Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.55.0] [Selebus]

[SlidingSubject]

And before you dismiss it as just a joke (although it is mostly a joke), do recall that there is that 1% of evidence from original Akira following Yumi even before the resets.

Also that bit of the Not Even Me event where he almost hard resets himself before Yumi calls out to him. I think it was because Sensei McSenseison was almost finishing Yumi's chapter when our Sensei butted in.

Spoiler: A bit of Faith

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[DeanNoriko]

Oh no I received a green scarf. Am I gonna get molested now?

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[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: Clean up duty

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[HanSolo100]

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love your profile name!

 

[CharlotteWiltshire26]

Okay, so, since I’m effectively taking a short break from in-depth character analysis until the opportunity to talk about the few select characters I *do* want to cover later naturally presents itself, I guess it’s time for something a little different. The following is going to be me unabashedly and very passionately gushing about a certain aspect of Lessons in Love that I think is either somewhat underappreciated or simply gets unmentioned due to all of the constant focus on the plot, the characters and so on: namely, what kids these days colloquially refer to as “the vibes”. It’s also going to be a lot less focused than the walls of text I normally produce, so feel free to ignore my post if this subject isn’t really up your alley.

Spoiler: Immaculate vibes, and wanderlust

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Spoiler: Conclusion

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[Bingoogus]

(besides him having a huge penis, of course – can’t forget that)

Big BIG BIG Penis!

 

[Budoop]

And then there we were on 2029, and somehow we never got a Yumi purity route. It was the true end the whole time.

Spoiler: just facts

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And before you dismiss it as just a joke (although it is mostly a joke), do recall that there is that 1% of evidence from original Akira following Yumi even before the resets.

She does say he used to oggle her, and give her detentions just for the sake of it, and follow her around.

Although she may be an unreliable narrator.
I remember originally thinking that the OG sensei was just an actually good teacher so he came across overbearing when trying to help educate her, although with what we know now she may have been more credible than I thought originally.

Speaking of, our Akira still has a lot of dofferent behaviour to the one he replaced in this world that isnt explained by the memory wipes.

Wonder what will happen with that, especially since a lot of that plot got retconned in reworked scenes.

 

[DeanNoriko]

Okay, so, since I’m effectively taking a short break from in-depth character analysis until the opportunity to talk about the few select characters I *do* want to cover later naturally presents itself, I guess it’s time for something a little different. The following is going to be me unabashedly and very passionately gushing about a certain aspect of Lessons in Love that I think is either somewhat underappreciated or simply gets unmentioned due to all of the constant focus on the plot, the characters and so on: namely, what kids these days colloquially refer to as “the vibes”. It’s also going to be a lot less focused than the walls of text I normally produce, so feel free to ignore my post if this subject isn’t really up your alley.

Spoiler: Immaculate vibes, and wanderlust

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Spoiler: Conclusion

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A very good post, once again, putting a lot of what I feel when playing the game in terms I wouldn't be able to come up with myself.

but I would also argue that (despite what a certain ignorant friend of mine seems to think) the simple, relatively low-poly Koikatsu visuals *also* play a huge role in this, as the game, IMO, just wouldn’t work nearly as well if it had regular 2D sprites or, alternatively, much more “realistic” 3D graphics.

Spoiler: graphics

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Spoiler: wanderlust

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Edit: Also, I just remembered, on the topic of Koikatsu. Is anyone else unable to play other Koikatsu games because of LiL? Maybe not completely unable to, but a lot of the models, whether intentionally or not, look too similar to LiL characters to not have the connection somewhere in the back of my head, breaking the immersion.

 

[Budoop]

Koikatsus visuals are pretty lackluster without addons and good work.

Selebus makes it look good via lighting, and tbh, LiL from a stills standpoint may be one of the best looking koikatsu games out there.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

There's a few random ones I've enjoyed so I wouldn't go quite so far as to say ruined but yeah, there's a huge difference between LiL and pretty much everything else I've played on KK visually. Honestly LiL has even sort of knocked down a few of my old favourites because I go back and they look worse to me now lol character models I'm a bit softer with (as long as they don't all have absurdly large tits which is a pet peeve of mine), though I do genuinely think that the LiL cast is extremely well designed compared to most other games I've tried - especially considering the cast size.

The backgrounds and stuff are what really stand out to me by comparison, from like mid chapter 2 onwards particularly. It makes a huge difference not just for the comparison to LiL's quality but because of how much it stands out when I play multiple other KK games that have a bunch of the exact same locations looking exactly the same. It can be a bit jarring.

Same with music - which isn't really KK specific but I've just noticed a lot of KK games using the same tracks for some reason. I assume they're part of the package? I never really got that far into learning KK so I'm not sure, it became very apparent very quickly that I just couldn't be fucked - but same sort of situation so I thought I'd add it in because I really like the music in LiL lol

 

[Moonflare]

Furthermore, the “vibes” of LiL remind me a lot of the general atmosphere of Haruki Murakami’s works, or the (frankly, genius) way SHAFT chose to adapt the Monogatari novels.

Very good post, and while I agree with it overall, I'd like to add a few things.

Spoiler: Monogatari x LiL

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They're both great works at the end of the day regardless, just thought I'd add something.

 

[CharlotteWiltshire26]

A very good post, once again, putting a lot of what I feel when playing the game in terms I wouldn't be able to come up with myself.

Spoiler: graphics

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Spoiler: wanderlust

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Edit: Also, I just remembered, on the topic of Koikatsu. Is anyone else unable to play other Koikatsu games because of LiL? Maybe not completely unable to, but a lot of the models, whether intentionally or not, look too similar to LiL characters to not have the connection somewhere in the back of my head, breaking the immersion.

My statement that “the game, IMO, just wouldn’t work nearly as well if it had regular 2D sprites” mostly comes down to two things:

Spoiler: Elaboration

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Aside from that, yeah, I agree: a mix of LiL and Disco Elysium – or even anything remotely similar – would go hard as fuck.

 

[BBM62]

Random rambling.
Well, i am wrapping up pre-Halloween 4 stuff (which is incidentally end of Chapter 3), and quite a few of those events are specifically on Saturdays. And i am kinda expecting it to blow up in spectacular fashion, if Ami's overall behaviour through out the Chapter 3 is any indication.

 

[jclark1337]

Furthermore, the “vibes” of LiL remind me a lot of the general atmosphere of Haruki Murakami’s works, or the (frankly, genius) way SHAFT chose to adapt the Monogatari novels: in both cases the underlying surrealism of what is going on is *always* present, affecting how you perceive even otherwise completely commonplace scenes, but rather than intentionally contrasting with the mundane

If LiL was, as many assumed throughout the years, a manifestation of Akira's inner trauma then it would have a long play by Selebus in which none of the supernatural actually existed, and things would have been more in tone with monogatari - but that isn't the case.

One isn't better than the other just from the tools they choose to use, obviously, but what I mean by considering the monogatari adaptation better is that (to me) actually making the ordinary extraordinary requires more than meshing supernatural elements throughout the ordinary.

Both of you put it super well. A large part of Monogatari's appeal for me was how it was absolutely dripping with symbolism, and LiL does it well enough to remind me of it at times.

I think the core of why we feel that way is the Japanese/eastern cultural zeitgeist and how it has evolved from referencing concepts and objects with mystical power and meaning. Both of these pieces of media really capture that wholly "Japanese" way of looking at things and representing concepts and trauma as symbols of sorts, even if they do it in slightly different ways.

Anyways, love it when Monogatari is mentioned. It's one of my favorite pieces of media.

Interesting tidbit: I lost access to it since the LiLcord was nuked so I can't screenshot because they're gone, but IIRC Selebus stated he had started a few episodes of Monogatari but never finished it many years ago, so he most likely had zero or minimal inspiration from it.

 

[SlidingSubject]

I think the core of why we feel that way is the Japanese/eastern cultural zeitgeist and how it has evolved from referencing concepts and objects with mystical power and meaning. Both of these pieces of media really capture that wholly "Japanese" way of looking at things and representing concepts and trauma as symbols of sorts, even if they do it in slightly different ways.

You made me remember that there's a japanese concept called Yaoyorozu no Kami, and coupled with their animism beliefs (which also reminds me of how by late roman empire, most concepts either had a new god assigned to them or some of their chief gods gained a new "domain"), it'd pretty much be that whole infinite gods thing in LiL.

 

[LessonsInDissonance]

Oh no I received a green scarf. Am I gonna get molested now?

I've got the golden crown
Does that mean that I get the right to do the molesting ?

 

[John Smith V]

Has it been established why the gods have an interest in Akira? I know there is a general disdain on the part of Selebus as respects religion, so I was wondering if I might have rushed through the game and missed out on that. I appreciate it was a large part of the story, but I was not interested in it - and more into everything else. Entirely my fault and I remain curious especially after trying 0.53.0 for the second time.

And whats with the crowns?

 

[Detective Dc345]

No clue what the crowns mean. But mine is red which means Yumi Sex!

 

[CharlotteWiltshire26]

Interesting tidbit: I lost access to it since the LiLcord was nuked so I can't screenshot because they're gone, but IIRC Selebus stated he had started a few episodes of Monogatari but never finished it many years ago, so he most likely had zero or minimal inspiration from it.

Huh, interesting. I thought there could have been at least a small chance that Selebus was in some way directly inspired by NisiOisiN, because in addition to all of the aforementioned Monogatari stuff Akira *also* has quite a lot of narrative similarities with Ii-chan – the protagonist of NisiOisiN’s other series, Zaregoto – but perhaps not. Oh well.

 

[akselx]

Interesting tidbit: I lost access to it since the LiLcord was nuked so I can't screenshot because they're gone, but IIRC Selebus stated he had started a few episodes of Monogatari but never finished it many years ago, so he most likely had zero or minimal inspiration from it.

Now that is surprising. This show is right up his alley.