 4) someone figured out nozumu's password though. (think it has documentation/video of all the women he f'd with proving some if not most of the girls akira knows is related to him)

I mean, maybe? It doesn't really seem to fit imo. Maya knows Sensei's password so her needing her own user seems unlikely, I also think Ami knows his password and has her own laptop anyway. Btw, do you recall when Sensei's computer was noted to belong to his brother?

Anyway, like I showed in an earlier post:

I recommend checking out the first Happy Event:

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A computer with the same smiley face that shows up on Tsuneyo's shirt later, appears in the first Happy event, along with a bowl of Ramen and a Sparrow/Noodles(?), and is rather blatantly "User2".

If it's not Tsuneyo's "father", then it's a huge plot twist at this point.

I'm not sure why Ami is even considered a possibility for User2, tbh. User4? Maybe. I can see a couple characters becoming User4.

User2 is almost guaranteed to be the god of wires and is likely related to Tsuneyo. User1 presumably even pretends to be User2 in order to scare Maya into believing she was about to be reset in the Scary room, which wouldn't make much sense if User2 was just Sensei. Sensei also requests User2 to help him in the 2nd reset event, then gave it his password.

User3 gave it's name as Pareidolia, and is the concerned god. They are the one who talks in lower case, aids Sensei at times, and is growing stronger.

User4 is up in the air, with it being reserved all that's really known, while User1 seems to have multiple beings using it and goes offline during the reset puzzles. It also was actually shown to have account sharing going on. User3/Pareidolia even kicked one user of User1 out, then took over, during Sana's last event.

I'm not saying the Users couldn't be the ones you've suggested, I just don't think it really fits what the Users have done.

 

[KnowNoHope]

I mean, maybe? It doesn't really seem to fit imo. Maya knows Sensei's password so her needing her own user seems unlikely, I also think Ami knows his password and has her own laptop anyway. Btw, do you recall when Sensei's computer was noted to belong to his brother?

Anyway, like I showed in an earlier post:


User2 is almost guaranteed to be the god of wires and is likely related to Tsuneyo. User1 presumably even pretends to be User2 in order to scare Maya into believing she was about to be reset in the Scary room, which wouldn't make much sense if User2 was just Sensei. Sensei also requests User2 to help him in the 2nd reset event, then gave it his password.

User3 gave it's name as Pareidolia, and is the concerned god. They are the one who talks in lower case, aids Sensei at times, and is growing stronger.

User4 is up in the air, with it being reserved all that's really known, while User1 seems to have multiple beings using it and goes offline during the reset puzzles. It also was actually shown to have account sharing going on. User3/Pareidolia even kicked one user of User1 out, then took over, during Sana's last event.

I'm not saying the Users couldn't be the ones you've suggested, I just don't think it really fits what the Users have done.

oh no, it was never noted as belonging to nozumu, that is conjecture on my part. just stating it lines up narrativly speaking. also knowing his password doesnt mean you dont want a section of the computer that is yours, i could see a young maya after being let to use the computer just making an account just to do it(she seemed to be very poor from story context and anything she got for herself was probably valuable to her)
the only thing that seemed to be concrete storywise was that user1 is hope which from what I've gathered reading various theories is also nozumu. So I just took the obscurification and symbolism of users and made it a literal interpretation of users for the laptop. the only reason i could think of why nozumu and not sensei is user 1 is if the laptop originally belonged to him.
because user 2 is akira based on the note on the wall and the event 'there is nothing' you login as user 2 with the boobies password... kind of implies the computer wasnt originally akira's
also as long as you have the right password you can log on to any of the other accounts... fully think 'god of wires' switches accounts like crazy... but i also think god of wires is basically a representation or aspect of ami, not tsuneyo's dad

edit: main reason why i think user 4 is ami, you get next to no interactions from user 3 that i am aware of and maya presents herself as not understanding whats gong on or in control really...and i still think ami is he one pulling the strings and doesnt need to use user 4 since the other accounts she has access to has more control

2nd edit: huh i thought it was user 4 that f'd with maya in the scary room, nope user 2 did it
3rd edit: maya didnt write the note with the password for akira... someone else clearly knows what his password is and could easily have access to his room to pin that note up... kind of limits options on who did it... and who would try to fake being maya. or i guess makoto

 

[DeSkel15]

because user 2 is akira based on the note on the wall and the event 'there is nothing' you login as user 2 with the boobies password... kind of implies the computer wasnt originally akira's
also as long as you have the right password you can log on to any of the other accounts... fully think 'god of wires' switches accounts like crazy... but i also think god of wires is basically a representation or aspect of ami, not tsuneyo's dad

edit: main reason why i think user 4 is ami, you get next to no interactions from user 3 that i am aware of and maya presents herself as not understanding whats gong on or in control really...and i still think ami is he one pulling the strings and doesnt need to use user 4 since the other accounts she has access to has more control

2nd edit: huh i thought it was user 4 that f'd with maya in the scary room, nope user 2 did it
3rd edit: maya didnt write the note with the password for akira... someone else clearly knows what his password is and could easily have access to his room to pin that note up... kind of limits options on who did it... and who would try to fake being maya. or i guess makoto

Actually you're not logging in as any of the Users in "There is nothing". You're requesting help from them, which is why you end up giving User2 your password so they can help you. In other words you're asking the god of wires whose been implied to be responsible for the resets for help during that reset, which is how you escape. (It's also likely that that is who Maya prays to, to reset the world.)

User1 is also said to be offline if you request them, User3 straight up denies you, and User4 is said to be reserved. (If you type in "Hope" though, you'll get a Happy Scene)

User3 actually shows up in a Happy Event, a Yumi event, and a Sana event. Maybe in others, but they do rarely show up.

It also wasn't actually User2 that screwed with Maya in the Scary Room. User1 trolled her by pretending to be User2.

The MM note also says they don't know your password. Maya actually does know it which is why she says that the note is not from her. (Btw, Miku, Maki, Molly, Makoto, and Maya all have MM initials, making it even harder to figure out who it is actually from. If we've even met them yet.)

 

[DeSkel15]

Btw, Sensei is into Femdom confirmed:

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[Bingoogus]

Btw, Sensei is into Femdom confirmed:

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Dunno if i'd call him a sub even after Sekai 'trained' him but he definitely is willing to go to distant lengths to make peepee feel good.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Actually you're not logging in as any of the Users in "There is nothing". You're requesting help from them, which is why you end up giving User2 your password so they can help you. In other words you're asking the god of wires whose been implied to be responsible for the resets for help during that reset, which is how you escape. (It's also likely that that is who Maya prays to, to reset the world.)

User1 is also said to be offline if you request them, User3 straight up denies you, and User4 is said to be reserved. (If you type in "Hope" though, you'll get a Happy Scene)

User3 actually shows up in a Happy Event, a Yumi event, and a Sana event. Maybe in others, but they do rarely show up.

It also wasn't actually User2 that screwed with Maya in the Scary Room. User1 trolled her by pretending to be User2.

The MM note also says they don't know your password. Maya actually does know it which is why she says that the note is not from her. (Btw, Miku, Maki, Molly, Makoto, and Maya all have MM initials, making it even harder to figure out who it is actually from. If we've even met them yet.)

by the way... notice that the room with clocks wall pattern matches the pattern of the room he tutored noriko and maya in...
almost like they are the same room but from different standing position/pespecive and with all the items removed.
which for intents and purposes of this discussion is also the room tsuneyo's dad is stored in based on my theory earlier. and you see the ramen, noodles, and such because of that, not because this dude is the god of wires...

Spoiler: same room

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oh as for MM initials the makoto thing was meant to be a joke and yes there are mltipe girls with MM initials that could be the one that did it... but how many of them have/had direct access to sensei's room, not throwing it out a different girl put it there but i think we are beng lied to by someone... and i think its mainly ami
also, do you have this written down somewhere? because that was a fast response for all the instances of users in the game
,,, where did he get the password from then, must have misremembered it was from the note

 

[DeSkel15]

Dunno if i'd call him a sub even after Sekai 'trained' him but he definitely is willing to go to distant lengths to make peepee feel good.

Honestly, the more I played this the more I realized how submissive Sensei really is. Even the type he's into (Sekai, Niki, Maya) seems to be blatantly in control of the relationship most of the time.

Osako has literally stepped on him, Yuki tends to mostly make fun of him, Kirin has blackmailed him so that she can traumatize Ayane, Nodoka and Makoto have had their way with him in different ways, Ami has made him cuck Noriko, Rin has made him her backup date, Uta-chan has him wrapped around her finger, Etc.

 

[DeSkel15]

by the way... notice that the room with clocks wall pattern matches the pattern of the room he tutored noriko and maya in...
almost like they are the same room but from different standing position/pespecive and with all the items removed.
which for intents and purposes of this discussion is also the room tsuneyo's dad is stored in based on my theory earlier. and you see the ramen, noodles, and such because of that, not because this dude is the god of wires...

Spoiler: same room

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oh as for MM initials the makoto thing was meant to be a joke and yes there are mltipe girls with MM initials that could be the one that did it... but how many of them have/had direct access to sensei's room, not throwing it out a different girl put it there but i think we are beng lied to by someone... and i think its mainly ami
also, do you have this written down somewhere? because that was a fast response for all the instances of users in the game
,,, where did he get the password from then, must have misremembered it was from the note

Yep the room with the clocks is virtually guaranteed to be based off where he tutored Noriko and Maya (his apartment). Still not entirely convinced on the Tsuneyo dad's room thing being where he tutored, tbh.

MM initials: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if someone's lying or at least had their memory altered.

Users: I have good memory for things that don't actually matter, and I recently just replayed There is Nothing and a couple events I recalled User3 in.

Password: After appearing in this world, Current Sensei mentioned he couldn't find out his passwords for stuff so he changed all of his passwords to Boobies123, which is just something he always does in the loops apparently. So, he actually told the player the password which was something you're meant to remember for the puzzle.

 

[Bingoogus]

Honestly, the more I played this the more I realized how submissive Sensei really is. Even the type he's into (Sekai, Niki, Maya) seems to be blatantly in control of the relationship most of the time.

Osako has literally stepped on him, Yuki tends to mostly make fun of him, Kirin has blackmailed him so that she can traumatize Ayane, Nodoka and Makoto have had their way with him in different ways, Ami has made him cuck Noriko, Rin has made him her backup date, Uta-chan has him wrapped around her finger, Etc.

I still don't think he's a sub by nature, he just wants to get his dick wet, a true test of comparison would be how he reacts to being dominated when sex isn't on the menu, like for other things in which, for the few examples i can think, he comes across as less of a sub and more of a general pushover. He just doesn't strike me as a guy who gets off on being dominated, he just likes sex, however he can get it.

 

[DeSkel15]

I still don't think he's a sub by nature, he just wants to get his dick wet, a true test of comparison would be how he reacts to being dominated when sex isn't on the menu, like for other things in which, for the few examples i can think, he comes across as less of a sub and more of a general pushover. He just doesn't strike me as a guy who gets off on being dominated, he just likes sex, however he can get it.

Yeah I'm not saying it's the only way he can get off, but I think there's been plenty of times where he's not been in control and still got off. Like literally since he was a kid.

Him saying he'd submit to Yuki kind of shows he's not against it. Then again he's apparently came while cockroaches were biting his cockhead so.. there's probably not much that can turn him off.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Yep the room with the clocks is virtually guaranteed to be based off where he tutored Noriko and Maya (his apartment). Still not entirely convinced on the Tsuneyo dad's room thing being where he tutored, tbh.

MM initials: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if someone's lying or at least had their memory altered.

Users: I have good memory for things that don't actually matter, and I recently just replayed There is Nothing and a couple events I recalled User3 in.

Password: After appearing in this world, Current Sensei mentioned he couldn't find out his passwords for stuff so he changed all of his passwords to Boobies123, which is just something he always does in the loops apparently. So, he actually told the player the password which was something you're meant to remember for the puzzle.

right, think i remember that scene where sensei says that now.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Actually you're not logging in as any of the Users in "There is nothing". You're requesting help from them, which is why you end up giving User2 your password so they can help you. In other words you're asking the god of wires whose been implied to be responsible for the resets for help during that reset, which is how you escape. (It's also likely that that is who Maya prays to, to reset the world.)

huh... I take all the metaphysical representations and see it as symbolism for real world physical interactions that his perceptions (word of the day, YAY!) is being forcibly altered to avoid breaking sensei... prime example of this being the case... Akira. the fact you used the computer to log in and you have to type User2 as the user and then sensei's password in as the password in the shitty event (life of prizes) and for (there is nothing) makes me think he is user 2 for the computer.
the question isnt in regards to 'the god of wires' assuming control in (there is nothing) but in giving control back to akira. Because as soon as you put the password in the event ends

someone other than user2 was in control, considering how infantile 'make peepee feel good' he is and his responses are in the happy events, mental breaks where he rapes sara, and other such things I think its a metaphor for sensei (user2) regaining control... not giving it up
akira goes back to being an articulate sensei right after the events end instead of sounding like a neanderthal or disappearing into nothing like everyone else

 

[Bingoogus]

Yeah I'm not saying it's the only way he can get off, but I think there's been plenty of times where he's not been in control and still got off. Like literally since he was a kid.

Him saying he'd submit to Yuki kind of shows he's not against it. Then again he's apparently came while cockroaches were biting his cockhead so.. there's probably not much that can turn him off.

You're argument for him being submissive is the same as my argument for him not being a sub, one can be submissive without being a submissive. I'm a sub, Akira is not, but he will submit for sex, it's the sex he wants, not the submission, unlike for subs, like me.

I feel like we're chasing each other in a circle, orbiting around the exact same point but missing the exact wording we need to conclusively agree with each other.

 

[KnowNoHope]

by they way DeSkel15
you happen to know what the ramen shop number note said in english

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I know it says ramen twice... last 4 characters in both lines is that
looks like it has the same 'to' in Tokyo too in the first line... kinda of assuming first line says tojo ramen
East Branch Ramen

 

[Reaku67]

by they way DeSkel15
you happen to know what the ramen shop number note said in english

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I know it says ramen twice... last 4 characters in both lines is that
looks like it has the same 'to' in Tokyo too in the first line... kinda of assuming first line says tojo ramen
East Branch Ramen

Tojo Ramen (東条ラーメン)
Tori Shio Ramen (鳥塩ラーメン)