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What a great chapter, thank you naughtyroad for sending us on the feels rollercoaster once again 
Some thoughts: I felt the Macy lovemaking scene could have included some shots from the MC POV, especially a direct face-to-face moment (like previous Macy kissing scenes). There ended up being a bit of an emotional disconnect between me and the characters and lost a bit of the intimacy of the scene for me.
I was also eager to see how you would hide the MC's head in these complex scenes, an interesting technical challenge to be sure
Some thoughts: I felt the Macy lovemaking scene could have included some shots from the MC POV, especially a direct face-to-face moment (like previous Macy kissing scenes). There ended up being a bit of an emotional disconnect between me and the characters and lost a bit of the intimacy of the scene for me.
I was also eager to see how you would hide the MC's head in these complex scenes, an interesting technical challenge to be sure
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Now that you mention it, I have an inkling as well..
- Jul 4, 2017
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Long awaited update and it didn't disappoint! If the long waits yield proper chapters with solid content like this then I'm fine waiting...
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- Mar 8, 2020
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You don't need one for this VN, most of it is just common sense.
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There is a walkthrough, but as you can easily see if you glance at the first page, it thoroughly mess up the game and leave it unplayable. As also stated, on the first page as well, you do not need one. The dev does not want to screw you over, so you have to really be a dick to the people in the game, or flat out refuse to pursue interactions with them to miss out on stuff. There are no lockout paths you can accidentally drop into. The point the dev makes about no walkthrough is that you can impact your own personality to the dialogue, what you choose will be referenced in later interactions and so on.
I agree that this update doesn't need a walkthrough (at least I hope I didn't miss anything). However, some people have a very limited amount of time they can spend playing these games and a walkthrough helpls them to know they aren't missing things. I don't have the time to do multiple playthroughs and it pisses me off when I learn that I missed whole story lines because I made a choice hours back in a game and know there is no way I'm ever going to have the time to go back and follow another path. I have zero anxiety about making choices. I just don't want to waste my time looking for the correct random choice combo that gets to certain scenes.
Thanks for the entertainment. And thanks to the people that compile the walkthroughs that help people like me optimize their time.
Hats off to this update for
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Just finished the chapter. Well done, did not disappoint. The
scene reduced me to tears due to being a bit too close to my own recent history, but that's not a criticism.
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- Nov 11, 2017
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This is a long installment - making choices that cut off the office-related hijinks, additional conversation or H-scenes with the wards, etc. because you are running low on time = will miss both meaningful content related to the story AND plenty of H-scenes of a very high quality.
The choices offered are mostly obvious and allow the player to decide if they want to take one tack with a character (i.e., non-destructive choices that don't fully impact the relationship, but maybe some additional content here or there) or whether they want to cut out deeper involvement with characters, altogether. But there are no "fatal" choices, per se: i.e., the game goes on, however limited your interest in one or more sets of characters might remain + you can't permanently piss off a character based on your choices.
Yeah, thank the the modder that did a drop-and-run, because they implemented it using a method that is utterly unsustainable. The did this by duplicating just about every source file in the game in my code, thus ensuring that every installation on a higher version will undo all fixes and changes there and cause all sorts of unpredictable behavior. Any developer worth their salt knows this is a Problem, which means they didn't care, or they didn't understand what they were doing. Make sure to buy them a coffee, they made sure that link was clearly visible when the pooped that low effort monstrosity out.
Unmaintainable why? Well come the next update, they'd have to go over all that code they duplicated and merge the changes made in the update into their code. Or reapply their changes into a fresh copy of mine.
That's a goddamn job and a half I can tell you. There's about 400 source files for the "story", most of which range from a few hundred and several thousand lines long (especially in the later chapters), and have 1.500 menu's that need to be edited (that's the method they use). Even if you understand your tooling, that takes you exectly "let's put up the kettle, we'll be at this for a while" hours.
It's pretty clear why the first modder declined to continue the mod, and allowed the second modder to take over. It's also pretty clear that the second modder didn't even consider merging chapter 4 changes in, and by ignorance or laziness just hooked another boxcar to this three-part train wreck-in-waiting.
Even if I know I should just shrug and move on, it really hurts somewhere deep inside when you spend months upon months trying to make something that is a good as you can make it, and then see someone put out some low effort crap that still has everyone cheering for them. And then when it inevitably goes tits up by their ineptitude somewhere down the lilne, everyone turns to me and goes "yer shit's broken, fix this."
They're fucking with my baby, they're fucking up your saves and introduce errors and glitches that diminish your experience I spent so much time on, and they're sullying my name in the process.
But keep applauding these modders that can't be bothered to put in an effort to do it in a right and sustainable way as they churn these mods out and rake in the coffees.
(just to clarify, I don't hate walkthrough mods in general, and I'm willing to turn over my own development documentation about choices in the game and what they do, if they can show that they can implement it in a maintainable way, for instance by plugging in to ren'py's translation functionality.
I've already passed it to the guy that did a brilliant effort on the pdf walkthrough last time and I'm sure he'll come through soon as he can).
(edit: goinghome1450 I know you meant to include the pdf mod makers as well, but this was too good a line not to latch on to to launch a rant. I hope you'll forgive me for some dramatics).
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I didn't even think of it at the time and thoroughly enjoyed the scene anyway but I agree with this in part, it's not even a matter of feeling an emotional disconnect though, I just really enjoy the face-to-face moments and I think they could be a boon in these scenes.
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Naughty, I think a large part of the issue with people's reliance on walkthrough mods here is a result of how most devs using Ren'Py structure their scripts in a similar manner. I touched on this in my review here... how this game is not set up like a logic diagram of choices. Unfortunately, that is how so so many devs do things with Ren'Py. I think that is because, for the most part, these are all amateurs breaking into the VN world, and most of them are not professional or even experienced amateurs in doing any creative writing. So they make a story outline up, then build the scripts so that you have to follow certain choices. If you laid it out on paper, you'd have this logic diagram with AND, OR, NAND gates, etc... and only one path possible to reach the "main lewd scene" These devs will spend hundreds of manhours on their renders (rightfully so) but then knock off the code in like a week. It's one of the reasons I use cheats a lot or I unlock the console and play with code directly - because I want to be able to skim past this poor coding and just get the "story" Heck, these are supposed to be simple games and/or visual novels.... we're not trying to unlock the Da Vinci Code here!
So most of the users here have been conditioned to think there's only one correct choice to get to the "juicy bits" so to speak, lol.
You, on the other hand, are actually a damn good writer. And you seem to have a firm grip on programming as well. I even fell into the trap of thinking your story would be similar in construction and so I was making saves at almost every dialogue choice when I first played LoML back in Sept. But then I started experimenting by deliberately going back and trying both paths out and I noticed that what you do, in most cases, is give the MC multiple dialogue choices that change the next several lines of dialogue. But then, in most cases, you'll guide the story back to where it needs to go. Some of those choices will impact dialogue later down the road, but very few choices will lock you out of the main content. So your MC choices are not there to influence forks in the story... instead, they are there to make subtle dialogue changes, so as to ENHANCE the story for the player by giving them the feeling that they are an active participant in the conversation.
This blew me away when I realized what you were doing. Not only by how much better it made the story, but by how much effort must have went into this.
If I was ever going to write a walkthrough for this game, I think it would be less then a single page long. Just those few major forks in the game that relate to the side characters and whether you want to "play" with them. Everything else, i would just write "Do what you think is right... there are no wrong choices"
PS: I have a confession to make. I did a really stupid thing back in September when I was playing 0.6.1 - I got to, I think, it was the end of Chapter 4, then your "Light of My Life" end-of-chapter background came up. I'm a little quick on the CTRL button when I want to bypass some loading or transition screens, but I didn't realize that you had disabled the ability to skim past these end of chapter transitions. So... stupidly ... I thought I had reached the end of the current content. I missed out on the whole Chapter 5!!
It wasn't until I played this version the other night that I had realized my mistake, lol. On the plus side... I had a huge amount of new content to enjoy!
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Remember everyone, like we mentioned in my guide post, this game does NOT need a handholding guide or mod and you will really be doing yourself a favor by playing without any sort of handholding method. If you have any bit of emotional knowledge and you know, actually read and play the game with genuine interest, you should easily be able to navigate every choice that gets presented to you on yourself.
That being said, I will try to update the point guide this weekend, for those that reaaaaalllly wanna use it or just look into it.
That being said, I will try to update the point guide this weekend, for those that reaaaaalllly wanna use it or just look into it.
Okay, I didn't realize until reading this thread that it's been TWO chapters since I last played. Everyone's been talking about scenes hitting hard and I was scratching my head thinking, "but it was a fun camping trip???"
Everyone's been talking about scenes hitting hard and I was scratching my head thinking, "but it was a fun camping trip???"
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As we are waiting for the next update (that will even top the current one or be of equal quality) let me quote from GOT.
"And now my watch begins."
"And now my watch begins."
Let's digress a little bit from the neverending talks about walkthroughs and derivates, and let's see how we performed in the game: IIRC, I managed to get Denise to 2 anxiety, how did it go for you? Better or worse than that?
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What are the fetish paths for Macy. I notice Denise has optional things like urination, eating "love juice" and asking where you like fantasize about cumming. But Macy seems to be straight forward other asking about a nipple ring.
What are the fetish paths for Macy. I notice Denise has optional things like urination, eating "love juice" and asking where you like fantasize about cumming. But Macy seems to be straight forward other asking about a nipple ring.