tehlemon

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This game look awesome. I'd like to know if it's possible to be a sissy/t-girl/femboy in it ?
Yes...

...however...

The game works off a gender assumption system based on appearance. You can tweak the settings, but then you're tweaking it for all characters. Unless you're completely exposed at all times, more often than not NPCs will just assume you're female. And then you'll just get a single throw away line during sex that you likely won't even see.
 

Jhgrz

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Yes...

...however...

The game works off a gender assumption system based on appearance. You can tweak the settings, but then you're tweaking it for all characters. Unless you're completely exposed at all times, more often than not NPCs will just assume you're female. And then you'll just get a single throw away line during sex that you likely won't even see.
I think I see what you mean. But basically I'd just love being able to look like a girl and be considered as such but with a cock, so it's totally fine if they use "she/her" and not "he/him" as long they don't use "vagina" when I actually have a penis. That would work ?
 

NoStepOnSnek

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I think I see what you mean. But basically I'd just love being able to look like a girl and be considered as such but with a cock, so it's totally fine if they use "she/her" and not "he/him" as long they don't use "vagina" when I actually have a penis. That would work ?
Oh yeah, absolutely. Just makes them a bit surprised the first time they see you nekkid.
Just note that the character creation doesn't let you go all the way over to fem if you have dick but you can fix that right after the prologue.
 

tehlemon

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I think I see what you mean. But basically I'd just love being able to look like a girl and be considered as such but with a cock, so it's totally fine if they use "she/her" and not "he/him" as long they don't use "vagina" when I actually have a penis. That would work ?
Yeah, you can definitely do that. You'll just get a throw away "surprise" line every time you have sex with anyone. But it doesn't have any impact on the game play, anyone's reactions, or change anything in the slightest, and it'll be buried in a wall of spam you'll likely ignore every time you see it, so... yeah.
 

Jhgrz

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Oh yeah, absolutely. Just makes them a bit surprised the first time they see you nekkid.
Just note that the character creation doesn't let you go all the way over to fem if you have dick but you can fix that right after the prologue.
That make it even better if they act surprised lol ! Do you mind explaining me what I have to do and what I should chose for the creation ?
 

kht

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Do you mind explaining me what I have to do and what I should chose for the creation ?
Simply create a regular male character, select androgynous looks, and dress with female clothes. Afterwards, you can use TF potions to grow boobs and/or further raise your feminity stat above androgynous if you want, but that's not even necessary (on default settings, the game will already treat you as a girl with that basic setup).
 

kenny

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Yeah, you can definitely do that. You'll just get a throw away "surprise" line every time you have sex with anyone. But it doesn't have any impact on the game play, anyone's reactions, or change anything in the slightest, and it'll be buried in a wall of spam you'll likely ignore every time you see it, so... yeah.
And this is, imho, where CoC is massively better. Unique sex encounters might me more limiting, but the total freedom of LT makes everything boring and samey. the prelude scenes to sex are actually more enticing than than act itself.
 

Jhgrz

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Simply create a regular male character, select androgynous looks, and dress with female clothes. Afterwards, you can use TF potions to grow boobs and/or further raise your feminity stat above androgynous if you want, but that's not even necessary (on default settings, the game will already treat you as a girl with that basic setup).
Understood ! Thank you very much
 

SilenceIsGolden

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And this is, imho, where CoC is massively better. Unique sex encounters might me more limiting, but the total freedom of LT makes everything boring and samey. the prelude scenes to sex are actually more enticing than than act itself.
That only really holds true if there is a large number of writers with a number of different fetishes. Hence why TiTs is disliked because it's all about herms/futas and CoC2 is disliked because many of its characters are just generic waifus (that no one is allowed to touch).

Each route through things has its strengths and weaknesses, and it's entirely up to the developer to take advantage of the former while mitigating the latter.
 
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SheepPun

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Each route through things has its strengths and weaknesses, and it's entirely up to the developer to take advantage of the former while mitigating the latter.
and Lilith's Throne is a prime example of what happens when a developer doesn't bother to mitigate the latter.


Also, antennae. It feels like the support for it has been in the game for years but still hasn't been touched. Seeing it always tricks my head into thinking there's a Bug based race, but nope. As much as I'd like to see one, I know for a fact there will be an immediate attempt to support penetration with them.
 

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I found this game since it's similar to CoC, etc. I like it, in some parts even more than CoC. It has nice ideas, and interesting characters, writing is good too, etc.

However... sigh. 4 years and the main story seems to be in the very beginning? Like, I reached the "end" of the main story content and was like. That's it? I dunno if there's a lot of stuff to do, because I was interested in the main story, not enslaving, breeding. Besides, the "sex" is easily the weakest part of this game in my opinion. Although I like most characters, the repetition and the guessing positions and stuff in that minigame are so boring after a time that I just decided to not have sex with anyone whenever I can have such choice and just ignore it.
Welcome to the club, buddy. Grab a chair, some drinks, maybe some popcorn if you'd like, and start chilling with the rest of us here in the forums. The forum sees more story development than the game and it has for a long time. Its far more entertaining here too. I doubt this will be changing anytime soon. Hope for this game isn't dead... but damn, is it dying fast.
 

NoStepOnSnek

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and Lilith's Throne is a prime example of what happens when a developer doesn't bother to mitigate the latter.


Also, antennae. It feels like the support for it has been in the game for years but still hasn't been touched. Seeing it always tricks my head into thinking there's a Bug based race, but nope. As much as I'd like to see one, I know for a fact there will be an immediate attempt to support penetration with them.
There are some modded bug races on the discord if you're into those.
 

mrttao

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The Servitute enchantment prevents the person from breaking the seal of sealed equipment (which most characters do not even have the ability to do) and also from self transforming. It is implied it should be paired up with enslaving and sealing enchantment.

But do slaves with a sealing enslaving collar actually remove their own slave collar and escape if you fail to include servitude enchantment?
 
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Tattletale21

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So, the servitute enchantment prevents the person from breaking the seal of sealed equipment (which most characters do not even have the ability to do) and also from self transforming.
Do slaves actually remove their own slave collar and escape if you fail to include that enchantment?
i think it was something Inno was going to add but, much like the rest of this game's interesting features, it got ignored for more sex positions.

story of this game's life, tbh.
 
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NoStepOnSnek

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The Servitute enchantment prevents the person from breaking the seal of sealed equipment (which most characters do not even have the ability to do) and also from self transforming. It is implied it should be paired up with enslaving and sealing enchantment.

But do slaves with a sealing enslaving collar actually remove their own slave collar and escape if you fail to include servitude enchantment?
'Servitude' mostly exists so Amber's and Natalya's collars aren't completely trivial to break if you engage with that content. Slaves can technically be completely naked with no risk of escape.
 
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mrttao

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'Servitude' mostly exists so Amber's and Natalya's collars aren't completely trivial to break if you engage with that content. Slaves can technically be completely naked with no risk of escape.
thank you. this certainly simplifies the process of me making custom slave collars
 

randomname2243

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so i just scrolled through every single 'patch update' Inno's released since the game started being developed, tallied it up with the current state of the game and...wow. just wow. like holy fucking shit wow. i genuinely can't tell if she's shit at time management and is trying to do too many things at once, or just doesn't care and throws shit at the wall hoping it sticks. in four years this game has gone from 'wow this looks neat' to 'wow this looks neat with an extra hour of content'.

i doubt this will get read but here we go; Inno: either focus exclusively on story to push the game forward, or focus exclusively on the world itself with new content. even before i moved into the - very small - questline for Elis i realised Dominion and Submission were oddly empty after about two hours banging out quest after quest. there's very little to do in the starting city that also becomes the centerpoint for the entirety of this 'world' you've built, and people we talk to and establish basic rapports with are shunted to the side almost immediately after their quests are done. there's no reason for me to give a fuck for these people. slow the heck down and focus on one thing and one thing only, and in my opinion that one thing should be one of these two options:
- flesh out Dominion and Submission more. add more characters and quests, more items that can only be found in either D or S, maybe make characters we thought we were done with return with more quests or in a more permanent capacity. make whatever race the character decides to shift into actually matter with new dialogue choices or reactions form characters. maybe go back to the very beginning with character creation and make those silly little personality choices actually mean something. you picked a cynical character? make that character look at everything with an apathetic light. you picked a kind character? make that character have lines that reflect that. right now these 'personalities' don't mean anything beyond unique characters that are practically defined by them. for the main character to have a personality trait of one of these is completely inconsequential.
- flesh out the world itself. make access to the other cities out there possible and the ability to turn into the races we currently cannot viable. once this is done you could stabilise the game before continuing, the few cities' worth of content would be enough to keep people content with the current game while you hammer out the finer points at a pace you feel is necessary. once the world has been fleshed out more you can hammer out finer story details, more main and side quests to keep people amused while you plough through the story. give people a reason to explore Elis beyond it being a place to have high-level random encounters and an 'A to B' to the cities. make people want to roam around, discover things on their own. maybe focus exclusively on the Youko content, adding them in and the ability to transform into one.

literally just pick one thing and see it through, instead of adding this strange mish-mash of things and spreading yourself thin. work on one thing that finished conclusively, then allow that thing to take you to the next thing, and so on and so forth.

but then again this has been happening for four years, so doubt anything's going to change if this is ever actually read.
In other words; what this game lacks is player agency and an alive(or real)world that recognizes, comments and interacts with the player depending on their choices and appearance. Without player agency, you're just an individual, the hero to save the world, the hero without personality, without faults or real character development. Like the whole world is centred around the protagonist and not the protagonist being inside a (believable) world.
Just an observation; most games here lack player agency or it is me? Maybe l set the bar too high but l feel that player agency in games where you (allowed to)make choices should be always present and not surface-level.
And that's only the story department, the gameplay 'player agency' department is a different topic but closely related.
 
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tehlemon

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In other words; what this game lacks is player agency and an alive(or real)world that recognizes, comments and interacts with the player depending on their choices and appearance. Without player agency, you're just an individual, the hero to save the world, the hero without personality, without faults or real character development. Like the whole world is centred around the protagonist and not the protagonist being inside a (believable) world.
Just an observation; most games here lack player agency or it is me? Maybe l set the bar too high but l feel that player agency in games where you (allowed to)make choices should be always present and not surface-level.
And that's only the story department, the gameplay 'player agency' department is a different topic but closely related.
I definitely agree with you. Meaningful player agency has been a huge problem with this game forever. But everything else has also been a huge problem, so I doubt it'll change anytime soon.
 

Tattletale21

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I definitely agree with you. Meaningful player agency has been a huge problem with this game forever. But everything else has also been a huge problem, so I doubt it'll change anytime soon.
yeah, that's just an unfortunate truth at this point. player agency was a thing i expected to eventually have in this game, but all i got was the emotional equivalent of Mass Effect 3's 'pick your favourite colour' ending.
 
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