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psychotomimetic

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Contextualizing this, it was a joke I made off of a pivot that a fundamental problem with LiL is that nothing conclusive ever happens. Nobody knows if there are plotholes in LiL because nothing ever happens for sure. You can call that a strength if you like, but myself and others would call that a cop-out and a bad one at that. I would prefer LiL greatly if it progressed a bit faster than years at a time.
i'd say it's pretty hard to judge this when the game is not finished. im sure most shows worth watching have many unresolved plotlines if they were only watched 1/3 or halfway through.

and no, AI is absolutely not close to producing anything like this. it can spit out meaningless, generic and copy-pasted drivel endlessly, because it does in fact not generate, and it is not intelligent. it just roughly reproduces what has already been made.
 

Marie IV

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Like it or not, Selebus' way of telling the story is what has kept this going on despite Selebus.
[...] the basic idea is that, basic, but LiL has been kept afloat because of the execution of said idea.
Right, of course, LiL succeeds in "keeping going" and being "kept afloat", but—hear me out— it doesn't need to:

Chapters 1-3 were great. The ending of Chapter 3 was just awesome. That's where Selebus should have stopped.
Chapter 4 is a different game. A sequel. Unnecessary, boring and stupid, as sequels always are.
It is okay for works of art to end. A fundamental problem Selebus has though, is that it seems like he is doing everything possible to make sure that doesn't happen. This seems to manifest in vagueness, overabundance of literary nonsense, and inaction. There are many external factors to this of course, one could say if LiL ends, so does Selebus' ability to buy food, but being generous in putting that aside, the simplicity of saying LiL is the longest visual novel in existance is not inherently a good thing. Why does LiL need to be this grand unending concept which is applauded for its length; a concept that is not inherently good or bad? It seems to be a far too influencing factor in LiL as a corporate, and this has for sure affected the exhasting writing greatly. This results in the oppressing critique, which I am voicing, just far more harshly than how Ma1phas has addressed it:

[...] But a lot of the rest is heavily reliant on minimal information, leaving the audience to speculate (which he seems to get mad about?). And the massive crutch of using deliberately opaque writing. Phrasing things in weird, murky ways is interesting in small doses, in large doses the sheen wears off and it just comes off as pretentious.
 
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YAAAAS my favorite cyclops is returning! I honestly hope this overall style would stay...

I found myself losing major interests in Ch4 Sana. I probably am on the same with Sensei when he said he wanted Sana to stay smol, innocent, and timid forever so Sensei can keep prodding her for fun. But instead of keeping acting like an adorable hamster, half of the time Sana in Ch4 feels like a cute but mildly creepy Gollum, and I blame her revealing her second eye for it for whatever reason I may have.
 

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If only Nodoka hadn't been killed by that same person, maybe she'd die of nosebleed on the possible incest implications/fantasies.
 

Marie IV

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i'd say it's pretty hard to judge this when the game is not finished. im sure most shows worth watching have many unresolved plotlines if they were only watched 1/3 or halfway through.
I respect your assessment. LiL should've been finished ages ago.
and no, AI is absolutely not close to producing anything like this. it can spit out meaningless, generic and copy-pasted drivel endlessly, because it does in fact not generate, and it is not intelligent. it just roughly reproduces what has already been made.
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psychotomimetic

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isnt it saying exactly what i wrote, but just with a lot less spite?
it cant write long and coherent stories, it has trouble with deep emotional resonance, and it relies on humans for depth and originality.

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just adding on to this to avoid further spamming with pointless discussions.
which is certainly within its capabilities, and you disbelieved that.
and with the AI stating that it never asserted the ability to write, what i consider to be the defining characteristics of LiL, even in this post, i think it is fair to say that i am correct in disbelieving that it is "within its capabilities". contradicting itself within 3 sentences. nice.
anyhow, i think this boils down to matters of belief and preference, so i dont think much more can be gained by going on.
 
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Marie IV

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isnt it saying exactly what i wrote, but just with a lot less spite?
it cant write long and coherent stories, it has trouble with deep emotional resonance, and it relies on humans for depth and originality.
I never asserted anything about AI being able to write with "deep emotional resonance", or not being reliant on humans for "depth and originality". My critique actually could be that LiL has written itself away from those qualities, especially so that it's lacking coherency (literary nonsense is a major aspect of LiL). Because of this, I jested that AI could be used as a prompt to write LiL without readers noticing, which is certainly within its capabilities, and you disbelieved that. I then responded in turn by prompting AI to answer, and then prompted it to write this response with my snarky attitude and tone, and if you're reading this, this response has been generated by AI and revised by a human lorem ipsum...

I've joked about this before, where I wagered that Selebus could probably finish his game using ChatGPT AI writing prompts and nobody would notice.
AI is already well capable of writing convincing novels and movies at this time. I don't think writing character interactions is especially talented or troublesome for AI with some human revision.
 

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Once again, put a pin on that, it's going to be relevant in like 1000 days.
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