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I see no big misunderstanding (on my part) with what you said.
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This took a long time to reply to, and I tried to make it digestible to others. But it's understandable if people skip it.
Holy hell, this one took a LONG time to write. People who aren’t particularly interested in Himawari and/or my speculations about the Trinity (in Part 2), be warned: the following is not for the faint of heart.

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This here encapsulates the mechanics of your entire argument, imo:
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I won't say there's no possibility that anything of what you're saying turns out to be true. But you're grasping at straws imo (as you yourself recognize). What has been shown stands in overwhelming oppostion to pretty much all you're claiming, in this quote and otherwise.
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I don't think there's any merit to this conversation going forward. Obviously we can continue it if you want to, I just mean that by now your points are quite clear to everyone, as is their rebuttal. I think it'd be more productive to go back to it if one day there's new evidence that gives it more support.
 
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This here encapsulates the mechanics of your entire argument, imo:

I won't say there's no possibility that anything of what you're saying turns out to be true. But you're grasping at straws imo (as you yourself recognizes). What has been shown stands in overwhelming oppostion to pretty much all you're claiming, in this quote and otherwise.
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I don't think there's any merit to this conversation going forward. Obviously you can continue it if you want to, I just mean that by now your points are quite clear to everyone, as is their rebuttal. So, I guess we can go back to it if one day there's new evidence that demands it.
No, I also agree that there is no real need to continue it any further: I fully understand your points, you fully understand mine – even if we never really reached a proper consensus, I am still perfectly satisfied with this outcome.

Thank you very much for having this discussion. I hope it was even partially as engaging for you (as well as anyone else simply watching us argue it out) as it was for me.
 

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Okay, now that the Himawari-posting has passed, I want to do some Yasu-posting, and quite topically named too, since this theory I've been thinking about is a lot more schizo than anything else I've come up with so far
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Relevant Meme, btw
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You reminded me of a video from and also saying that some priests consider the supernatural to be just mental illness and to recommend a doctor, while some doctors were convinced the supernatural does exist since, among others, there's no medical reason a patient can know the contents of a private conversation the doctor had with their family. Of course, we don't know what Sel is cooking, or if he even remembers and this isn't just going to be another Futaba situation.
 

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P.S.: Thanks to everyone who comes up with theories and such about the events and characters; reading your contributions always makes the wait for each update more enjoyable.
 

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Where do Chika and Rin go for now?
I think, based on both 0.54 and previous evidence, that we won't see much change in them, other than them stopping to "hang out" together.
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I do hope Chika breaks up with Akira though. I think we can all agree we've had enough of her insanity by now. Focusing on a secondary romance isn't the answer at all, and doesn't solve the problem. Plus, it opens up the scenario even more for the Yumi romance if they do break up.
 

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I'm currently reading Mak's TSS and confused with this:
Giuseppe said Mak that she is very bad girl. Se says the same while scolding Ami for No's murder.
Ami to new Maya: It’s probably Makoto. She’s secretly evil.
And then dialog with Giuseppe leads to Io in S's room and S in bath with Uta in love hotel. >> prior Faceless Mak mentioned door 3 times.
There is a battery on the S's table. >> Hi: think of me as battery.
Also S to Io: I’m not going anywhere...
Similar Hi1,3 about Hi2: She was never anywhere to begin with.
anywhere = outside of walls, and just in my imagination Tokyo in BW is Kyoto. Did Se and S fail to run away? Same deities sent them back? >> You are a hamster on a wheel?
Yuu in NiB describes his town as hub. Io wants Uta to be a proxy for her love to S or something like that. And if Terminals are servers it makes sense.

So, the question: Who killed who and how Mak connected with Ami?
In general, it can be explained as in one the world with alive Sekai and Masahiro Ami is evil, in another one it will be Makoto? Evil Ami is Makoto's mirror of who she can become by choosing wrong path?
May be it's already discussed and someone has more detailed explanation?

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Plus, it opens up the scenario even more for the Yumi romance if they do break up.
Somehow I think it would be even weirder for Yumi to jump on her best friend's ex the moment she takes a break than it would be for Yumi to jump in when Chika was explicitly, if irrationally, cool with being part of an open relationship.
 
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Somehow I think it would be even weirder for Yumi to jump on her best friend's ex the moment she takes a break than it would be for Yumi to jump in when Chika was explicitly, if irrationally, cool with being part of an open relationship.
Nah, Yumi is a real one and knows when her friend is having an episode and doesn't think straight.
I think it has been established that Yumi is put off by her behavior and I agree with Moonflare that now would be the time where she might think "thank god Chika is over him, she didn't deserve him anywa- wait what am I saying, I hate this fuckass and his stupily good-looking fuckface, oh no what is happening to me :(".

Seriously though, I live for the Yumi Tsundere romance arc, Sel better not fuck it up (unintentionally).
 

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Somehow I think it would be even weirder for Yumi to jump on her best friend's ex the moment she takes a break than it would be for Yumi to jump in when Chika was explicitly, if irrationally, cool with being part of an open relationship.
I think Chika becoming more caretaker role of her sister and her best friend may will cause her to take a stand in "hey Yumi, pursue what you desire and makes you happy" rather than previously "Hey Yumi join our open relationship thing as long as i'm the harem queen".

Though i don't think we will see a sex scene between them for a while, Yumi and sensei's relationship will develop at a faster rate without a rabid best friend.
 

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Somehow I think it would be even weirder for Yumi to jump on her best friend's ex the moment she takes a break.
I get your point, but I disagree. The way I see it, Yumi recognizes that Chika is just acting insane. That she threatened to murder her just before flipping it over and telling her to bone Akira paints a pretty clear picture.

I think that if she recognized that Chika is clear minded in not caring about her and Akira, she'd take it seriously. Also, Yumi has already made a few moves. The did sleep together after all.

If Chika is even able to rekindle her relationship with Yumi remains to be seen to be honest. I think they will, if only because Yumi is not really an expert in rejecting affection - but I think Chika would be much more permissible with whatever Yumi might want to do, out of guilt for the many fucked up things she did to her.
 

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Somehow I think it would be even weirder for Yumi to jump on her best friend's ex the moment she takes a break than it would be for Yumi to jump in when Chika was explicitly, if irrationally, cool with being part of an open relationship.
I agree, but it's not like it would have to be "the moment she takes a break". There's still a ton of game left to go and almost half the cast have yet to become romantically entangled whilst Sensei several who have aren't even all the way there yet. There's plenty of time for her and Sensei's relationship to develop before they actually get together, more so in her case than most others since she has more opportunity being a part of the meta-narrative.

And Yumi's fully aware that Chika's not really cool with being part of an open relationship so I don't think that really sways Yumi much. If anything she'd probably be even more reluctant since now she knows Chika might chuck her off a building if she snaps lol I think Chika not being with Sensei would definitely be clearing a roadblock for them to take their relationship in that direction in a more believable way, personally, though I think it'll be a while before they actually get together regardless.
 
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And then there we were on 2029, and somehow we never got a Yumi purity route. It was the true end the whole time.
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And before you dismiss it as just a joke (although it is mostly a joke), do recall that there is that 1% of evidence from original Akira following Yumi even before the resets.
 
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