Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.44.0] [Selebus]

[KnowNoHope]

Wow, from your description i was expecting a vicious looking bird but upon googling it it's a cute little fluff ball with a hooked beak... somehow more awesome.

I know exactly which bird represents Yumi, an opossum.

Best bird
I was going to go with magpie...
Cause she steals shit
But an opossum matches her 'I'm fucked up and angry enough to do it, I don't know what it is, but it's getting done, back off" threatening personality

 

[Bingoogus]

Best bird
I was going to go with magpie...
Cause she steals shit
But an opossum matches her 'I'm fucked up and angry enough to do it, I don't know what it is, but it's getting done, back off" threatening personality

Yep, i was also picturing her carrying Chinami on her back.

 

[DeSkel15]

There is a difference between being submissive and being apathetic - I think Sensei is far more the latter.

If he was actually apathetic he'd have, feel, and show no interest in sex or the girls, etc. He'd be more like an Asexual. He acts Apathetic because he thinks it's cool though. Hence why some of girls make fun of him for it.

 

[DeSkel15]

sorry if you were getting mad or frustrated but i was havng a blast

Oh, I was getting frustrated, but not because of you or anything. Pictures just wouldn't load and my connection was lagging and overall sucking. It's finally actually being competent. Albeit I'm not sure for how long.

 

[DeSkel15]

(replying an old comment, sorry!)

Going back to fish out some clues really yields nothing LOL; the case of psychotic Nodoka is too hard for me to crack. If only the shapeshifter was holding a toy car here in the scene then this shit would be more straightforward, but no she wasn't.

Spoiler: c'mon car

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Not only is identity of the entity still elusive but also the "purpose" of these dreams. The more I look into the dreams she had seems to be taking place in the upside down house (flashing upside down cottage image and the mentioning of something grey and edible). But whatever for? And, why Nodoka?

These repeating dreams presumably become the trigger for Nodoka to temporarily journey outside of the wall and find the thing buried underneath our feet before everyone else does, everyone relevant tbh. I am guessing perhaps Nodoka having these dreams is not because of whoever/whatever's grand scheme of things, but somehow is unintentional due to Nodoka being hyper-perceptive and consequently accessing something that wasn't meant for her to see (in a similar sense to Sensei can see and Yasu can hear, Nodoka tapped into secrets of the world by accident because she's...too smart?).

If it wasn't Himawari's plan to have Nodoka find the thing it would make sense that Himawari wasn't sure about how or why Sensei and Nodoka made it out, even it was just temporary (or it just wasn't Himawari at all also works here ).

Speaking of the description of the dream entity, what are your thoughts on this?

Spoiler: They're the same as hers

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Nodoka was locking eyes with Sensei before saying this, so I assume she was talking about his eyes (glasses were too anticlimactic for me haha), but this would not fit either Himawari or Long Maya (though she did immediately after say I thought I understood but I don't understand anything, so perhaps this isn't something worth overanalyzing)

Virtually all of that fits my thoughts perfectly, and I'm coming up blank on what exactly could be going on with Nodoka. I do think she may be just too smart for the system and is putting things together that she isn't meant to.

Upside down house: it's come up quite a bit. Nodoka, Kirin, and Noriko have seen it, and Sensei watches it during a reset by himself. I also recall others mentioning it. Not entirely sure what to think of that yet. One of the girls in that house has pink hair almost like Noriko's, though, and there's 5 of them. I'm thinking it might be referring to Sensei tutoring 5 of the girls and Noriko as a kid was one of them. Maya could be the one who took her food and left with Noriko going after her. The other 3 idk. Then again that girl with pink hair could be someone unrelated to the Nakayamas and the house could have nothing to do with tutoring. Maybe it's even actually Haruka? Maybe those 5 girls are some of the side characters when they were young, and it might be hinting at their role in things.

The eyes: it could be implying that whoever she saw was Sensei's daughter, since they had similar eyes, which might be true if it was Hima/the shapeshifter. Besides that I'm not sure.

What really gets my curiosity is that apparently:

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Nodoka is trying to find the "thing" for someone who needs it. She also mentions "plates of gray food and Lavender hair." Wakana is the only one that comes to mind that would have lavender hair, and Nodoka has made it clear she likes Wakana, so maybe there's something there..

Overall; I don't think there's been enough revealed to understand the house and Nodoka yet. Could be wrong though.

 

[DeSkel15]

So... game has a heavy amount of different birds in it... most of the girls are represented by birds. what bird do you want to see most next...
I want to see the shrike
Absolutely brutal bird that goes in kills anything it thinks is a threat or can be eaten and it carries it/drags it to a thorn bush and impales the body on it. The body drains of blood but people are not sure if that is done on purpose or not and then it uses the thorns as a brace while it rips strips of flesh off its food...some species do this while it's victim is still alive.
Sometimes called the butcher bird cause of how it cuts and rips up the body.
Super tiny bird looks cute too when it's not eating
I hope this is nodokas bird representation

Not a big fan of birds, but I wouldn't be surprised if a Cuckoo shows up.

Apparently it symbolizes unrequited love, spring, and cuckoldry, as well as being favored by the likes of Hera, queen of the gods in Greek myth.

With Sekai around, the apparent relation to spring, her husband being a "god", and her relationship with Sensei where she'd fuck his brother and ended up ditching their kid with Sensei.. well unrequited love and cuckoldry seems to fit.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Not a big fan of birds, but I wouldn't be surprised if a Cuckoo shows up.

Apparently it symbolizes unrequited love, spring, and cuckoldry, as well as being favored by the likes of Hera, queen of the gods in Greek myth.

With Sekai around, the apparent relation to spring, her husband being a "god", and her relationship with Sensei where she'd fuck his brother and ended up ditching their kid with Sensei.. well unrequited love and cuckoldry seems to fit.

... i mean... if you call dying in auto accident 'ditching your kid to be raised by someone else' totally
lol
...
unless
are you implying they faked their death and then just fucked off lol

but i like the cuckoo symbolism and such. you made
so far we only have two girls bird forms from what i recall. makoto and maya
... i mean unless you want to call noodles tsuneyo's representation.
probably missed some girls

I totally see the kookaburra getting into this game. it has its own royalty free annoying song that can be played on repeat... sel loves annoying songs that can be played on repeat
considering the kookabrra's laugh is actualy a warning cry to its fellow birds of a predator nearby... i think this bird fits tsuneyo... based on her comedy

 

[DeSkel15]

... i mean... if you call dying in auto accident 'ditching your kid to be raised by someone else' totally
lol
...
unless
are you implying they faked their death and then just fucked off lol

but i like the cuckoo symbolism and such. you made
so far we only have two girls bird forms from what i recall. makoto and maya
... i mean unless you want to call noodles tsuneyo's representation.
probably missed some girls

Well, perhaps ditching was a little harsh. Unless they did fake their deaths or suicided. I'm not convinced we've got the whole story yet though.

Also, I think Molly refers to Ravens when she talks about Yasu, which does fit imo. Besides being compared to them, Kaori seems to like chickens a lot albeit so does Ayane. For whatever reason both have had them as pets.

Speaking of Tsuneyo, she's mentioned how her killing birds tends to happen, which kind of makes me worry about all this girls being compared to birds stuff. Personally, if there is a killer in this game, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Tsuneyo. (I think she may have even killed Ayane's chicken)

 

[KnowNoHope]

Well, perhaps ditching was a little harsh. Unless they did fake their deaths or suicided. I'm not convinced we've got the whole story yet though.

Also, I think Molly refers to Ravens when she talks about Yasu, which does fit imo. Besides being compared to them, Kaori seems to like chickens a lot albeit so does Ayane. For whatever reason both have had them as pets.

Speaking of Tsuneyo, she's mentioned how her killing birds tends to happen, which kind of makes me worry about all this girls being compared to birds stuff. Personally, if there is a killer in this game, I wouldn't be surprised if it's Tsuneyo. (I think she may have even killed Ayane's chicken)

that's intresting, would like to hear how and why tsuneyo would do that and then throw it off an overpass.
ive said who i thought it was before so no need to deep dive that again

 

[DeSkel15]

My mental state after playing this game:

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In that order.

 

[DeSkel15]

that's intresting, would like to hear how and why tsuneyo would do that and then throw it off an overpass.
ive said who i thought it was before so no need to deep dive that again

What makes me think it could have been Tsuneyo is mostly this:

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Tsuneyo also literally has a history of killing chickens, specifically breaking thier necks from what I recall, has subconsciously grabbed a knife in the dark before, so she possibly blacks out or isn't always in control of herself, and she seems heavily related to User2/god of wires/the resets and so do birds themselves.

Why it ended up where it did though, I have no idea.

Still, the chicken going missing/getting killed, then Ayane showing up on the rooftop, and then this mention of Tsuneyo in relation to the chicken afterwards seems suspicious to me.

 

[KnowNoHope]

Mostly this:

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Tsuneyo also literally has a history of killing chickens, specifically breaking thier necks from what I recall, has subconsciously grabbed a knife in the dark before so she possibly blacks out or isn't always in control of herself, and she seems heavily related to User2/god of wires/the resets and so do birds themselves.

Still, the chicken going missing/getting killed, then Ayane showing up on the rooftop, and then this mention of Tsuneyo in relation to the chicken afterwards seems suspicious.

huh... i took those as jokes about making ramen, neat to take them literally
i dont see tsuneyo throwing the corpse over the side of a highway though
just eating it

 

[DeSkel15]

huh... i took those as jokes about making ramen, neat to take them literally
i dont see tsuneyo throwing the corpse over the side of a highway though
just eating it

Yeah, I edited it a bit. Also considering she can talk to birds, maybe it was personal? I hope Tsuneyo wouldn't normally eat the chickens she can understand, then again who knows.

Overall though, it's just a fun little theory.

 

[BlackDays]

Guys if you go theorizing i'd rather appreciate it if you at least link the connecting events. Or not if it's too much work.
This is really going beyond wild, at least for me. You can throw so much spaghetti at a wall till there is no wallpaper anymore to be seen (or paint, don't know how you decorate your rooms).

You know that there's a twitter account related to the upside down house? And it might be related to Nodoka?
Would make things even wilder.

I wonder if Sel read Aldus Huxley's "The doors of perception". And if those are related. Because IF, were all screwed.

On another note
What was your first thought about the developer of this game (Sel ofc) first time you read it?

 

[DeSkel15]

Guys if you go theorizing i'd rather appreciate it if you at least link the connecting events. Or not if it's too much work.
This is really going beyond wild, at least for me. You can throw so much spaghetti at a wall till there is no wallpaper anymore to be seen (or paint, don't know how you decorate your rooms).

You know that there's a twitter account related to the upside down house? And it might be related to Nodoka?
Would make things even wilder.

I wonder if Sel read Aldus Huxley's "The doors of perception". And if those are related. Because IF, were all screwed.

On another note
What was your first thought about the developer of this game (Sel ofc) first time you read it?

For what I mentioned for Tsuneyo: the "A walk through Hell" Main Event, and Tsuneyo's "Things like stairs", plus Yumi's "Loggerhead" for Todd's fate should suffice.. Also the first Happy event (which shows a lot of stuff) shows User2 with a bird (maybe Noodles), and a bowl of Ramen. Tsuneyo and User2 as well as things related to User2 also tend to mention trees, growing, and wires a bunch. So, maybe just replay the game since Tsuneyo showed up, for all that stuff.

For the upside down house and Nodoka stuff: Otoha's "Breathing in Unison", Nodoka's "I see everything" and "Beyond the reach of god", and Kirin's "Bye, bye, boner", are kind of must sees to get what's being talked about. I also think Sensei sees it in the "There is Nothing" main event, when you look at the tv.

I also thought Sel based off the game was the kind of an unfiltered somewhat depraved individual whose story and perception of the world within said story would be fun to experience. I mostly just thought finally something that has a soul and isn't chained by censorship or morality.

 

[DeSkel15]

Also for those interested in the Users: "There is Nothing", and "The word of the day" are both pretty important. You can type in the different Users in the user name, in "There is Nothing", and get different responses, while User2 talks to you in "The word of the day".

However, The Happy Event "Trinity p3 Non est deus" is perhaps the most important for understanding them all.
User3 actually shows up in that Happy Event to apparently save you. User 1 is the one in control of you during it, and User2 is trying to access you, but can't because you can't give it permission (you'll need audio).

User3 also notably shows up in Yumi's "Abyss" event, and Sana's "Ad infinitum" event where it says it's name is Pareidolia.

There's probably a lot more, but most of this is just based off memory and I haven't replayed the game in a bit.. so, sorry.

Overall, most disturbing stuff seems to be because of User1 who is likely Nozomu, the callous god, and strongest in summer, the computer-ish stuff is User2 who is likely the god of wires, the calm god, and strongest in winter, while User3 doesn't show up much unless needed to bring order, is Pareidolia, the concerned god, talks in lowercase, and has no season it's strongest in. User4 is reserved for someone/something and that's about all that's been said about it. There doesn't seem to be other users.

Oh, and Terminal 23 is likely Sensei or at least his mind.

 

[BlackDays]

For what I mentioned for Tsuneyo: the "A walk through Hell" Main Event, and Tsuneyo's "Things like stairs", plus Yumi's "Loggerhead" for Todd's fate should suffice.. Also the first Happy event (which shows a lot of stuff) shows User2 with a bird (maybe Noodles), and a bowl of Ramen. Tsuneyo and User2 as well as things related to User2 also tend to mention trees, growing, and wires a bunch. So, maybe just replay the game since Tsuneyo showed up, for all that stuff.

For the upside down house and Nodoka stuff: Otoha's "Breathing in Unison", Nodoka's "I see everything" and "Beyond the reach of god", and Kirin's "Bye, bye, boner", are kind of must sees to get what's being talked about. I also think Sensei sees it in the "There is Nothing" main event, when you look at the tv.

I also thought Sel based off the game was the kind of an unfiltered somewhat depraved individual whose story and perception of the world within said story would be fun to experience. I mostly just thought finally something that has a soul and isn't chained by censorship or morality.

Didn't really follow what you (people) are thinking about Tsuneyo. Whats the point here?

 

[DeSkel15]

Didn't really follow what you (people) are thinking about Tsuneyo. Whats the point here?

I just had a theory that Tsuneyo was the one who killed Todd, Ayane's chicken. That's about it.

As for why Todd matters, he goes missing before Ayane actually survives a reset, and is found dead after she does. It seems linked to the reason she can. Just a theory though.

Tsuneyo also seems linked to the resets which is a theory in of itself since User2 has power over resets (Helps you in the reset of "There is Nothing" while the other users don't seem able to, and In the main event "The Scary Room" User1 (presumably) pretends to be User2 so that it can pretend it's about to reset Maya, which scared Maya, implying she knows User2 could actually do that, which also implies that User2 is the thing that she asks to reset the world since it's the only thing that's been implied to have reset abilities besides Maya who asks something else to do it.), And Tsuneyo seems related to User2 (who had a bird that resembled Noodles, and a bowl of Ramen in the first Happy Event), and has a history of killing chickens. Tsuneyo also seems naturally aware of the loop as found out in "The bending of italics" main event, and apparently recalls events that are from the loops from before the Current Sensei showed up as implied in the "Gallows Edge" main event.

Overall; it's a theory based off theories.

 

[Bingoogus]

Didn't really follow what you (people) are thinking about Tsuneyo. Whats the point here?

Take a seat at my table brother, why do you think i hand out so many thinking reactions, i struggle to follow the game let alone some of the theories here and am constantly left either suddenly realising something i missed or... 10 times more confused

 

[BlackDays]

I just had a theory that Tsuneyo was the one who killed Todd, Ayane's chicken. That's about it.

As for why Todd matters, he goes missing before Ayane actually survives a reset, and is found dead after she does. It seems linked to the reason she can. Just a theory though.

Tsuneyo also seems linked to the resets which is a theory in of itself since User2 has power over resets (Helps you in the reset of "There is Nothing" while the other users don't seem able to, and In the main event "Scary Room" User1 (presumably) pretends to be User2 so that it can pretend it's about to reset Maya, which scared Maya, implying she knows User2 could actually do that, which also implies that User2 is the thing that she asks to reset the world since it's the only thing that's been implied to have reset abilities besides Maya who asks something else to do it.), And Tsuneyo seems related to User2 (who had a bird that resembled Noodles, and a bowl of Ramen in the first Happy Event), and has a history of killing chickens. Tsuneyo also seems naturally aware of the loop as found out in "The bending of italics" main event, and apparently recalls events that are from the loops from before the Current Sensei showed up as implied in the "Gallows Edge" main event.

Overall; it's a theory based off theories.

Question is: Why would Tsuneyo do this? I see no reason there besides: "Oh, free meat for our shop."
More reasonable seems to be (for me) that Ami killed Todd in a rage fit, because Ayane is getting way to comfortable with Akira.
Their conversation within dorm wars (3?) might have triggered that.
Didn't Ami tell Ayane she's fucking Akira?
Killing Todd is like mafia horse head in Ayanes bed.

I really think if this game had a main antagonist, it would be Ami and associates.

/e The conversation between Ami and Ayane i meant was in ch3 main event "The Way it Scatters" with the amifingered flag true which is omitted in replays.