VN Ren'Py Completed Life Changes for Keeley [v1.0] [Tora Productions]

[Tlaero]

By the way, even choosing to blame Keeley and releasing the "revenge" sex tape Keisha still mentioned Claryce and Keeley as being only friends. Did i miss something? Was there another choice i needed to make in James's path to change Keisha's dialogue?

No, you didn't miss anything. In any path where James can possibly get back together with Keeley, Claryce is a friend.

Tlaero

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

No, you didn't miss anything. In any path where James can possibly get back together with Keeley, Claryce is a friend.

Tlaero

Ah. Tought i was somehow low on the scumbag meter. Kinda wish it was possible to align the romance path(K♥C) in one side and the random hook ups path(J) in the other.

 

[kasra2390]

do people really get off to these shitty models? why not just view real porn instead of these 3d goblins

 

[Marco6661]

do people really get off to these shitty models? why not just view real porn instead of these 3d goblins

It seems that quite a few of us like what you call 'shitty models'.
Is your interest in this kind of game based solely on your esthetic preferences? If the story is of no interest to you, so maybe you took the wrong path when you tried a Tlaero & Mortze game.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

do people really get off to these shitty models? why not just view real porn instead of these 3d goblins

So you needed two years to come up with this pearl of wisdom?

Go back to your bridge and think harder until next time in 2022...

 

[Lucifer]

Thanks guys for this game! It was more than beautiful to see Keeley, Keisha and James again.
Mortze, man you're great. I think you keep getting better, the images in this game are perfect, absolutely fantastic. I know this might sound silly, but I've never seen such detailed and beautifully rendered feet in any game I've played. There's an extreme attention to detail, and it shows, you did a fantastic work!

Tlaero, your skill with words manage to always give me shivers. Thanks guys, I really enjoyed this game!

 

[北方玄武]

Sorry for the confusion. I'm pretty sure the first page with Claryce in the game's intro describes her as a homosexual and explicitly says that, if you take that path, you'll try to start a romantic relationship with Keeley. Is there something else I should have said to make it more clear?

Tlaero

No problem, i will check out this game and see for myself how the game looks like. From the screenshots it looks very impressive.
Nope, everything is clear now.

 

[Acheron32]

Any chance of a reconciliation between husband and wife?

Hope not fucker deserves booting to the curb for cheating you don't give those people a second chance.

 

[syh653]

God, there's so much more I have on my mind about this game. I loved seeing Tlaero's model. Her model is so unique and beautiful, just like the rest of Mortze's models and I love the end game interviews and talks as well. Elena said it, but I never dared to cause I thought it would be a little disrespectful and possibly creepy, but since those post credit interviews were all in good fun, yes, I am one of the fans who would love to see her character model naked. I'd even love a solo game with the character she plays in this game, but I imagine that'd be pretty uncomfortable.

Elena escalated that one pretty quickly too.

Since this is all technically "acted", it would be a cool thing to actually see a game where the actors live their "real" day to day lives. (If Mortze were to live day to day life with the the storm trooper helmet, I think I'd die of laughter.)

You mean he doesn't?! The scene with Thais was a lie?! I always thought Mortze was like Strongbad: you don't ask him to take off his face.

 

[takuya.aihara]

I like the idea of choosing between two protagonists. I'll give this title a try over the weekend. Thanks for your efforts!

 

[Pervy Lad]

What can I say that some other degen in this thread hasn't. Great game as per usual from a pair of this "industries" best devs, can't wait to see what comes next.

 

[Matt12304]

Any chance this game will ever be playable on iOS devices/ is there a way to play it on iOS devices?

 

[Jack_Smythe]

I really, REALLY, wanted to like this game being a fan of Tlaero since day one, but I found it to be subpar to previous games. Mortze nails it with the artwork and renders and it is a beautiful game. However, especially in James' route, there is little substance. He basically fucks his way through everything with little to no effort. Even Keisha, who is miraculously single again, approaches her best friend's ex-husband and is like, "Let's fuck!" making a statement that Keeley's feelings don't mean shit to her. James literally can fuck every woman he meets with no help...in fact most jump on him.

Overall, I expected better writing from Tlaero. Maybe she phoned it in on James' story and spent much more time on Claryce's. Or...she doesn't understand men well. Where's the seduction? Where's the romance? Where's the relationship building and flirtation? And that's probably why the game felt empty to me and left me disappointed.

I for one am a fan of the UI.

I think Mortze is a great artist and I understand they are attempting to make the character models more realistic but I'm not a fan of some of the choices. I think some deviations went a bit too far but that's just a subjective view point. I have no opinion on the bush though I can see how the European-natural isn't for everyone.

Not sure if I like the "actors" angle. I took it more for a cheeky way to distance responsibility for the newer models if there was some backlash. It gives a cop out that they can "re-cast" the role with a different model.

I do, unfortunately, agree with some posters here that pointed out Tlaero seems to be making decisions based on what she believes the fans want versus what she wants. I think she is forgetting that the reason the first games were so successful is because people were attracted to her vision, not to their own. When you start changing things to please people, the people will lose interest.

I was truly heartbroken that she said this was going to be her swan song because I know she has so much more in her but I believe she has just lost her way.

 

[Tlaero]

This is fair criticism. One challenge in going for variety is that, while it gives a lot of different people what they want, it also gives people who play all the paths things they don't want. I did contentiously write the James Cheater path for the people on F95 who complain about all of my games for being "too tame. " Many people skip all the text and just go straight to the sex. I think I gave them a good path to play.

The other three paths are more in line with what I would typically write. I really wanted to write a female protagonist game, but I know from experience that those are a hard sell to the general audience of these game. So there was going to need to be a James path in this to "allow" me to do Claryce's. Had this only been a "lesbian game," it would have had half as many downloads, if that. But the James Reconciliation path is the story I would want to write. You'll note that there's more words in that one than James Cheater.

You can say "I've lost my way" because I'm not just ignoring all feedback and writing the niche games that I want to play. But I invite you to spend a couple hundred hours of your free time making something and giving it away for free, just to see people say, "Oh, it's Tora. Meh. Tlaero's a prude. I'm not even going to try it."

I did write the niche game that I want to play. I just added more to it to broaden the audience and give some new (for me) people a chance to play the game that they want. It seems that you should judge the game on the playthrough that you like, not on the ones you don't. Yes, that opens me up to criticism that the game is too short, but that's probably true. Doing 4 paths in a game implicitly makes each of them 1/4 as long as they would have been (or makes the game take 4 times as long to create).

Tlaero

 

[Mortze]

I really, REALLY, wanted to like this game being a fan of Tlaero since day one, but I found it to be subpar to previous games. Mortze nails it with the artwork and renders and it is a beautiful game. However, especially in James' route, there is little substance. He basically fucks his way through everything with little to no effort. Even Keisha, who is miraculously single again, approaches her best friend's ex-husband and is like, "Let's fuck!" making a statement that Keeley's feelings don't mean shit to her. James literally can fuck every woman he meets with no help...in fact most jump on him.

Overall, I expected better writing from Tlaero. Maybe she phoned it in on James' story and spent much more time on Claryce's. Or...she doesn't understand men well. Where's the seduction? Where's the romance? Where's the relationship building and flirtation? And that's probably why the game felt empty to me and left me disappointed.

I for one am a fan of the UI.

I think Mortze is a great artist and I understand they are attempting to make the character models more realistic but I'm not a fan of some of the choices. I think some deviations went a bit too far but that's just a subjective view point. I have no opinion on the bush though I can see how the European-natural isn't for everyone.

Not sure if I like the "actors" angle. I took it more for a cheeky way to distance responsibility for the newer models if there was some backlash. It gives a cop out that they can "re-cast" the role with a different model.

I do, unfortunately, agree with some posters here that pointed out Tlaero seems to be making decisions based on what she believes the fans want versus what she wants. I think she is forgetting that the reason the first games were so successful is because people were attracted to her vision, not to their own. When you start changing things to please people, the people will lose interest.

I was truly heartbroken that she said this was going to be her swan song because I know she has so much more in her but I believe she has just lost her way.

James gets it easy, that's true, but that's just 1/4 of the paths. And that particular path is intended for players who like just that, easy - yet unrealistic- sex opportunities. The other 3 paths have a more realistic, and Tlaero normal flavor, taste. You'll say that there shouldn't be an easy sex path in the first place and I'll agree. It takes consistency away. Despite taht, and considering that this game was written by Tlaero at a time she thought it might be the last game she'll write she took the decision to make a game trying to please a huge variety of players. It's a legit choice, considering the context. Would I have chosen the same? I'd probably be crying in a corner instead of considering writing a swan song game because I'm not as dedicated as Tlaero. I do understand your opinion because that 1/4 of the game is dissonant of what Tlaero writes usually though and as a fan it doesn't fell right by you. I have the same feelings towards my favorite franchise.

And you should be fair with Keisha. She didn't jump on James without first talking about it with Keeley, and only as a mean to show Keeley that James isn't to be trusted, to help her friend to move on. Keisha did it FOR Keeley and with Keeley's approval, not behind Keeley's back. Keisha isn't single again in this game. If you play Coffee for Keisha at the end it says that Keisha and the MC split up. We don't know how many weeks or months pass between Coffe for Keisha and this game but it's fair to assume that Keisha is single, or has had relationships in between, it doesn't matter. She isn't cheating on anyone. I don't know if Keisha makes a statement in the game that Keeley's feelings mean shit to her but if she does she certainly doesn't mean it; she will seduce James solely to help Keeley. Is that correct? That's debatable. Is it wrong for Keisha to enjoy the sex with James? Debatable too. But there's no mistake that Keisha does it primarily to help her friend, not to have a good lay and laugh at Keeley.

Could you elaborate on what choices you didn't like for the models? The only serious critics on the models I've had so far are about the pubic hair and you seem to be the only one that has something to tell that is not related to pubes, and that's refreshing. I don't think I would "re-cast" anyone since I am particularly happy with the models. When I decide to change a model or update her/him it's always because I don't feel satisfied with it; never because of the players critics. So no, the "actors" play isn't at all a way to avoid responsibility. I will always stand by the "actors" in my games!

Don't be heart broken. I don't think that this game was Tlaero's last one.

 

[Lucifer]

I just want to tell it expliticly: Mortze, there are tons of players who love pubic hair on women. I'm one among them.
Somehow, most people who don't like something, usually complains about it. While so many people that love the very same thing, don't take the time to say thank you, or to express how much and why they loved it. That's sad for an artist.

 

[Mortze]

I just want to tell it explicitly: Mortze, there are tons of players who love pubic hair on women. I'm one among them.
Somehow, most people who don't like something, usually complains about it. While so many people that love the very same thing, don't take the time to say thank you, or to express how much and why they loved it. That's sad for an artist.

That's true.
But with the risk of sounding cocky I don't care when the critics are about some physical aspect of the models. I try to make the models diverse and realistic, according to my own tastes. There will always be someone who doesn't like the size of the tits, the color of the skin, the haircut, the pubes, the face, you name it. I don't feel the obligation to tend to that person's personal tastes unless he reaches out and commissions me some work. Never in a free game! I know that Elsa's case is perhaps extreme but it's in no case unrealistic. I watch porn, I've dated women. I have seen cases that are not shy to Elsa's pubes. They are more common than people realize, accustomed to scripted and staged pornography. Not all my models are like Elsa, and not all my models are like Jiljoo (who is clean shaved).

I'll say it again; I don't care about personal tastes on the models attributes. Anyone who writes their opinion to say that they don't like pubes is publicly saying something very few people care to read or know about, me first among them.

 

[Dehlaz]

I search for games with "lesbian" and "female protagonist" tags, so I think this may be the first time one of these games has come up in my searches. Seems to have lots of great reviews so I'm eager to give it a shot.

 

[Tlaero]

I hope you like it, Dehlaz!

Tlaero

 

[Dehlaz]

I hope you like it, Dehlaz!

Tlaero

Was a bit on the short side (which I understand is because I only played 1 of the 4 routes, Claryce's romance option), but other than that I have no complaints. I like how the relationship developed naturally but there was some light flirtation from the very beginning that built into more. Sometimes I feel like these games fumble lesbian flirting, but I didn't feel that here. And the models are sexy, and Claryce's look is something I don't see nearly enough of, especially (and perhaps surprisingly) in lesbian erotica. I guess maybe they're trying to defy stereotypes, but... well, as someone who appreciates the somewhat punk-y look, I have to say it was great to have one as a protagonist. Also love that she draws nude girls.

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