Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.55.0] [Selebus]

[shmurfer]

Because for me personally, the idea I struggled the most with after reading 0.53 was “why even bother creating this insanely well-written harem story where the protagonist has amazing (and different) chemistry with literally every single girl if you’re just going to blatantly come out and point at one of them as being ‘the objectively canon choice’ halfway through”

Assuming that the game where there's literally a harem part where he fucks all the girls and then has a section where every girl gets a perfect 1 on 1 ending epilogue, before we go back to a true ending, to then have that ending be a 1 on 1 monogamous relationship is the trap I think. There won't be a OTP at the end. This could mean a harem-ish ending where they share to some degree, but it could also end with him dying, among other options.

Spoiler: Sensei doesn't think it's meant to be

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Also if there will be the pivotal girl in the story, it's gonna turn out to be Yumi, mark my words

Crackpot guess, Nao-Chan was wished by Yumi. Trying to think where her special plot and memory of past resets are gonna end up.

I just want to remind, as part of our current Himawari discussion, that Ayane has already been pregnant. She was 100% pregnant as part of the reset that she kept her memories in; Post reset she mentions that she felt like she had just lost something important, and forgets that she was pregnant, which mirrors what Akira and Ayane say as part of 0.53's reset. IE, when Himawari resets them and takes their memories.

slight correction, the reset where she first makes it to the rooftop. She doesn't remember it happening, she breaks down over losing something important, Sensei tries to get her to remember a couple of times during that cycle, and that reset ends with her becoming aware, rescuing Maya and then sticking around with her memories.

I think her Chapter 3 character arc is the perfect encapsulation of this. She spent the whole chapter acting like a murderous psychopath who could snap at any moment. Then Ayane confronts her on the beach and it's revealed Ami's behavior was all a bluff, a calculated attempt to scare other people away from Sensei. What she was doing was cruel and selfish, but she wasn't capable of actually hurting anyone (physically). It doesn't sit right with me to turn around and claim this was all a double bluff, and she's actually been murdering people all along (but conveniently stopped when the game started).

I feel like I should point out again that Sel highlighted Makoto asking Ami about the apocalypse and resets. Whatever the answer to this part of Ami is, it hinges on this fact.

 

[Klldarkness]

slight correction, the reset where she first makes it to the rooftop. She doesn't remember it happening, she breaks down over losing something important, Sensei tries to get her to remember a couple of times during that cycle, and that reset ends with her becoming aware, rescuing Maya and then sticking around with her memories.

Oh yes, thank you! I forgot this was two parts. Assuming as I am that Himawari was born THEN, it fits. This would be the timeline that continues on to make Himawari, seeing as how you'd need to get pregnant at the exact right moment to make a specific person. With her having already been pregnant, and reset, I'd assume this is when that happens. Too large of a coincidence otherwise.

I wonder if, as part of keeping your memories, it's related to how much Himawari interferes on your behalf?

Because it's definitely not just being pregnant, seeing as Yumi and Akira haven't even fucked yet.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

My only point of contention is that Himawari says she made that dream world because she misses her family so much. This doesn't imply that she made it because something bad happened; It could just as likely be that she had to leave them behind to work for the company, in order to play out the events in the past that lead to her creation.

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[Moonflare]

My only point of contention is that Himawari says she made that dream world because she misses her family so much. This doesn't imply that she made it because something bad happened; It could just as likely be that she had to leave them behind to work for the company, in order to play out the events in the past that lead to her creation.

If Himawari had to go to TERMINAL 23 because time is a closed loop, then she'd be able to change nothing, because the very reason she's going there is that she has to replay everything as it has been. If she can change things, then time isn't a closed loop and she doesn't have to go there in the first place, but chose to for her own reasoning.

I could say much more about this, but TheGoodPastor explained it quite well already.

Also, still waiting on your response as to where exactly Kyoko said that Nodoka's father is called Akira.

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[beh123234]

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Okay, I've been absolutely dead wrong about all my theorycrafting I've done so far (though there is still a possibility that Nodoka's not supposed to be here), but this update has had the most transparent language in a while that's so intriguing that I'm ready to be dead wrong again:

Spoiler: Grand Unified Theory of Everything (Not really, but it sounds cool)

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In any rate, 10/10 update. Absolutely loved every part of it, and I'm really bummed that it's gonna be a long while before we see Himawari again. The single cutest thing she did was when she thought Geoffrey was ringing the doorbell, she went:

Spoiler: Hima-Chan

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Also, Adult Sana is hilarious

I've previously thrown my hat in the theorycrafting ring speculating on what specifically was the catalyst for Himawari's interference in the timeline. Tldr: I think in Himawari's original timeline, Akira hadn't fully overcome his personal problems, culminating in his suicide that Himawari witnessed or walked in on.

 

[Klldarkness]

If Himawari had to go to TERMINAL 23 because time is a closed loop, then she'd be able to change nothing, because the very reason she's going there is that she has to replay everything as it has been. If she can change things, then time isn't a closed loop and she doesn't have to go there in the first place, but chose to for her own reasoning.

I could say much more about this, but TheGoodPastor explained it quite well already.

Also, still waiting on your response as to where exactly Kyoko said that Nodoka's father is called Akira.

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Sorry, I wasn't saying that she did, I was saying that as an assumption of something that MAY have been said, to lead to Nodoka's reaction to learning Sensei's name. She reacted in a very particular way, so I was guessing as to why that happened.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

I've previously thrown my hat in the theorycrafting ring speculating on what specifically was the catalyst for Himawari's interference in the timeline. Tldr: I think in Himawari's original timeline, Akira hadn't fully overcome his personal problems, culminating in his suicide that Himawari witnessed or walked in on.

Yeah, this is more or less my running theory. And most other people's too, I would imagine.

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[Moonflare]

(simplified) I assumed Kyoko told Nodoka her father's name was Akira, from the way Nodoka reacted upon learning Akira's name.

That is quite an assumption to make. We were wondering how we could have missed it until now.

Why would Ami attack every girl with the only exception of prime Maya. And the moment there is a fake one, she can't stop toying with her, as if she's been waiting million of years for the opportunity.

There's a lot to say here.

Spoiler: Mayas and Amis

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The points you raise are definitely worth talking about though, good going.

 

[Klldarkness]

That is quite an assumption to make. We were wondering how we could have missed it until now.

To me it makes sense because of the way events went. Nodoka wasn't interested in Akira until after she learned his name. With how interested in Incest she is, I'd call that point 1. She also starts referring to him as father, as opposed to 'Daddy', which is the kink related term. I'd call that point 2.

She also starts looking into his past, investigating Sekai, listening to her mom's rambling(Shiori's name being mentioned), all around this same time, and it seemed to me to all be because of learning Akira's name.

Also, how Ami just massacres the girl before she can even speak in the alternate timeline. Ami shows great malice towards those she considers threats to her and Akira's relationship. Considering how he is with Himawari, if Nodoka is ALSO his daughter, that could explain why Ami would stab her up so quickly in that timeline.

(Some of these events may be mildly out of order)

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: 0.55 Preview??

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[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: New Look For Chika (0.55 Preview)

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[DeSkel15]

On the topic of Himawari:
Personally, I'm not convinced that Himawari is even actually messing with time. The looping and resets and even other worlds don't actually seem to alter time, so much as it simulates the idea of time being manipulated. The gods don't even seem that powerful.

Nevertheless, whatever Himawari has been doing, she does kind of suck at it:

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So, any Himawari happy ending seems rather unlikely at this point, besides maybe Ayane's purity route which could be the world Himawari is from.

I also won't be surprised if Sensei gives up on things and goes back to his usual self next update, since Ami probably knew what she was doing.

Frankly, Maya might be Ami's secret weapon, because Maya makes Sensei numb. It's part of their cycle. It's not the first time that she's used Maya to control Sensei, even in this chapter. Maya sex was probably banned for a reason.

That is quite an assumption to make. We were wondering how we could have missed it until now.

There's a lot to say here.

Spoiler: Mayas and Amis

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The points you raise are definitely worth talking about though, good going.

I've actually been wanting to mention the Ami being mindwiped and regaining memories thing, because that might explain Ami's 'Della' Event and a reason she's unstable. Ami Prime should have at least millions of years of memories:

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To the point that she's likely known multiple Maya Primes:

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And that the current timeline is nostalgic to her:

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All those memories coming back could explain her mental breakdown, and being bedridden, among other things.

Of course, there's also the Ghost Sekai in her ear, the murdered Ami, the special and twisted Ami things, and Nao, and Himawari's Ami clones, so there's probably a lot more going on with her. Whatever Ami's story is, it has to be convoluted. She even seems like she might be or has became this world's caretaker.

Spoiler: New Look For Chika (0.55 Preview)

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Good for her. It always bothered me how she suddenly stopped doing something that surely came from her mother. It was likely a sign of how she had forgotten what was important.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: Helping the Elderly

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[Klldarkness]

Spoiler: Helpling the Elderly

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0.55 is getting very interesting.

 

[Bingoogus]

Spoiler: Helpling the Elderly

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[CharlotteWiltshire26]

Okay, so, I have a couple of problems with this.

Spoiler: many disagreements

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Wow, there is *a lot* to go over with this response. And, judging by some of your counterpoints, many of my actual thoughts on Himawari’s situation seems to have once again gotten “lost in translation” – I’ll chalk it up to me being half-sick and partially sleep-deprived when I was writing my “Himawari exposé” and try to be a lot more direct this time, in order to not leave even the slightest bit of room for any potential misunderstandings:

Spoiler: Point one: Himawari

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Spoiler: Point two: the Trinity

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Spoiler: Point three: Manipulation

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Spoiler: Point four: the True Ending

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As for everyone else: sorry, I’ll reply to your posts a bit later.

 

[Moonflare]

I see no big misunderstanding (on my part) with what you said.

Spoiler: Point 1

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Spoiler: Point 2

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Spoiler: Point 3

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Spoiler: Point 4

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This took a long time to reply to, and I tried to make it digestible to others. But it's understandable if people skip it.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: Ptsd

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[derekthered56]

Spoiler: Ptsd

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I'd say this time she also won because she lost.

 

[Ehmgeeaye]

Spoiler: Ptsd

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earned. the way she talked was actually sickening