Dude hope that's not the case, was hyped for that, but guess one way to find out easy is during next update (whenever the hell it arrives) check if Demonstone still has that "works on feral" tag, if it doesn't then i'll take it as the indirect "there's no feral content coming" announcement.
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From what I dimly remember of long-ago Inno statements, the answer goes something like: publicly setting deadlines, realistic or not, is some sort of self-motivation prop, which is why Inno clings to still doing it even though it just makes half the playerbase super angry all the time.
However, it seems to have completely stopped working or even become actively counterproductive, possibly because of half the playerbase being super angry all the time. Despite this, Inno will not or cannot let go and stop doing it and keep their personal deadlines private, because that would negate the benefits of public deadlines (that are no longer working anyway).
I'm not somebody who bothers getting super angry about porn games, hell I still play Cloud Meadow a couple times a year, it's cute so whatever. But LT's situation does often seem particularly dysfunctional now, and it's kind of saddening compared to when I first discovered the game and people were excited about it and it came across as a more customizable CoC.
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Degrees of Lewdity is probably the closest. You can alter the gender of every unique. Some have differing personalities depending on how you interact with them, but I think that's true of some characters in this game too(Helena becomes submissive or dominant depending on how you do her romance for example).
Race changes wouldn't make sense for a lot of things.(No dogmorphs playing the role of harpy queen for example) But I'd say there's pretty much no reason for most uniques currently to have set genders either. The Harpies are really the only ones I can think of based on how their society is setup. Does it matter if Roxy is male or female given her personality is basically "I want an oral sex slave"? What really changes if the slime queen is a slime king? Or if Brax started as a woman?
Also, fetish(The part thats actually editable in this game) != personality(The part that isn't). Though a selection of characters in game are currently "I am x fetish" instead of an actual personality(roxy/vicky/slime queen), that part's entirely on the writer. A fetish can have an influence someone's personality but it doesn't need to either; there's an entire trope about domineering people secretly being submissive in bed for example.
With all that said, this definitely isn't something to be changed now. Inno already has trouble releasing something promised for a year now as being the "next update".
To join into the discussion on changing NPCs and having those changes stick, here's the one thing I'll say...
No matter which option you choose as a dev, having them stick or not, if you don't suck at your job you're going to include some in-game explanation for WHY the outcome is what it is.
That's all that you have to do to make either option work. Scarlet is the best example of this (as a complete failure, not a success). You get given her as a slave, and you can do whatever you want with her. But then you give her back, and all the changes are undone without any explanation or comment. And then it immediately asks you if you want to re-do some of the changes you may have made? Like, WTF. That's an incredibly awful design.
And the set up is so incredibly easy, all they had to do was having a passing comment about how Scarlet's sister asked for the modifications to be undone. Boom; narrative reason why the NPC changes don't stick.
But this all comes down to player agency, which is a very core concept when designing RPGs. And a concept that LT has completely abandoned, in my opinion, just look at the horrible writing behind Nyan's romance quest. You could really expand on the Scarlet example as well, and create all sorts of ways to acknowledge the player's past choices. If the player made Scarlet female during her enslavement, instead of immediately asking the player if Helena should make Scarlet female (again, without ever acknowledging your previous choices...), have Helena ask if the player would like to keep Scarlet female, or change her back into a male.
If your games encounter/scene system doesn't suck, that should be a trivial thing to add with maybe 10 minutes worth of writing behind it, but it would go a long ways toward improving player agency and immersion.
But to loop back to the point; it doesn't matter whether changes to NPCs stick, what matters is that you acknowledge the players actions and give a narrative reason for the outcome. LT is shit at that.
Don't worry, if the game even exists, in two years we'll all be wondering when we're going to be getting the 3rd city, so we'll be too distracted to loop back around to feral content.
That's assuming *way too* emotional investment than most of us are willing to give it. There's lots of us who will talk shit and dump on the stupidity of it all, but that doesn't make us angry. This isn't something personal to me, LT is a product that Inno is trying to sell, it's not something I've hooked to my self worth or anything lol
And I can absolutely laugh at a trainwreck of a project without caring nearly enough to be angry lol
This is entertainment. My entertainment doesn't make me angry. If it did, I'd find something else to bother with.
Everyone online always acts like anyone saying anything negative or calling out something stupid is somehow mad or angry. They're probably not.
No matter which option you choose as a dev, having them stick or not, if you don't suck at your job you're going to include some in-game explanation for WHY the outcome is what it is.
That's all that you have to do to make either option work. Scarlet is the best example of this (as a complete failure, not a success). You get given her as a slave, and you can do whatever you want with her. But then you give her back, and all the changes are undone without any explanation or comment. And then it immediately asks you if you want to re-do some of the changes you may have made? Like, WTF. That's an incredibly awful design.
And the set up is so incredibly easy, all they had to do was having a passing comment about how Scarlet's sister asked for the modifications to be undone. Boom; narrative reason why the NPC changes don't stick.
But this all comes down to player agency, which is a very core concept when designing RPGs. And a concept that LT has completely abandoned, in my opinion, just look at the horrible writing behind Nyan's romance quest. You could really expand on the Scarlet example as well, and create all sorts of ways to acknowledge the player's past choices. If the player made Scarlet female during her enslavement, instead of immediately asking the player if Helena should make Scarlet female (again, without ever acknowledging your previous choices...), have Helena ask if the player would like to keep Scarlet female, or change her back into a male.
If your games encounter/scene system doesn't suck, that should be a trivial thing to add with maybe 10 minutes worth of writing behind it, but it would go a long ways toward improving player agency and immersion.
But to loop back to the point; it doesn't matter whether changes to NPCs stick, what matters is that you acknowledge the players actions and give a narrative reason for the outcome. LT is shit at that.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that feral content has been cancelled entirely. That would be silly, there's a much easier solution. What I'm saying is that, instead of cancelling it, we'll just ignore it for a year or two.
Don't worry, if the game even exists, in two years we'll all be wondering when we're going to be getting the 3rd city, so we'll be too distracted to loop back around to feral content.
Just to be clear here, outside of maybe one specific person, most of us here are not angry.
That's assuming *way too* emotional investment than most of us are willing to give it. There's lots of us who will talk shit and dump on the stupidity of it all, but that doesn't make us angry. This isn't something personal to me, LT is a product that Inno is trying to sell, it's not something I've hooked to my self worth or anything lol
And I can absolutely laugh at a trainwreck of a project without caring nearly enough to be angry lol
This is entertainment. My entertainment doesn't make me angry. If it did, I'd find something else to bother with.
Everyone online always acts like anyone saying anything negative or calling out something stupid is somehow mad or angry. They're probably not.
I've only been here since January. When I say "the playerbase" I mean the entire thing, including the now-gone blog comments and the discord and various other forums that have come up on Google when I was trying to look up how to do this or that in LT. People on F95 may be beacons of calm rationality (I've seen the Cloud Meadow thread and some of the stuff from several people here that later got deleted, though, so I'm not convinced) but plenty of LT players out there publicly haven't been. Over the course of years, even.
There's not really a need to declare "but I'm not mad!" if you know the post wasn't about you, you know? Especially when I'm not even sitting here calling people out, but pointing out that Inno's methods for self-motivation are basically just self-destruction at this point and no one, not even Inno, seems to be happy as a result of them.
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From what I can tell, ferals and taur share the triple unarmed damage mechanic, so they'll be similar, though I imagine this could be subject to change. As of now, ferals are just kind of worse than taurs since ferals can't equip clothes, which means you lose out on natural stats from gear, though I imagine this isn't especially impactful.
You can get some spicy damage, though; this is with 100 physique and no soldier buff as a feral wolf.
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Honestly, I'm not surprised. The internet is basically the cesspool of unbridled human emotions; the anonymity provides us safe ground to do and say whatever we please, with little consequence, and that's why things tend to get out of hand. Personally, I've got enough shit in my life as is and there's not a whole lot I can do to improve the situation; having a reason and place to vent my frustrations, even if it's about/towards something completely unrelated, feels almost cathartic.
Sometimes, it's less about the object of our ire and more about unwinding our accumulated feelings. Sometimes it's the culmination of bad things that makes us lose it. I look at people who get mad at things like these the same way I look at those who get angry over sports' games. Those looking for an escapism are capable of investing a lot of emotion into seemingly "unimportant" stuff. Like videogames. LT is a rather unique game that started off with some potential and has devolved into a train wreck. The more knowledgeable and skeptical among us have reasons to believe this game will never be fished at this rate. Ofc someone is going to get mad. Just like they would if their favorite team lost.
Honestly, I'm not surprised. The internet is basically the cesspool of unbridled human emotions; the anonymity provides us safe ground to do and say whatever we please, with little consequence, and that's why things tend to get out of hand. Personally, I've got enough shit in my life as is and there's not a whole lot I can do to improve the situation; having a reason and place to vent my frustrations, even if it's about/towards something completely unrelated, feels almost cathartic.
Sometimes, it's less about the object of our ire and more about unwinding our accumulated feelings. Sometimes it's the culmination of bad things that makes us lose it. I look at people who get mad at things like these the same way I look at those who get angry over sports' games. Those looking for an escapism are capable of investing a lot of emotion into seemingly "unimportant" stuff. Like videogames. LT is a rather unique game that started off with some potential and has devolved into a train wreck. The more knowledgeable and skeptical among us have reasons to believe this game will never be fished at this rate. Ofc someone is going to get mad. Just like they would if their favorite team lost.
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I really didn't mean for my offhand mention of the effects Inno's dysfunctional strategies have had on themself and the mood of the playerbase to be taken as a statement of personal judgement on individual players.
I think people are fixating a bit on the word "angry" rather than the overall focus of the post.
I think people are fixating a bit on the word "angry" rather than the overall focus of the post.
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People think they can say anything hiding behind anonymity. I try to keep to what I might say in public (excluding anything to do with porn).
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I did start a debate on this thread about American English and European English. That was a weird day.
I've already expressed myself several times on Inno's wrong doings (including her deadlines, the reason why they aren't working, etc) so that's why I chose to focus on the "angry" part. Plus, I'm bored and wanted to talk about something.
I mean, it's not like we have a whole lot to discuss about the game at this point... not until another release.
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Nice, there's yet another five-star review posted by some starry-eyes young coomer who certainly hasn't played for very long. How long until LT becomes another Cloud Meadow?
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Okay... Do I need to look up Cloud Meadowy? You all keep mentioning it, and I've never heard of it lol
This is mostly just a pet peeve of mine. Blame reddit. Anytime you call someone out for stupid trolling or being dumb as hell you get that "hurr durr I made you mad" shit.
That's fair, but there's been plenty of people saying that we're all mad, or being irrational, or taking stuff too seriously directed at this thread, or the people on the blog before we all moved here. Not really directed at me specifically, but all of us as a whole.
This is mostly just a pet peeve of mine. Blame reddit. Anytime you call someone out for stupid trolling or being dumb as hell you get that "hurr durr I made you mad" shit.
Yes, sorry. Like I said, it's a pet peeve of mine lol
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Sorry, my stupid blind ass pressed the Y key for some reason.
Barebones, no progress in years, and a 2-star rating because of that. Some progress apparently has been made recently, though.
Aside from old dev drama it seemed to be about equal parts "the updates are slow" (very fair criticism, it's not as dysfunctional as LT is about updates and deadlines though so maybe I'm desensitized) and "the porn game has gameplay elements other than pure porn and some people aren't here for that" (different tastes for everyone, I don't mind this part).
It's basically kind of a furry porn Stardew Valley, except a good way from being as polished or complete. I think it's okay. But yeah there is a lot of drama about it.
EDIT: Wait I'm stupid, was that just a typo joke? If so disregard me, I'm a little low on sleep.
My bad, then.
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Checked it out quickly. In development for 5 years, with near 20 thousands monthly on patreon. Yet, they only released 0.1.2.1... ugh. How the fuck...?
I know this is off topic but... a little context. Cloud Meadow is basically the "sucessor" of Breeding Season. IIRC, the artist took off and took their art with them, which led to the destruction of Breeding Season. He/she then decided to make their own project called Cloud Meadow; same type of game, same art style. At the time, Breeding Season was popular AND a cash cow so maybe they were hoping to ride on some of that themselves? *shrugs*
Last time I played it (years ago) it was broken AF, felt very bare bones, and development was moving at a snails' pace. Looks like it hasn't changed all that much.
EDIT: Damn you ninjas! Too fast for my fingers, lol. (Either that or I missed a new page of posts...)
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No, it's "Crit on third usage", but on things that you can't use three times in one turn because they cost 2 AP per use.
Like your All-out-attack, or whatever it's called.
Also, is there a point to blocking? From what I can see, it blocks like 7hp damage, but even a basic melee attack deals around double that.
If you actually spec into melee then a melee attack can do 20-damage per turn easily.
What stat governs the block action, or is it just a waste of a turn?
Same for resist, I guess.
Daaaaamn nice damage done! truly cannot wait (which is a special curse with this game lol) to try out some Feral Builds of my own, i'm guessing they'll be centered around collars or maybe tattoos getting the most of the enchantments.