Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.44.0] [Selebus]

[DeSkel15]

You're argument for him being submissive is the same as my argument for him not being a sub, one can be submissive without being a submissive. I'm a sub, Akira is not, but he will submit for sex, it's the sex he wants, not the submission, unlike for subs, like me. I feel like we're chasing each other in a circle, orbiting around the exact same point but missing the exact wording we need to conclusively agree with each other.

See, I never said he was "a sub".

I said he's into femdom (willing to submit to a woman sexually) and is submissive (and not just for sex, Maya can tell him what to do, like not to open a box and he won't even if he wants to).

I do agree that Sensei isn't just submissive though.

 

[DeSkel15]

huh... I take all the metaphysical representations and see it as symbolism for real world physical interactions that his perceptions (word of the day, YAY!) is being forcibly altered to avoid breaking sensei... prime example of this being the case... Akira. the fact you used the computer to log in and you have to type User2 as the user and then sensei's password in as the password in the shitty event (life of prizes) and for (there is nothing) makes me think he is user 2 for the computer.
the question isnt in regards to 'the god of wires' assuming control in (there is nothing) but in giving control back to akira. Because as soon as you put the password in the event ends
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someone other than user2 was in control, considering how infantile 'make peepee feel good' he is and his responses are in the happy events, mental breaks where he rapes sara, and other such things I think its a metaphor for sensei (user2) regaining control... not giving it up
akira goes back to being an articulate sensei right after the events end instead of sounding like a neanderthal or disappearing into nothing like everyone else

Some of the meta stuff is him trying to protect himself, (like ignoring his name), but a lot of it is also something else interfering. The resets and supernatural stuff can't just be symbolism, as it actually affects people and the world.

I get where you're coming from, but you connect to User2 and then you give it your system password so that it can assume control, not you. The reason you go back to semi-normal is because it untangles your wires for you (likely debugs your terminal). This event "There is Nothing" is also when the god of wires is revealed, so that alone seems to imply User2 is related to it.

Btw, later on in "The Word of the day" reset event, User2 talks to you:

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They say a couple things like they can offer to guide you, want to protect you, and all you have to do is accept them, but they also make it clear that you don't know it.

User2 being Sensei doesn't make sense if Sensei doesn't even know it.

Overall: The only thing Sensei actually seems to be is Terminal 23. (I've been thinking he could be a part of User1 but in retrospect it seems more like the Users of User1 just sometimes consider themselves him. The one that took over User1 in Sana's event sees Sensei and says "I" then changes it to "he". So, users of User1 might just pretend to be Sensei sometimes, like how it has pretended to be User2. Although when Sensei went delirious in "There is Nothing", User1 was notably offline. So, maybe User1 is also his lucidity? Makes things even more complicated.)

 

[KnowNoHope]

Some of the meta stuff is him trying to protect himself, (like ignoring his name), but a lot of it is also something else interfering. The resets and supernatural stuff can't just be symbolism, as it actually affects people and the world.

I get where you're coming from, but you connect to User2 and then you give it your system password so that it can assume control, not you. The reason you go back to semi-normal is because it untangles your wires for you (likely debugs your terminal). This event "There is Nothing" is also when the god of wires is revealed, so that alone seems to imply User2 is related to it.

Btw, later on in "The Word of the day" reset event, User2 talks to you:

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They say a couple things like they can offer to guide you, want to protect you, and all you have to do is accept them, but they also make it clear that you don't know it.

User2 being Sensei doesn't make sense if Sensei doesn't even know it.

Overall: The only thing Sensei actually seems to be is Terminal 23. (I've been thinking he could be a part of User1 but in retrospect it seems more like the Users of User1 just sometimes consider themselves him. The one that took over User1 in Sana's event sees Sensei and says "I" then changes it to "he". So, users of User1 might just pretend to be Sensei sometimes, like how it has pretended to be User2. Although when Sensei went delirious in "There is Nothing", User1 was notably offline. So, maybe User1 is also his lucidity? Makes things even more complicated.)

- i didnt see anywhere in the event saying you were connecting to user two, i think that is something you have internalized as happening, (happens to all of us) (that or sel removed it like he has with other things)
- user 2 gets hacked and taken control of... all.. the... time. like an absurd amount of user 2 hacks, which line up real well with sensei losing control. user2 talking to us... in an event sensei has no control over... offering to 'guide' and 'control' him doesn't surprise me at all
- I don think I explained myself that great in regard to metaphysical representations...this hp lovecraftian b.s... so lets say i have this object, this object represents IDK lets say health, person 1 sees the object as a bottle of pills, person 2 sees the object as the Caduceus, person 3 sees the object as a gourd, so on and so on. but the object is none of those things and all of those things. locked inside his mind he is using real world physical objects to act as a mental focal point to interact and regain control. he perceived he was in his room and using his computer to reassert his identity. when he is trapped in his room with the puzzles that are not puzzles... he is actually trapped in his mind
-most definitely something much more deep is going on, but i dont think akira is actually able to percieve it, so it takes on aspects he can perceive and understands how to interact with.

 

[hario1225]

All these crazy theories I always stumble upon whenever I come back here

And I was just like: peepee goes phew phew

 

[KnowNoHope]

All these crazy theories I always stumble upon whenever I come back here

And I was just like: peepee goes phew phew

still best theory.

 

[DeSkel15]

- i didnt see anywhere in the event saying you were connecting to user two, i think that is something you have internalized as happening, (happens to all of us) (that or sel removed it like he has with other things)
- user 2 gets hacked and taken control of... all.. the... time. like an absurd amount of user 2 hacks, which line up real well with sensei losing control. user2 talking to us... in an event sensei has no control over... offering to 'guide' and 'control' him doesn't surprise me at all
- I don think I explained myself that great in regard to metaphysical representations...this hp lovecraftian b.s... so lets say i have this object, this object represents IDK lets say health, person 1 sees the object as a bottle of pills, person 2 sees the object as the Caduceus, person 3 sees the object as a gourd, so on and so on. but the object is none of those things and all of those things. locked inside his mind he is using real world physical objects to act as a mental focal point to interact and regain control. he perceived he was in his room and using his computer to reassert his identity. when he is trapped in his room with the puzzles that are not puzzles... he is actually trapped in his mind
-most definitely something much more deep is going on, but i dont think akira is actually able to percieve it, so it takes on aspects he can perceive and understands how to interact with.

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It's literally why you're typing in a User.. lmao, I'm not the one internalizing here.

Hacked: User2 doesn't get hacked. If it did, it'd likely be game over. Characters get "hacked" and their "wires" get tangled.

Meta: I get where you're coming from, but you're confusing your theories for facts instead of just theories. Just because it could be symbolizing or implying something, it doesn't mean that's all it is doing or if it's actually doing that at all when it could just be trying to make you think that, or it's simply the easiest way to comprehend the idea of what's actually going on. Simply ignoring the possibility that supernatural stuff is actually going on, is just holding you back. I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's always better to have an open mind.

Akira: I agree with this. See, the actual plot twist seems to be that Sensei doesn't really matter as much as we think. He's not the only one seeing things. He's not that unique. Ami, Maya, Sara, and Sana, plus Nodoka, and likely others are going through things in the background that Sensei has no idea about, nor do we yet. They black out, see beings, and in Sana's case is getting her lust screwed with. In Sara's case, she may actually be a being. In other words, what Sensei perceives likely doesn't even matter that much. Perception isn't actually reality, it's just how one sees it. Him seeing a computer god or someone telling him about a god that is science incarnate in a dream, could just be his mind trying to understand this reality and the beings that are screwing with it. Same with HOPE, Nozomu, and the Mayas etc. Tbh, based off how the gods have different names for the girls and the girls we know have alliteration names, it's likely that we don't even know their actual names, nor does Sensei. Akira Arakawa may not even be his actual name, and Sekai (The World) itself, may be simply a fabrication. Akira having a brother named Nozomu who's name means Hope seems hard to believe as well.

Anyway, things are starting to get a little "too real", and my connection (heh) is shit at the moment, so let's just agree to disagree.

 

[hcguy]

See, I never said he was "a sub".

I said he's into femdom (willing to submit to a woman sexually) and is submissive (and not just for sex, Maya can tell him what to do, like not to open a box and he won't even if he wants to).

I do agree that Sensei isn't just submissive though.

There is a difference between being submissive and being apathetic - I think Sensei is far more the latter.

 

[Sirfappington123]

You guys think Touka was inspired by Sasha from advance wars? Both extremely wealthy teenage girls set to inherit a vast empire, they even look kinda similar.

Or maybe moving little tanks around for hours on end gave me brainrot.

 

[KnowNoHope]

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It's literally why you're typing in a User.. lmao, I'm not the one internalizing here.

Hacked: User2 doesn't get hacked. If it did, it'd likely be game over. Characters get "hacked" and their "wires" get tangled.

Meta: I get where you're coming from, but you're confusing your theories for facts instead of just theories. Just because it could be symbolizing or implying something, it doesn't mean that's all it is doing or if it's actually doing that at all when it could just be trying to make you think that, or it's simply the easiest way to comprehend the idea of what's actually going on. Simply ignoring the possibility that supernatural stuff is actually going on, is just holding you back. I mean, I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's always better to have an open mind.

Akira: I agree with this. See, the actual plot twist seems to be that Sensei doesn't really matter as much as we think. He's not the only one seeing things. He's not that unique. Ami, Maya, Sara, and Sana, plus Nodoka, and likely others are going through things in the background that Sensei has no idea about, nor do we yet. They black out, see beings, and in Sana's case is getting her lust screwed with. In Sara's case, she may actually be a being. In other words, what Sensei perceives likely doesn't even matter that much. Perception isn't actually reality, it's just how one sees it. Him seeing a computer god or someone telling him about a god that is science incarnate in a dream, could just be his mind trying to understand this reality and the beings that are screwing with it. Same with HOPE, Nozomu, and the Mayas etc. Tbh, based off how the gods have different names for the girls and the girls we know have alliteration names, it's likely that we don't even know their actual names, nor does Sensei. Akira Arakawa may not even be his actual name, and Sekai (The World) itself, may be simply a fabrication. Akira having a brother named Nozomu who's name means Hope seems hard to believe as well.

Anyway, things are starting to get a little "too real", and my connection (heh) is shit at the moment, so let's just agree to disagree.

sure that is fine
sorry if you were getting mad or frustrated but i was havng a blast
guess i did internalize it, took screen shots and everything before posting too after going trough the event...
weird how its different from other terminal service connections where you have to input your username and password

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Don't really see how this doesn't mean it's not sensei reconnecting himself after being essentially booted off

 

[fdsasdf_p]

Possibly, but I'm not sure why it'd only do that for Nodoka. Keep in mind, the shapeshifter never swallowed anything in front of Sensei who is presumed to be her father. Just Nodoka. In fact it may have never even appeared with a toy car to Sensei. Instead it was Long Maya.

(replying an old comment, sorry!)

Going back to fish out some clues really yields nothing LOL; the case of psychotic Nodoka is too hard for me to crack. If only the shapeshifter was holding a toy car here in the scene then this shit would be more straightforward, but no she wasn't.

Spoiler: c'mon car

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Not only is identity of the entity still elusive but also the "purpose" of these dreams. The more I look into the dreams she had seems to be taking place in the upside down house (flashing upside down cottage image and the mentioning of something grey and edible). But whatever for? And, why Nodoka?

These repeating dreams presumably become the trigger for Nodoka to temporarily journey outside of the wall and find the thing buried underneath our feet before everyone else does, everyone relevant tbh. I am guessing perhaps Nodoka having these dreams is not because of whoever/whatever's grand scheme of things, but somehow is unintentional due to Nodoka being hyper-perceptive and consequently accessing something that wasn't meant for her to see (in a similar sense to Sensei can see and Yasu can hear, Nodoka tapped into secrets of the world by accident because she's...too smart?).

If it wasn't Himawari's plan to have Nodoka find the thing it would make sense that Himawari wasn't sure about how or why Sensei and Nodoka made it out, even it was just temporary (or it just wasn't Himawari at all also works here ).

Speaking of the description of the dream entity, what are your thoughts on this?

Spoiler: They're the same as hers

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Nodoka was locking eyes with Sensei before saying this, so I assume she was talking about his eyes (glasses were too anticlimactic for me haha), but this would not fit either Himawari or Long Maya (though she did immediately after say I thought I understood but I don't understand anything, so perhaps this isn't something worth overanalyzing)

 

[barglenarglezous]

Not only is identity of the entity still elusive but also the "purpose" of these dreams. The more I look into the dreams she had seems to be taking place in the upside down house (flashing upside down cottage image and the mentioning of something grey and edible). But whatever for? And, why Nodoka?

This makes me wonder if the notebook Futaba hands Akira early in chapter 1 with the story of the upside down house was actually Nodoka's, since those two have been friends for a long time.

 

[KnowNoHope]

This makes me wonder if the notebook Futaba hands Akira early in chapter 1 with the story of the upside down house was actually Nodoka's, since those two have been friends for a long time.

not enough smut to be by nodoka
jk
good theory

 

[barglenarglezous]

not enough smut to be by nodoka
jk
good theory

I mean, the sentence structure and word choice are also beneath Nodoka's level, but the notebook having entirely different handwriting from Futaba is unusual.

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

Noriko and Kirin are also watching a movie about an upside down house with grey food in one of their early dorm events.

 

[CMPunk434]

What is the terminal number? I'm stuck!

 

[k1n5l4y3r]

What is the terminal number? I'm stuck!

Oh no if only we had a puzzle guide in the first page.

Img credit: Bingoogus.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Oh no if only we had a puzzle guide in the first page.

Img credit: Bingoogus.

Guys new theory
The puzzle guide doesn't exist on the first page until you go to the last page and ask for something that is in it.

 

[Bingoogus]

Guys new theory
The puzzle guide doesn't exist on the first page until you go to the last page and ask for something that is in it.

Schrödinger's guide.

 

[KnowNoHope]

So... game has a heavy amount of different birds in it... most of the girls are represented by birds. what bird do you want to see most next...
I want to see the shrike
Absolutely brutal bird that goes in kills anything it thinks is a threat or can be eaten and it carries it/drags it to a thorn bush and impales the body on it. The body drains of blood but people are not sure if that is done on purpose or not and then it uses the thorns as a brace while it rips strips of flesh off its food...some species do this while it's victim is still alive.
Sometimes called the butcher bird cause of how it cuts and rips up the body.
Super tiny bird looks cute too when it's not eating
I hope this is nodokas bird representation

 

[Bingoogus]

So... game has a heavy amount of different birds in it... most of the girls are represented by birds. what bird do you want to see most next...
I want to see the shrike
Absolutely brutal bird that goes in kills anything it thinks is a threat or can be eaten and it carries it/drags it to a thorn bush and impales the body on it. The body drains of blood but people are not sure if that is done on purpose or not and then it uses the thorns as a brace while it rips strips of flesh off its food...some species do this while it's victim is still alive.
Sometimes called the butcher bird cause of how it cuts and rips up the body.
Super tiny bird looks cute too when it's not eating
I hope this is nodokas bird representation

Wow, from your description i was expecting a vicious looking bird but upon googling it it's a cute little fluff ball with a hooked beak... somehow more awesome.

I know exactly which bird represents Yumi, an opossum.