Ren'Py Lessons in Love [v0.55.0] [Selebus]

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Maki

I am with you. For me, Maki's decision in this update isn't exactly something out of the blue; her reluctance, self-doubt, inabilities, guilt, etc. Collectively it makes just enough sense so that Akira lives to see another day. But, like you said, all those could've been articulated much, much better by doing this from Maki's POV. Giving her just one more event full of her monologues to indicate just how many struggles she has in her would be great.
(would love a scene where she goes back to the shop and continues to cry her eyes out, while vandalizing all the dildos in the shop in a fit of helplessness and self-hate)

And I ask for that not only because I would otherwise not be able to fully comprehend Maki's decision/indecision. Since Selly isn't doing these revelations only by the end of harem phase, every supposed penultimate almost all gets forcibly turned into mere "now what?". Situations that should absolutely make a character inaccessible forever at the bare minimum quickly shrink into temporary hiccups. With this setup, I humbly ask for just a few additional Maki scenes with just her and her internal torment after talking to Akira so that I can at least get some kind of peace of mind, knowing how zero-effort Akira dodged yet another bullet but actually only just barely. It's always by some unfortunate miracle, and not always by Selly's 4th wall-breaking mercy that thinks it's still too early for shit to hit the fan full throttle.

With that being said, however, I hope this pattern does not repeat when it is Imani's turn because 1) this gets old very quickly, and 2) there is no way Imani would let same miracle happen.

 

[MrFox94]

Spoiler: 0.56 Preview

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Oh, my poor heart... I'm going to cry again with Nikki's events, aren't I?

Quick thoughts on 0.55: good update but inferior to the previous one. Akira lost all his protagonist aura.

 

[Moonflare]

(would love a scene where she goes back to the shop and continues to cry her eyes out, while vandalizing all the dildos in the shop in a fit of helplessness and self-hate)

You got what I feel in its entirety. There is so much depth to be had in some of the situations Selebus creates and yet we're limited to a very rarely and slowly changing Akira's pov (at the speed of one snail pushing two snails up a hill).

How amazing would be to see the scene you described? For Maki to actually break not only in how it relates to Akira, but blaming herself for influencing a Makoto that would let herself be taken by a predator. Hell, make her redirect hate towards Masahiro for making her this way, and yet still looking like a hero to Makoto. How unfair would that be in her eyes during a crashout?

I'd be way more interested in that POV than skipping Akira's monologues, which has become routine by now.

 

[TheSeedy1]

I see 3 new Touka events - oh man, dare I hope things finally happened? HRM!

 

[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

guys how do I trigger the Io, Maki and Osako events? Those are only ones I haven't seen for this update

https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-trigger-guides-v0-55-0.275514/post-19070848

 

[Jejkdkkdkdkdkdm]

Spoiler: 0:55

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[Zarcord the venezuelan]

Spoiler: Sensei, i despite you as a person, but i love you as a character. Sometimes, you make me happy. But now, i´m fk mad!!

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[LoveWhiteHairedGirl]

Spoiler: Sensei, i despite you as a person, but i love you as a character. Sometimes, you make me happy. But now, i´m fk mad!!

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This GIF is literally what's going on.

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[grimfate56]

Anyone else pick up on two events in particular, that being Touka at the vending machine and Maki&Makoto argument.

Both events we have someone *not* from the Rooftop Apocalypse Squad and mentioning knowing Akira for 'Years', while also having someone *from* the Squad present.
I thought they weren't allowed to understand anything about how the years have been passing or whatnot. Is my tin-foil hat on too tight I am losing bloodflow to my brain.

 

[shmurfer]

But Maki, while good intentioned...is not emotionally smart enough to handle that kind of fallout. It is unlucky for her that she gets no moral support, being that one friend is a predator(and the worst kind at that), the other a mother so desperate for her child to love her that she'd share her with a much, much older man. That her daughter is significantly smarter than she is, and in love with the town Super Predator.

If even one of her friends were normal, she'd have been able to do more in this situation than fall apart, and fall back to old habits. Keep in mind how often she said she is useless without her husband! How he did all the difficult things, and she needed him for those.

I wonder how far Makoto's recklessness is willing to push things. Maki's trying to do the "right" thing, but she's been hurting Makoto for so long, seemingly outside of the loops too, that she was very close to killing herself. Sensei has been the best thing in her life right lately, and actually removing him would just hurt Makoto far more than anything Maki is imagining would happen instead.

There's so much potential for this storyline.
Makoto flipping out about Maki going behind her back again Makoto, that Maki thinks she knows what's best for Makoto when their parenting style (Yes Masahiro too, even if Makoto has rose tinted glasses about him since he's "dead") drove Makoto to the point of suicidal ideation for a long time before Sensei started grooming her, Makoto revealing she attempted suicide (bonus points for saying she actually jumped off a roof), Maki jumping off a roof in a recreation of Bluejay, Makoto and Sensei being there to witness the jump, whether Sel would reset Maki back to the roof or not, the aftermath whichever way it goes, and if Maki is reset to the roof whether they test if the inhibitor is still working on Maki now)
I hope Sel can deliver, this could be a major part of this cycle and might reach its climax near the latter half of the cycle, bluejay wasn't in the same update as the reset right?


On a different note I'd like if you're right about Maki's porn career, it would be interesting if Maki's so single minded on this issue because of personal trauma, instead of being so dumb that she doesn't realise even if she's right she's gonna hurt Makoto so much more in her pursuit of trying to not have her be hurt.

Spoiler: On Replay, More Evidence of Maki's Acting Career

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I was going to suggest the Times New Roman pictures of them, but commentary says none of them are the actual people in the porn.

 

[TheGoodPastor]

Anyone else pick up on two events in particular, that being Touka at the vending machine and Maki&Makoto argument.

Both events we have someone *not* from the Rooftop Apocalypse Squad and mentioning knowing Akira for 'Years', while also having someone *from* the Squad present.
I thought they weren't allowed to understand anything about how the years have been passing or whatnot. Is my tin-foil hat on too tight I am losing bloodflow to my brain.

Yeah, but I wouldn't put much stock in it right now. There are many instances of girls casually mentioning that they've known Akira for years or for a long time, they're just not able to recognise the problem with that. If it's pointed out they're like "huh it's only been a year I guess" or if they stop and think about it they brush it off.

Wakana almost seemed to in 'Follow My Lead' but it didn't go anywhere and it wasn't even addressed with Touka/Maki here so I doubt anything's gonna come of either instance as far as them picking up on more right now goes, particularly in Maki's case since we probably won't be seeing much of her for a while. I guess Maki finding out about the loops could be one way for her to move past Akira and Makoto hooking up though lol

 

[barglenarglezous]

Anyone else pick up on two events in particular, that being Touka at the vending machine and Maki&Makoto argument.

Both events we have someone *not* from the Rooftop Apocalypse Squad and mentioning knowing Akira for 'Years', while also having someone *from* the Squad present.
I thought they weren't allowed to understand anything about how the years have been passing or whatnot. Is my tin-foil hat on too tight I am losing bloodflow to my brain.

They continuously make passing references about it, saying things like "last Christmas" etc.

It's when they stop to actually think about how it might be possible to know someone for years while only being 3-4 months, or having multiple Christmases in a school year that the rules of the universe kick in.

Passing references good. Activitely drawing attention to it bad.

 

[derekthered56]

I wonder how far Makoto's recklessness is willing to push things. Maki's trying to do the "right" thing, but she's been hurting Makoto for so long, seemingly outside of the loops too, that she was very close to killing herself. Sensei has been the best thing in her life right lately, and actually removing him would just hurt Makoto far more than anything Maki is imagining would happen instead.

There's so much potential for this storyline.
Makoto flipping out about Maki going behind her back again Makoto, that Maki thinks she knows what's best for Makoto when their parenting style (Yes Masahiro too, even if Makoto has rose tinted glasses about him since he's "dead") drove Makoto to the point of suicidal ideation for a long time before Sensei started grooming her, Makoto revealing she attempted suicide (bonus points for saying she actually jumped off a roof), Maki jumping off a roof in a recreation of Bluejay, Makoto and Sensei being there to witness the jump, whether Sel would reset Maki back to the roof or not, the aftermath whichever way it goes, and if Maki is reset to the roof whether they test if the inhibitor is still working on Maki now)
I hope Sel can deliver, this could be a major part of this cycle and might reach its climax near the latter half of the cycle, bluejay wasn't in the same update as the reset right?

After bullying her mother to tears, I think Makoto is done trying to guilt-trip Maki into submission. And for her part, Maki already realizes that forcibly removing Akira might just make everything worse. Simply begging him to stop was her last and only card.

 

[shmurfer]

After bullying her mother to tears, I think Makoto is done trying to guilt-trip Maki into submission. And for her part, Maki already realizes that forcibly removing Akira might just make everything worse. Simply begging him to stop was her last and only card.

Do you recall the last time her and Akira talked about the loops? (Before christmalloween) She was ready to confess to Maki purely to test the limits of the world.

And if she can start venting about how bullshit her childhood had to be, I think she's gonna take it. It's gonna take consequences for her to change on par with her jumping off the roof, having her father die, or learning the world is a lie. If making Maki sad for a moment was enough to change herself she'd have been happy a long time ago.

 

[Detective Dc345]

Spoiler: Your silence speaks volumes Selebus

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[derekthered56]

Do you recall the last time her and Akira talked about the loops? (Before christmalloween) She was ready to confess to Maki purely to test the limits of the world.

And if she can start venting about how bullshit her childhood had to be, I think she's gonna take it. It's gonna take consequences for her to change on par with her jumping off the roof, having her father die, or learning the world is a lie. If making Maki sad for a moment was enough to change herself she'd have been happy a long time ago.

Sure she offered that as a hypothetical plan, and was willing to go through plenty of venting, before she knew what that would actually do to Maki. As soon as she saw the results she immediately backtracked to either grounding herself or confessing everything. Yeah fundementally changing Makoto's character would take much more than this one scene, but I don't see it as a fundemental change; deep down she doesn't actually want Maki to suffer.

Also she cares about Miku way too much to just straight up disregard her advice.

 

[BBM62]

Apparently Molly's Invite Event is not modified to account for Sensei currently living alone due to both Ami and Niki moving out as a result of Sensei fucking Noriko for 5 hours straight. Fun!