What VNs have you played that have similar writing quality to LiL? I've always felt like it was leaps and bounds ahead of anything I've played as far as dialogue goes and how human the characters feel. I had thought part of that might be that some writing quality just gets lost when you translate things to english. If there are games out there with writing on par with LiL, I'd love to play them.You think? I've felt that Selebus kinda already hit a wall and the game's gonna stay at the current-level (uber-high) quality.
I mean, the images/animations have been consistently beautiful for a koikatsu game. His plot and writing rivals some of the best Japanese visual novels I've read. Sure, some updates are better than others, but Selebus would naturally have his ups and downs considering he's human.
So I feel that once Selebus reworks his game once, it won't need further reworks. Again, this is just my opinion and I don't mean to criticize you
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Writing is a skill, and skills naturally improve with practice, so in a very technical sense, there will be improvement over time.You think? I've felt that Selebus kinda already hit a wall and the game's gonna stay at the current-level (uber-high) quality.
I mean, the images/animations have been consistently beautiful for a koikatsu game. His plot and writing rivals some of the best Japanese visual novels I've read. Sure, some updates are better than others, but Selebus would naturally have his ups and downs considering he's human.
So I feel that once Selebus reworks his game once, it won't need further reworks. Again, this is just my opinion and I don't mean to criticize you
But that improvement is typically incremental. The big quality jumps happen when you figure out a character's voice, the narrative tone, the proper way to pace your action, etc, and for the most part all that has been done, so we shouldn't see any major quality leaps in the future.
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1) Originial Grisaia series (Caution: Lots of horror/LSD-infused nightmare material. Makes LiL happy scenes look tame in comparision)
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. (Kinda dark, but way less so that LiL. Made in English by English-speaking devs, so you can enjoy the original game )
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Thanks, I'll check them out!1) Originial Grisaia series (Caution: Lots of horror/LSD-infused nightmare material. Makes LiL happy scenes look tame in comparision)
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I'm not so worried about interest in the revised beginning dropping considering we're looking at a game that will require replaying.
Sure, it will gnaw at him until he gets it done, but so will the next time this happens because, as it is now, the game will continue to improve until the very end and older content will once again need to be revised to meet the standard of new content. The game has NOT plateaued in quality, which is what I'm suggesting waiting for, but I just don't see a plateau happening any time before the end. In general, that's a good thing, but not so much with this situation because that lack of quality plateau will cause this to just happen again in the future.
That third point is a valid concern, but this same redraft is likely to happen in reverse as outlined in the previous section. He will continually end up having to redo content that went untouched in previous revisions as quality increases further and he may even need to touch the revised sections because of this as well.
The fourth is even more valid and is my main reason for agreeing this rework does eventually need to happen. This may be a contributing factor in why people are expecting more sex content than they are getting. Yes, the majority of that expectation here is due to a certain false notion of the nature of the site, but some of the events do sort of rush things. Yes, this includes the same Ayane scene that gives us a little peek at the real Ayane instead of the facade we came to know at first once we learn it actually is a facade. The same can be said of a bunch of the early scenes that do rush things, they all set up the characters quite nicely and, with the correct amount of progress being made after that, can become the first signs in the game that a character is a certain way like Ayane's facade or Ami's trauma.
You say that nearing the end of chapter 2 will slow down quality increase, but that's not necessarily true seeing as chapter 2 is nowhere near the end of the game.
Yes, I fully believe that this game has not stopped improving not to mention the old adage about what practice does. As they say "practice makes perfect," which, while not entirely true at face value, that does apply here. With every scene he writes, he will improve bit by bit and, given how much longer the game has for development yet, he's going to get in A LOT of practice. With this practice will come further quality increases that, I fear, will just end Selebus right back in the beginning of a cycle that only the end of development can break because only the end of development will be a point where he doesn't keep improving during this game's development. Yes, he will again improve bit by bit in his next game, assuming he goes into a new one, but at that point it is of no consequence to this project.You think? I've felt that Selebus kinda already hit a wall and the game's gonna stay at the current-level (uber-high) quality.
I mean, the images/animations have been consistently beautiful for a koikatsu game. His plot and writing rivals some of the best Japanese visual novels I've read. Sure, some updates are better than others, but Selebus would naturally have his ups and downs considering he's human.
So I feel that once Selebus reworks his game once, it won't need further reworks. Again, this is just my opinion and I don't mean to criticize you
Some of the Japanese ones, especially ones that have specifically been mentioned as inspirations for this game, are extremely high quality. The one mentioned by VNDB as an example of the Denpa genre is also extremely good, though I forgot the name since it has been a while since I've had to go back to that page.1) Originial Grisaia series (Caution: Lots of horror/LSD-infused nightmare material. Makes LiL happy scenes look tame in comparision)
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EDIT: "Shizuku" by Leaf is the one in the VNDB example I mentioned, that one is extremely good.
That's exactly what I'm getting at, he's been improving pretty consistently even if slowly, but that all adds up over time and we still have multiple years to go. That's a long time to incrementally improve.
I'm just concerned this will end up a long term cycle that will lead to burn out in a way Selebus wasn't expecting and didn't prepare for like he did with the events per update.
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Not really. The plateau actually happens pretty early. Most creatives do their best work in the first part of their careers, even though they keep writing/creating for decades afterwards, you don't really see their late work being substantially better -- and in all honesty, it's usually worse.
Then you have project impatience. When you get towards the end of your current project, your brain starts working on whatever you're going to do after, and the closer you get to the end of THIS project, the more interested you get in the next one. The prospect of doing a clean up at that point is no longer compelling. That's the old project, the new one is more important, interesting, and exciting.
There's also the economic factor. This is the developer's source of income. When the game ends, his income is going to fall off.If a new project enters development, or has already started development, that won't happen. If he then announces going back to the beginning to revise it, it most definitely will.
Also, telling a creative that YOUR ideas for his project are better than his is an actively shitty thing to do.
It can happen pretty early in most cases and usually does even if only temporarily, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. As gradual as the increase has been, it hasn't stopped even temporarily.
We don't have project impatience to worry about any time soon, that's near the end and we aren't even close to the end of this project. He doesn't have a new main project to draw interest, either. He has, admittedly, a side project, but those never get the same focus as a main project like this nor should they, that's why they fall into the side project category.
With this game, I don't see it really mattering, as far as his income stream, when he announces the rework. People are either going to stick with it or they aren't. We've already seen multiple cases of both new and existing players here drop off due to content, not the amount or the quality, but the type of content he's writing, and we aren't even up to the full extent of the game's Denpa element yet. I, for one, plan to stick with it no matter what he throws at us, but there are things that can cause me to drop the game outside of the content, thankfully none of which he has done.
I have no ideas for this project nor was I telling him to do anything, I tend to give developers the wheel so to speak even if it is a development I happen to be on. It was simply a suggestion in when to do it, not how to do it, and he can take it or leave it.
Either way, unless he does something crappy like, I don't know, implementing DRM and focusing on that for months on end instead of actual content or manipulating reviews like a certain other game developer who got caught not too long ago by the admins of F95, not dropping actual developer names for the above examples, I don't see myself going anywhere. All I did was express concerns, nothing more and nothing less.
There's a lot of early installment weirdness with characterization and setting stuff, so I'm looking forward to the rework, if for no other reason than that it will mean that if stuff is still weird after the rework, it's a clue and not a mistake.
If he gets on a "gotta keep revamping things" treadmill, then I'll worry, but for now I'm not concerned: it's not a general pass over the entire game, it's an update to the part of the game before he was full-time on it and doing full-time levels of quality. He's got a defined scope. I think this is fine.
If he gets on a "gotta keep revamping things" treadmill, then I'll worry, but for now I'm not concerned: it's not a general pass over the entire game, it's an update to the part of the game before he was full-time on it and doing full-time levels of quality. He's got a defined scope. I think this is fine.
Keep multiple saves, that's the best advice I can give.
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The latest release contains all past content.
But there is no android-specific version because the filesize is too large.
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wonderful everyday is best thing to play if you want something similar,
Selebus himself said that he took inspiration from that VN
https://f95zone.to/threads/subarash...zai-wonderful-everyday-final-front-wing.4690/
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Happy belated halloween, everyone
Remember: Digital piracy is not a victimless crime. Let's support our beloved dev; next public update will likely be around November 28.
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Caxhub has been porting the game to android. You can find 20 part 1 for android here:
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New update is amazing, even if it didn't advance the overarching story much. I'm interested in seeing whether the people who have been hating on Kirin feel differently about her after this update, or if they come away feeling vindicated, because I feel like it could honestly go either way depending on what you choose to focus on. Personally, she's quickly becoming one of my favorites and I would not have predicted that a few updates ago.
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Well let all pry toAnother frontwing fan, I see. Nice