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Larry2000

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No, it's exactly as you said. But honestly, the girl, Dana, acts as a tool anyway, and accepts everything you want to do with her. If you choose the love path - she is happy and in love. If you corrupt her little by little, she will like it too and she will be happy. If you want to use her to get close to the Reverend - well, she's not against it either, she'll agree to a threesome and judging by her thoughts, she really likes it too.

However, all this is not important now, the last time we heard anything from the developer was more than a year ago. Although he intended to continue working on the game, it obviously didn't work out. So I don’t think there is a chance that he will continue the game.

https://f95zone.to/threads/life-happened-v0-4-3-kinky-shop.52091/post-10732683
https://f95zone.to/threads/life-happened-v0-4-3-kinky-shop.52091/post-10738317
https://f95zone.to/threads/life-happened-v0-4-3-kinky-shop.52091/post-11140539
My general consensus is that if it ever came back. I know it’s not coming back soon, but if it did. They should just trim the fat. All that focus on that path with Dana with only contempt shown. Why not just focus on the main story bears and atmospheric writing if they want this cool epic.

Like, just removing everything after the prologue would skyrocket the games quality. Like instantly.

Also, it’s not sharing. It’s whoring. You can’t take someone that trusts your every word and make her follow your orders and not tell me that’s not a form of human trafficking. I know you probably already agree with me. I’m just saying in general. That’s the thing that turned me away from the game.

I know Kinky Shop still lurks around these parts. So I hope when he comes back he makes these changes. It’ll help him more in the long run.
 
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My general consensus is that if it ever came back. I know it’s not coming back soon, but if it did. They should just trim the fat. All that focus on that path with Dana with only contempt shown. Why not just focus on the main story bears and atmospheric writing if they want this cool epic.

Like, just removing everything after the prologue would skyrocket the games quality. Like instantly.
I'm not sure about that. I always thought that was the gist of the story, how a basically good and a bit naive guy turned into a crime boss, sometimes cruel and ruthless, who is capable of using even those close to him to achieve his goals.

The Dana plot may have been a bit uncalled with this sharing/whoring, but if you took away everything after the prologue, what would it be? It seemed like the plot was going as expected, with mature and experienced MC trying to finally destroy Jackie and find out what happened to Rachel. If you take that away, where should the story skyrocket to?
Also, it’s not sharing. It’s whoring. You can’t take someone that trusts your every word and make her follow your orders and not tell me that’s not a form of human trafficking. I know you probably already agree with me. I’m just saying in general. That’s the thing that turned me away from the game.
Yeah, but I think that's natural behavior for a chaotic MC. It's hard to go through what the MC went through and not change. Again, it's the player's choice, so if the MC orders Shorty to kill the reverend's wife, that's on the player. Many games offer dark and light paths, the choice is yours.
 
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I'm not sure about that. I always thought that was the gist of the story, how a basically good and a bit naive guy turned into a crime boss, sometimes cruel and ruthless, who is capable of using even those close to him to achieve his goals.

The Dana plot may have been a bit uncalled with this sharing/whoring, but if you took away everything after the prologue, what would it be? It seemed like the plot was going as expected, with mature and experienced MC trying to finally destroy Jackie and find out what happened to Rachel. If you take that away, where should the story skyrocket to?

Yeah, but I think that's natural behavior for a chaotic MC. It's hard to go through what the MC went through and not change. Again, it's the player's choice, so if the MC orders Shorty to kill the reverend's wife, that's on the player. Many games offer dark and light paths, the choice is yours.
I understand what the dev did, I know where the story was going, but my contention is that it was a bad one. Clearly, not everyone was in love with how it went. It takes away everything the prologue set up. Just cause the dev intended it, doesn’t mean it was the best move.

He could have been brutal and cruel without completely abandoning the things that made it sing. In this case we trade a well established prologue for a dull world of crime and edginess.

As to your last point about the options. What’s the point of an option if it’s inconsequential to the story? I’m not talking about optional dialogues that don’t change, just the text, I mean what would the personality change of Dana show except be a fancy fetish filter.

But that wasn’t even my main problem. If they want to tell their dark story, cool. But the story didn’t treat the whoring as something incredibly inhumane/immoral (which it was) it was a simple fetish toggle. There was a massive disconnect with me on that front.

If bad options are shown, they should at least be properly contextualized. At least in my opinion and it wasn’t. Which is also my problem with the perv protagonist from every MC from games between 2016-18. They would love their family members, then at night he would rape them. There is a big disconnect to how the dev presents them and what is actually happening.

Which is why I think it doesn’t fit. You can disagree and say it’s simply “an option man, your choice.” But the way I see it, if you give someone an option that involves selling your girlfriend to another man like someone subhuman, at least present it that way, not as a cheeky little option.
 
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If bad options are shown, they should at least be properly contextualized. At least in my opinion and it wasn’t. Which is also my problem with the perv protagonist from every MC from games between 2016-18. They would love their family members, then at night he would rape them. There is a big disconnect to how the dev presents them and what is actually happening.

Which is why I think it doesn’t fit. You can disagree and say it’s simply “an option man, your choice.” But the way I see it, if you give someone an option that involves selling your girlfriend to another man like someone subhuman, at least present it that way, not as a cheeky little option.
The tonality in this game didn't go like that though. Granted, it's been awhile, maybe ill play again to refresh my memory - but the whole Dana thing didn't have a dour tone, despite the actions. On the contrary, it was teasing, upbeat, until the end when he turned on him.

I know what you're talking about where protagonists are presented in writing in a manner at odds with what's actually going on in the game, but I just didn't feel like the tone was that dark here (with Dana). Hell I got way more of an emotional punch from when he shot the first girl.
 
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The tonality in this game didn't go like that though. Granted, it's been awhile, maybe ill play again to refresh my memory - but the whole Dana thing didn't have a dour tone, despite the actions. On the contrary, it was teasing, upbeat, until the end when he turned on him.

I know what you're talking about where protagonists are presented in writing in a manner at odds with what's actually going on in the game, but I just didn't feel like the tone was that dark here (with Dana). Hell I got way more of an emotional punch from when he shot the first girl.
I think you slightly misunderstood me. I’m saying that it wasn’t treated as a dark thing and that’s a problem. Regardless of how you feel about it (it’s hot or not) making someone who trusts you to make them fuck others irrespective of their interests is trafficking/whoring. It’s a dark act. But the game treats it like a fetish filter. Instead there should be a dark tone to show immoral actions.

For me it’s the same disconnect as rapist protagonists that say they love their families then abuse them in their sleep. In this case it’s the opposite. The MC does dark actions that is isn’t treated as such.

Hope that makes sense.
 

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I think you slightly misunderstood me. I’m saying that it wasn’t treated as a dark thing and that’s a problem. Regardless of how you feel about it (it’s hot or not) making someone who trusts you to make them fuck others irrespective of their interests is trafficking/whoring. It’s a dark act. But the game treats it like a fetish filter. Instead there should be a dark tone to show immoral actions.

For me it’s the same disconnect as rapist protagonists that say they love their families then abuse them in their sleep. In this case it’s the opposite. The MC does dark actions that is isn’t treated as such.

Hope that makes sense.
But it DOES matter what her interests are. Indeed, the scenes would have felt much different if she wasn't also enjoying herself. You're making it sound like the mc was this taxi driver-esque Harvey Keitel character, who sent her off while she hid the pain. That's not what was displayed in game with the images and dialogue.

Immoral is a very slippery word when we're talking about porn games. I think most would agree whether the participant in a given act is showing enjoying themselves plays a big part in this context of how 'immoral' it feels. I'm not talking about any real-world, values-based morality, but specifically in the context of porn games. While I abhor "sleep sex" (rape) scenarios, I think both of us would have a different reaction to a scene where the girl woke up, started giggling and reciprocated. The way they feel about the act DOES matter.
 

Larry2000

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But it DOES matter what her interests are. Indeed, the scenes would have felt much different if she wasn't also enjoying herself. You're making it sound like the mc was this taxi driver-esque Harvey Keitel character, who sent her off while she hid the pain. That's not what was displayed in game with the images and dialogue.

Immoral is a very slippery word when we're talking about porn games. I think most would agree whether the participant in a given act is showing enjoying themselves plays a big part in this context of how 'immoral' it feels. I'm not talking about any real-world, values-based morality, but specifically in the context of porn games. While I abhor "sleep sex" (rape) scenarios, I think both of us would have a different reaction to a scene where the girl woke up, started giggling and reciprocated. The way they feel about the act DOES matter.
Once again you’re misunderstanding me. I’m not imparting my own moral standards. I’m saying that the game isn’t placing any of its own. If the game would inform that some harm is being done then it would be fine.

The whole point of the game is how this man was betrayed and he’s cruel and cold. Then how is the game not imparting a moral or immoral message. It actively goes against its own narrative in this instance.

My morality isn’t what’s the problem it’s that it lacks any of its own. Saying that “she also enjoys it” is silly at best and at worse naive.

That’s like saying “that person was turned on being groped against her will so it’s okay”. If there is consistent logic this wouldn’t be the case.
 
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